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15:00 into the video is the best part.  Calls for Sharia law.

While the words "last night" may have been a verbal blunder by Trump.... the gist of what he was alluding to re: what is going on in Sweden on any given night....was accurate. 

That the real news isn't being reported due to fears of being charged with a "hate crime" isn't exactly helping the truth get out about what a disaster Sweden is dealing with now.  Those that are doing their usual nit-picking BS should perhaps take a step back and weigh the consequences of their criticism, should it ever become effective.  And while they are at it.... go stand beside the leftist Democrats.  Because that is, essentially, where they belong with their lame critique of every single word out of Trump's mouth.  Just sayin.....(as usual)....

The disaster in Sweden and other European nations is ongoing... and anyone with even half a remaining working brain cell damned well knows it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWSMURYM7bA
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I don't see much good except trump losing his credibility.


Trump's opposition has even less credibility.  That's why Trump keeps winning.

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Trump will move less people than bush imo.

IMHO your hatred for Trump has overcome your good sense!
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Trump's opposition has even less credibility.  That's why Trump keeps winning.


Except on the travel ban and Michael Flynn.

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I don't see much good except trump losing his credibility. His supporters will lap it up though.

Well....I'm not one of his supporters, so I can't speak to the lapping up allegation.  What I DO know is.... that the gist of his comments are spot-on about Sweden re: their immigration disaster.  He's making the case to prop up his own immigration ban and desired regulations.  I get that.  I don't call that lying or deception.  I call it making a case for his agenda.

The problem with credibility ..... is that it is subjective....and as such, it is always highly over-rated on the side of the opposition.  Witness the past eight years of zip, zilch and nada credibility by Obama and the Democrats.... yet their opposition (that would be us) had no effective means to use that lack of credibility against them.   At least Trump is correct about the gist of the subject matter.
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Scott Adams explains.  The cognitive dissonance is so strong, the #AlwaysNeverTrumpers will eye wash rampant terrorism away.  Pathetic. 

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153080448451/the-cognitive-dissonance-cluster-bomb

There are two ways for an anti-Trumper to interpret that reality. One option is to accept that if half the public doesn’t see Trump as a dangerous monster, perhaps he isn’t. But that would conflict with a person’s self-image as being smart and well-informed in the first place. When you violate a person’s self-image, it triggers cognitive dissonance to explain-away the discrepancy.

So how do you explain-away Trump’s election if you think you are smart and you think you are well-informed and you think Trump is OBVIOUSLY a monster?

You solve for that incongruity by hallucinating – literally – that Trump supporters KNOW Trump is a monster and they PREFER the monster. In this hallucination, the KKK is not a nutty fringe group but rather a symbol of how all Trump supporters must feel. (They don’t. Not even close.)

In a rational world it would be obvious that Trump supporters include lots of brilliant and well-informed people. That fact – as obvious as it would seem – is invisible to the folks who can’t even imagine a world in which their powers of perception could be so wrong. To reconcile their world, they have to imagine all Trump supporters as defective in some moral or cognitive way, or both.

wow that's fairly pathetic. The level of dedication to ignoring the central issues and carping about peripheral minutiae is truly appalling. Next time there is a muzz terrorist attack and the White House isn't up to the second on the death toll, the anti-Trumpster brigade will be braying and blathering about how they are "lying" and "misleading the public". Amazing lack of self-examination in this type of carping and petty sniping. Give it a REST.

Nobody really cares that you hate Trump and as far as I can tell, nobody here who voted for him really cares that others didn't. You don't have to eternally fight to prove that he is worse than Hitler so that your fragile egos are not found guilty of error by being wrong about his ability to be elected. It's part of human nature to state desires as beliefs of likelihood.

The fanaticism is getting weirder and weirder.
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A few months ago...

in Malmö....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35cyZZCf_Dk
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They were chanting USA! USA! USA!

JK

A few months ago...

in Malmö....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35cyZZCf_Dk
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They were chanting USA! USA! USA!

JK

After watching the flood of those immigrants.... and it just kept coming and coming and coming...

I had to wonder how many of them were on Sweden's rather generous welfare system.  And how many it would take to break and bankrupt that system.  And whether breaking/bankrupting the USA was next in their plan.   Hopefully, that won't happen now, under Trump.  It would have been a given under Hillary and the Democrats, however.  Whew!
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The thousands of women forced to wear Burqas in Sweden is very disturbing.

Wake up !!!


A few months ago...

in Malmö....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35cyZZCf_Dk
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After watching the flood of those immigrants.... and it just kept coming and coming and coming...

