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Two Cheers for a Carbon Tax
« on: February 21, 2017, 03:14:05 pm »
By all means, let's have a carbon tax. It's the best way to deal with global climate change. It would require Republicans and Democrats to compromise -- a good thing -- and would provide revenues for a government that desperately needs more revenue. Fine. But let's not pretend that a carbon tax is a panacea for either climate change or too much debt.

With most Republicans -- and some Democrats -- hostile to any tax increase, a carbon tax remains a long shot. Still, the odds have shortened, because some respected Republican elders recently endorsed it. These include George Shultz, James Baker and Henry Paulson. All were treasury secretary and/or secretary of state in administrations from Richard Nixon to George W. Bush.

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"It is inherently difficult to convince people to endure costs now for benefits that accrue to others 30 years hence," writes Ted Halstead, head of the Climate Leadership Council, sponsor of the carbon-tax plan. "Even then, such 'benefits' will manifest in the form of the situation getting less worse, rather than an outright improvement."

To overcome this objection, the Republican plan would rebate all the money raised by the carbon tax. There would be a flat quarterly "carbon dividend" -- the poor would get the same as the rich -- starting at about $2,000 annually for a family of four. As the tax rose, so would the "dividend." The politics of a carbon tax would change, argues Halstead, because most Americans would receive "benefits in the here and now."

What's not to like? We can fight global warming and favor the middle class and poor. Actually, it's not so simple.

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/02/20/two_cheers_for_a_carbon_tax_133126.html
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Re: Two Cheers for a Carbon Tax
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2017, 03:29:08 pm »
Taxation = benefit? Nope. There would be no benefits of this...

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Re: Two Cheers for a Carbon Tax
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2017, 04:20:37 pm »
Would this tax be applied around the globe?
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Re: Two Cheers for a Carbon Tax
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2017, 04:25:53 pm »
Hip Huzzah! NOT!

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Re: Two Cheers for a Carbon Tax
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2017, 04:42:14 pm »
-- and would provide revenues for a government that desperately needs more revenue.

Which government is that?  The US federal gov't gets plenty of revenue...actually, it gets way too much revenue already!

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Re: Two Cheers for a Carbon Tax
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2017, 05:37:16 pm »
no no no no no no

the "Republican Plan" sounds even worse, it creates a whole new entitlement

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Re: Two Cheers for a Carbon Tax
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2017, 07:09:07 am »
What part of 'Taxed Enough Already' do you not get?
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Re: Two Cheers for a Carbon Tax
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2017, 07:20:44 am »
In related news....

A Depression? Hardly

By Robert J. Samuelson
Wednesday, July 23, 2008


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/22/AR2008072202115.html

But on the whole, the banking system seems fairly strong. Although profits in the first quarter of 2008 were down 46 percent from 2007, they totaled $19 billion even after $37 billion set aside for loan loss reserves. Overall corporate profits are still running at a near-record annual rate of $1.5 trillion.

And then this happened just a couple months later....

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2008/dec/28/markets-credit-crunch-banking-2008
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Re: Two Cheers for a Carbon Tax
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2017, 07:33:43 am »
I'm pretty sure Baker and Shultz are both dead already.  Fake news!
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Re: Two Cheers for a Carbon Tax
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2017, 01:34:53 pm »
From the article...
"It is inherently difficult to convince people to endure costs now for benefits that accrue to others 30 years hence,"

And how is that measured? Climate change is too dynamic and a natural part of Earth for them to be able to show if the tax "worked" or not. That's why Statists love the Anthropogenic Climate Change cause. They will never be wrong regardless what happens to the climate and demand more and  more of people's earnings for something they never will or can really repair
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Re: Two Cheers for a Carbon Tax
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2017, 01:38:36 pm »
In related news....

A Depression? Hardly

By Robert J. Samuelson
Wednesday, July 23, 2008


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/22/AR2008072202115.html

But on the whole, the banking system seems fairly strong. Although profits in the first quarter of 2008 were down 46 percent from 2007, they totaled $19 billion even after $37 billion set aside for loan loss reserves. Overall corporate profits are still running at a near-record annual rate of $1.5 trillion.


And then this happened just a couple months later....

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2008/dec/28/markets-credit-crunch-banking-2008

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Re: Two Cheers for a Carbon Tax
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2017, 02:30:47 pm »
Bob Samuelson can f*** right off.