A Marine explains which state would win if the US declared war on itself

[Cripplecreek]

Great idea, especially if you can ship it F.O.B.

We will carry out our threat.

We've already unleashed both Helen Thomas and Madonna on the world.

[jpsb]

And California has the same energy problems as New York along with virtually no heavy manufacturing. Texas has substantial oil field heavy manufacturing that could be converted to war use very quickly. California has no military colleges, while A&M also graduates more officers than the 4 service academies combined.

Doesn't Cali produce a lot of oil? Not as much as Texas but i thought Cali was a major oil producer.

[jpsb]

I think it would end up being typically rural vs urban with rural people aligned regardless of what state they're from. The cities have a few deepwater ports but would need to import virtually everything they need and landlocked cities would be under seige and collapse pretty quickly.

Rural flyover country has the resources, the ability to feed ourselves, manufacturing capability and unimpeded travel.

I agree

[jpsb]

We in Texas have plenty of guns and ammo, but we also have our own electric grid - we are not connected to the other states, and we have gasoline and natural gas plants to keep us moving.  Plants go here early spring/summer/fall - longer growing season than cold states so we will have food cold states won't have.

It is the underpinnings supporting the war that usually determines who wins.

And don't forget both the F-22 and F-35s are built in Texas.

[skeeter]

Doesn't Cali produce a lot of oil? Not as much as Texas but i thought Cali was a major oil producer.

2.3 billion barrels of proven reserves in California. California produces about 9% of national consumption.

[jpsb]

Yep. We do too. Plus big hydro-electric. Careful with that though - that sort of stuff is high value targets... They won't last long.

Incorrect there are 3 electric grids in the (continental) USA. East coast grid, west coast grid and Texas.


No continental state except Texas has total control of it's use of electric power. No one outside of Texas can cut off Texas electricity. We are the only (continental) state in the union in this position.

[truth_seeker]

2.3 billion barrels of proven reserves in California. California produces about 9% of national consumption.

California is 3rd largest producer of oil, after Texas and North Dakota. Pretty close to oil self-sufficiency.

Big net food exporter. Biggest harbor in the US combining Los Angeles-Long Beach.

Before the big split, somebody in flyover needs to download copies of all of the olde B&W cowboy movies and TV shows, before Hollywood ups the price.

[thackney]

Incorrect there are 3 electric grids in the (continental) USA. East coast grid, west coast grid and Texas.


No continental state except Texas has total control of it's use of electric power. No one outside of Texas can cut off Texas electricity. We are the only (continental) state in the union in this position.

That map is poorly drawn.  ERCOT (Electric Reliability Council of Texas) is not a match to the state lines.

[Joe Wooten]

California is 3rd largest producer of oil, after Texas and North Dakota. Pretty close to oil self-sufficiency.

Big net food exporter. Biggest harbor in the US combining Los Angeles-Long Beach.

Before the big split, somebody in flyover needs to download copies of all of the olde B&W cowboy movies and TV shows, before Hollywood ups the price.

Most of the oil production is in the red counties that would secede from California if they tried to jump ship. as also is most of the in-state water.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

That map is poorly drawn.  ERCOT (Electric Reliability Council of Texas) is not a match to the state lines.

Good. I thought maybe the pan handle was still using kerosene lamp oil. 

[Suppressed]

It is the underpinnings supporting the war that usually determines who wins.

So true.