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Re: Donald camp's 'hotline to Moscow': Explosive phone records and intercepted calls show 'Trump aides and campaign staff repeatedly contacted Russian intelligence officers in the year before the election'... and candidate WAS briefed
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2017, 01:55:35 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on February 15, 2017, 01:50:57 pm
This comment made me think you believed it.

That's not particularly fair.
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« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2017, 02:02:24 pm »
It is amazing how many people simply do not care if Flynn, Trump and others are in thrall to Putin.
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Re: Donald camp's 'hotline to Moscow': Explosive phone records and intercepted calls show 'Trump aides and campaign staff repeatedly contacted Russian intelligence officers in the year before the election'... and candidate WAS briefed
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2017, 02:03:39 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on February 15, 2017, 01:52:12 pm
Sure, he was wrong to lie to the VP.  However, I'm not so sure that Pence didn't know that there was a storm brewing a long time ago.

He did not lie to the VP.
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« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2017, 02:09:51 pm »
remember that Trump was going to allow those expelled Russian spies back, probably give them offices in foggy bottom too
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Re: Donald camp's 'hotline to Moscow': Explosive phone records and intercepted calls show 'Trump aides and campaign staff repeatedly contacted Russian intelligence officers in the year before the election'... and candidate WAS briefed
« Reply #29 on: February 15, 2017, 02:28:36 pm »
Quote from: geronl on February 15, 2017, 02:02:24 pm
It is amazing how many people simply do not care if Flynn, Trump and others are in thrall to Putin.

Perhaps it's the Bammy administration that is/was cozy with Putin. Trump may be singing a different tune with him and the MSM/DEMS are now reporting what the left has been doing all along.
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Re: Donald camp's 'hotline to Moscow': Explosive phone records and intercepted calls show 'Trump aides and campaign staff repeatedly contacted Russian intelligence officers in the year before the election'... and candidate WAS briefed
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2017, 02:29:33 pm »
Quote from: geronl on February 15, 2017, 02:02:24 pm
It is amazing how many people simply do not care if Flynn, Trump and others are in thrall to Putin.

What is amazing is how many people are still stuck fighting the Cold War.
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Re: Donald camp's 'hotline to Moscow': Explosive phone records and intercepted calls show 'Trump aides and campaign staff repeatedly contacted Russian intelligence officers in the year before the election'... and candidate WAS briefed
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2017, 02:36:02 pm »
Quote from: geronl on February 15, 2017, 02:02:24 pm
It is amazing how many people simply do not care if Flynn, Trump and others are in thrall to Putin.

If it is determined thats so then I certainly would care.
 
On the other hand, would you care if there is no illegality here and this is just a strategy to virtually reverse outcome of the election?

Seems like you care only that your point of view is validated.
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« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2017, 02:48:54 pm »
There are so many fascinating and troubling things going on here that one hardly knows where to begin.

I am troubled, but not surprised that Russian intelligence agents were in communication with Trump's campaign officials, and that their intention was to influence the outcome of the election in favor of the candidate that their boss, Vladimir Putin, favored. Whether they had any noticeable impact in doing so remains highly doubtful.

I am troubled, but not surprised that American bureaucratic officials within the Deep State are now openly leaking sensitive intelligence information to friendly news sources and to Democrats in Congress in a clearly coordinated effort to discredit and damage the Trump Administration only three weeks into its life, promoting what amounts in effect to a soft coup d'étât. 

I am troubled, but not surprised that the New York Times and other left-leaning news media are breathlessly transmitting this information to the public without context or qualification, nor any consideration that it might be helpful also to the intelligence services of America's adversaries in compromising our capabilities.

I am troubled, but not surprised that Trump and his closest advisors cannot comprehend that Russia is a threat to American political, commercial and military interests, apparently because those advisors share the nationalist zeal of the Moscow-based oligarchy. In truth, they have a solemn duty to our citizens to actually put "American first" rather than just use it as a slogan to rally the rabble.   

A cluster**** of enormous magnitude is unfolding before our eyes.
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Re: Donald camp's 'hotline to Moscow': Explosive phone records and intercepted calls show 'Trump aides and campaign staff repeatedly contacted Russian intelligence officers in the year before the election'... and candidate WAS briefed
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2017, 02:55:10 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on February 15, 2017, 01:55:35 pm
That's not particularly fair.

People are free to believe or not believe whatever they want. I was just asking a question. There are a lot of folks that believe the NYT article, I don't, but believing it does not make you a bad person, just as not believing it does not make you a good person. So I don't see what fair has to do with anything I've said.
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Re: Donald camp's 'hotline to Moscow': Explosive phone records and intercepted calls show 'Trump aides and campaign staff repeatedly contacted Russian intelligence officers in the year before the election'... and candidate WAS briefed
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2017, 02:58:03 pm »
Quote from: geronl on February 15, 2017, 02:09:51 pm
remember that Trump was going to allow those expelled Russian spies back, probably give them offices in foggy bottom too

It is amazing how many people want to go to war with a nation that has thousands and thousands of nuclear weapons and the ability to put them any where they want.
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Re: Donald camp's 'hotline to Moscow': Explosive phone records and intercepted calls show 'Trump aides and campaign staff repeatedly contacted Russian intelligence officers in the year before the election'... and candidate WAS briefed
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2017, 03:02:05 pm »
Quote from: don-o on February 15, 2017, 12:54:52 pm
Who authorized the wiretaps on private citizens? Who gave the product of the taps to Sally Yates?

ANY communication that leaves our borders and communicates with a foreign power is automatically authorized for interception without a warrant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act
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Re: Donald camp's 'hotline to Moscow': Explosive phone records and intercepted calls show 'Trump aides and campaign staff repeatedly contacted Russian intelligence officers in the year before the election'... and candidate WAS briefed
« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2017, 03:27:50 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on February 15, 2017, 01:04:54 pm
I hope all this comes out!