I had to wonder how many of them were on Sweden's rather generous welfare system.  And how many it would take to break and bankrupt that system.  And whether breaking/bankrupting the USA was next in their plan.   Hopefully, that won't happen now, under Trump.  It would have been a given under Hillary and the Democrats, however.  Whew!

Hillary would never allow or advocate wearing burkas to appease....



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Except on the travel ban and Michael Flynn.

Never said Trump wouldn't make some rookie mistakes.  Every President does.

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While the words "last night" may have been a verbal blunder by Trump.... the gist of what he was alluding to re: what is going on in Sweden on any given night....was accurate. 

It wasn't a "blunder."  Had he limited his statement to the truth -- that immigrants in Sweden are committing crimes at a disproportionate rate -- there would be no issue.

When he instead turns crime into a terrorist incident as a means of justifying his own policies, it becomes propaganda.

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Sweden had no overseas colonies of consequence, unlike the UK, Holland, France, Germany, Italy etc.

So there is not that type of connection, which accounts for some immigration into Europe post WWII.

Germany had workers shortages in the 50s-60s, and began a "guest worker" program, and some were from muslim locations. Britain has India, Pakistan, Nigeria to account for some of their "Asians."
France has their north African connection through colonies, as does Italy.

Sweden seems to be a case of "Rich Nation White Guilt." It can't be rational to think the refugees will support the natives under Sweden's social benefits system, because as a group they are unemployed and uneducated.

Sadly as a descendant of a Swedish grandfather , I think they may be the most insane, of all of Europe.

But rounds of elections all across Europe will show rising anger and desire for change, to this situation.

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Not propaganda at all.  An accurate portray of what is going on.

It wasn't a "blunder."  Had he limited his statement to the truth -- that immigrants in Sweden are committing crimes at a disproportionate rate -- there would be no issue.

When he instead turns crime into a terrorist incident as a means of justifying his own policies, it becomes propaganda.
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When he instead turns crime into a terrorist incident as a means of justifying his own policies, it becomes propaganda.



He didn't say that.

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It wasn't a "blunder."  Had he limited his statement to the truth -- that immigrants in Sweden are committing crimes at a disproportionate rate -- there would be no issue.

When he instead turns crime into a terrorist incident as a means of justifying his own policies, it becomes propaganda.


Right. Trump could have said that about any American city. I'm sure something bad happened in any one.


This is why he needs to choose his words more carefully.

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Sweden sure didn't have any problems with giving Herr Hitler Iron Ore during the War.

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It wasn't a "blunder."  Had he limited his statement to the truth -- that immigrants in Sweden are committing crimes at a disproportionate rate -- there would be no issue.

When he instead turns crime into a terrorist incident as a means of justifying his own policies, it becomes propaganda.

Yeah..... I bet you wouldn't be saying that if it were your wife, sister or mother that just got gang-raped by some of those cretins.  It may not qualify as a terrorist event, per se, but it sure as hell creates terror among the women population in Sweden.
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And they speak Austrian in Austria, so it goes.

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Sweden sure didn't have any problems with giving Herr Hitler Iron Ore during the War.
And I think that may be a factor with their Sweden's national "white guilt" syndrome.

Maybe likewise for Germany. But that does NOT account for the insanity of UK, France, Italy and others to allow entry to an endless horde of people who do not want to integrate, will not or are unqualified to work, etc.

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And I think that may be a factor with their Sweden's national "white guilt" syndrome.

Maybe likewise for Germany. But that does NOT account for the insanity of UK, France, Italy and others to allow entry to an endless horde of people who do not want to integrate, will not or are unqualified to work, etc.

For Britain, it was the "cost of empire",  originally it was letting in people from the Caribbean colonies, who for the most part, were good workers.  But of course then the other former parts of the Empire started asking, "What about us?"

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Yeah..... I bet you wouldn't be saying that if it were your wife, sister or mother that just got gang-raped by some of those cretins.  It may not qualify as a terrorist event, per se, but it sure as hell creates terror among the women population in Sweden.

Breathing into a paper bag will help you stop hyperventilating.

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Maybe likewise for Germany. But that does NOT account for the insanity of UK, France, Italy and others to allow entry to an endless horde of people who do not want to integrate, will not or are unqualified to work, etc.


I think part of that has been necessary bowing to the EU. The EU should be cut back to a limited Common Market sort of thing.

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Breathing into a paper bag will help you stop hyperventilating.

Your usual snark aside....

that doesn't change a damned thing that I said.  Does it.
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