Me too.  People need to open their eyes unless you want Russia running our country.  This is not a tinfoil hat subject.
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Re: Donald camp's 'hotline to Moscow': Explosive phone records and intercepted calls show 'Trump aides and campaign staff repeatedly contacted Russian intelligence officers in the year before the election'... and candidate WAS briefed
« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2017, 03:45:18 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on February 15, 2017, 02:58:03 pm
It is amazing how many people want to go to war with a nation that has thousands and thousands of nuclear weapons and the ability to put them any where they want.

I generally agree with Trump's desire to deal realistically with the Russians.  I could support a lifting of sanctions if we were to get something substantive in return.   But that doesn't excuse what Flynn did,  or obviate the need to find out just who ordered Flynn to discuss the lifting of sanctions before Trump was inaugurated.   We have one President at a time, folks.   

Ironically, Trump's behavior,  be it incompetency or mendacity,  is making it practically impossible for a reset in relations with Russia to take place.   The Dems are latching on to the opportunity they've been given to come on like neo-cold warriors, even as they're likely to oppose Trump's agenda to rebuild our arsenals.     
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« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2017, 03:51:26 pm »
Seems to me that what's happened here is that the Russians hacked Hillary's server and finding Barack's alias email accounts, etc., they were actively filling in the Trump Team on what they discovered.

It's no different than Obama meddling in Israel's election in an effort to beat Netanyahu.

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« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2017, 03:57:49 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on February 15, 2017, 01:46:17 pm
Bull this is an organized effort to over turn the election results, a coup de ta, someone is trying to do regime change right here in the USA.

Baloney.  If anything happens to Trump Pence becomes President.  This is all Trumps own doing.  I believe he knew about Flynn from the beginning.
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« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2017, 04:00:20 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on February 15, 2017, 03:51:26 pm
Seems to me that what's happened here is that the Russians hacked Hillary's server and finding Barack's alias email accounts, etc., they were actively filling in the Trump Team on what they discovered.

It's no different than Obama meddling in Israel's election in an effort to beat Netanyahu.

 :shrug:

It's beginning to look like Obama and Soros had a contingency plan in place should ANY republican manage to defeat Hillary. But what do I know about anything?
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« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2017, 04:01:49 pm »
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It's beginning to look like Obama and Soros had a contingency plan in place should ANY republican manage to defeat Hillary. But what do I know about anything?

A good fiction writer could have a blast with the many different takes.   :laugh:
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Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 15, 2017, 03:57:49 pm
Baloney.  If anything happens to Trump Pence becomes President.  This is all Trumps own doing.  I believe he knew about Flynn from the beginning.

I'm sorry to say that you appear to be WAY out of your depth here.
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A good fiction writer could have a blast with the many different takes.   :laugh:

Yeah! But mine is the best!   :laugh:
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« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2017, 04:07:25 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on February 15, 2017, 04:03:08 pm
I'm sorry to say that you appear to be WAY out of your depth here.

How so?  I have openly admitted to not being a politician.  Thank God!  But we do have a VP and if a President is impeached the VP becomes President.  Right?
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« Reply #45 on: February 15, 2017, 04:11:02 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 15, 2017, 04:07:25 pm
How so?  I have openly admitted to not being a politician.  Thank God!  But we do have a VP and if a President is impeached the VP becomes President.  Right?

Not trying to be disrespectful at all but it appears that you don't have much depth of knowledge as to how things really work in our government.
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« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2017, 04:12:38 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 15, 2017, 04:07:25 pm
How so?  I have openly admitted to not being a politician.  Thank God!  But we do have a VP and if a President is impeached the VP becomes President.  Right?

Impeaching is one thing.   Conviction is another.  See William Jefferson Clinton.   :laugh:
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« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2017, 04:18:10 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on February 15, 2017, 03:45:18 pm
I generally agree with Trump's desire to deal realistically with the Russians.  I could support a lifting of sanctions if we were to get something substantive in return.   But that doesn't excuse what Flynn did,  or obviate the need to find out just who ordered Flynn to discuss the lifting of sanctions before Trump was inaugurated.   We have one President at a time, folks.   

Ironically, Trump's behavior,  be it incompetency or mendacity,  is making it practically impossible for a reset in relations with Russia to take place.   The Dems are latching on to the opportunity they've been given to come on like neo-cold warriors, even as they're likely to oppose Trump's agenda to rebuild our arsenals.     

Flynn did nothing wrong, we have been over and over this, he did not lie to the VP. This whole thing is a political hit job.
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« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2017, 04:27:50 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 15, 2017, 04:07:25 pm
How so?  I have openly admitted to not being a politician.  Thank God!  But we do have a VP and if a President is impeached the VP becomes President.  Right?

@Chosen Daughter

We elected Trump because we liked the policies Trump said he would do.

Build the wall, secure the border, enforce existing immigration laws, repeal Obama Care, reform taxes, stop fighting stupid nation building wars, cut spending, cut regulations, renegotiate bad trade deals, etc.

Should the neocons, Rats and nevertrumpers succeed in taking out Trump all the things I listed above will go down the drain. Oh sure there will be something put on for show maybe a few more miles of border wall. But the reality will be that the Trump agenda is dead and it back to business as usual under President Pence.
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« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2017, 04:30:35 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on February 15, 2017, 04:12:38 pm
Impeaching is one thing.   Conviction is another.  See William Jefferson Clinton.   :laugh:

With Republicans like McCain conviction is likely. The House is much more conservative than the Senate so getting the house to vote to impeach is less likely then getting a conviction in the Senate.
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