If Liz Warren had been nominated, she would HAVE BEATEN TRUMP – Tucker Carlson

[mystery-ak]

If Liz Warren had been nominated, she would HAVE BEATEN TRUMP – Tucker Carlson
Feb. 9, 2017 9:03 am by SooperMexican •
 

Fox News’ host Tucker Carlson made an odd admission during his interview with Hugh Hewitt – he says that he thinks Liz Warren would have beaten Trump and be president now if she had won the nomination.

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[geronl]

Possible. Hard to imagine anyone running as bad a campaign as Hillary or Trump, it was a race to the bottom.

Then again, Lizzy is a bottom-dweller herself.

[cato potatoe]

She's a pseudointellectual and a kook.  The media are impressed with her, but they're in a bubble.

[Wingnut]

She's a pseudointellectual and a kook.  The media are impressed with her, but they're in a bubble.

They are fascinated with shiny objects.  Which baffles me because Princess Spreading Bull is as dull plastic knife cutting a tube steak.

[r9etb]

She's a pseudointellectual and a kook.  The media are impressed with her, but they're in a bubble.

You're right about Warren; and in a policy sense she'd be a candidate in the Hillary/Obama mould, but without the heavy baggage.  She'd have been presented in much the same way that Carter was presented back in 1976.

She'd have gotten the traditional Democrat vote, no problem, and the Sanders supporters as well.  "Nice, concerned Liz" would have played well against Trump's bombast -- the "anyone but Hillary (more properly, anybody but Liz)" vote wouldn't have the same urgency.

But as it was, the Dems nominated the worst candidate they could possibly have nominated.

[beandog]

All of these guys get too big for their britches.  He gets a show that is doing well and all of a sudden he knows everything.  He has know idea if this is true and stupid for his to say so.  Warren is know more likeable than the Beast was.

[goatprairie]

You're right about Warren; and in a policy sense she'd be a candidate in the Hillary/Obama mould, but without the heavy baggage.  She'd have been presented in much the same way that Carter was presented back in 1976.

l.  "Nice, concerned Liz" would have played well against Trump's bombast -- the "anyone but Hillary (more properly, anybody but Liz)" vote wouldn't have the same urgency.

But as it was, the Dems nominated the worst candidate they could possibly have nominated.

"She'd have gotten the traditional Democrat vote, no problem, and the Sanders supporters as well"


But she probably would have lost many indys and Dems who perceived her as being a nut or a loose cannon....which she was.
Hillary is thought of as a safe, sane, establishment candidate by many hardcore Dems. That is what many of them wanted. For the same reason Sanders ultimately fell in the primaries, Warren would have lost in the gen. election. 

[r9etb]

All of these guys get too big for their britches.  He gets a show that is doing well and all of a sudden he knows everything.  He has know idea if this is true and stupid for his to say so.  Warren is know more likeable than the Beast was.

It's a plausible alternative history, if you assume all other things remain equal: take away Hillary's baggage, and add a somewhat more attractive face and demeanor, then Warren probably gets the nod.

Of course, it's always risky to assume all other things will remain equal: Warren doesn't have the legions of sycophants that Clinton could command, and Trump could well have irritated her into politically damaging mistakes.

[r9etb]

"She'd have gotten the traditional Democrat vote, no problem, and the Sanders supporters as well"


But she probably would have lost many indys and Dems who perceived her as being a nut or a loose cannon.
Hillary is thought of as a safe, sane, establishment candidate by many hardcore Dems. That is what many of them wanted. For the same reason Sanders ultimately fell in the primaries, Warren would have lost in the gen. election.

You could be right.  All we really know for sure is that the Democrats actually nominated an epically bad candidate.  It's moderately interesting to speculate about candidates they might have run, who could have beaten Trump. 

Carlson's argument is essentially that Warren might have matched up a lot better than Hillary did.  Trump's negatives would be unchanged, and the motivation to vote for a "nicer" candidate against Trump would have largely mitigated the "loose cannon" concerns. 

Hillary was so bad, that it's difficult to say what independents would have done when given a choice between Trump and somebody who's perceived to be less bad.

[ConstitutionRose]

I don't know.  All my Democratic relatives think she is a fruitcake.  A female version of Bernie, essentially.

[Norm Lenhart]

'Coulda is great. I 'coulda' married Tawney Kitaen in 1987 if I had been a rich Rock Star with a lot of fame, a Brit accent and a Jaguar. But I wasn't. Likewise, Liz 'coulda' been living on a reservation if she had been born an Indian. Or elected president She wasn't either.

[Night Hides Not]

'Coulda is great. I 'coulda' married Tawney Kitaen in 1987 if I had been a rich Rock Star with a lot of fame, a Brit accent and a Jaguar. But I wasn't. Likewise, Liz 'coulda' been living on a reservation if she had been born an Indian. Or elected president She wasn't either.

You dodged a bullet, Norm:



And there are at least 4 men on Earth that got tired of putting up with Christie Brinkley...

[Frank Cannon]

Is Tucker talking about the same Fauxahontis Warren that is barely over 40% approval in her own state?

[Norm Lenhart]

You dodged a bullet, Norm:



And there are at least 4 men on Earth that got tired of putting up with Christie Brinkley...

Why do you think I said 1987? I didn't say anything about what happened after ;)

But yea, she went to hell in a handbasket for sure.

[Norm Lenhart]

Is Tucker talking about the same Fauxahontis Warren that is barely over 40% approval in her own state?

There are still people that think Romney was a good idea and pine for his misleadership to this day... and he left office with lower numbers than that IIRC. Magical thinking is not the sole domain of the looney left. The looney right has some perspective issues as well.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Coulda woulda shoulda..

[jmyrlefuller]

I don't know.  All my Democratic relatives think she is a fruitcake.  A female version of Bernie, essentially.

Well, remember, they love Bernie.

Clinton had only one thing backing her—the political machine vote. Most of her voters outside of that were motivated almost solely because they feared Donald Trump (and let's be honest, the converse was also true for a lot of Republicans and conservatives).

Bernie, however, has some things Warren lacks: integrity and likability. Bernie may be a left-wing kook, but he's consistently been a left-wing kook his entire adult life. He also has a bit more charm: he's able to aim his ire at more abstract things (the rich, the corporations) that don't offend his base.

Warren, on the other hand, is shrill—a female version of Harry Reid. She attacks people personally. She comes off as far more hateful (as opposed to Bernie's pie-in-the-sky optimism) and that is very off-putting. I truly think of all the candidates the Democrats  could have put up, Elizabeth Warren might very well have been the one who had even LESS of a chance of winning than Hillary. She stands for almost nothing but bitterness.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Same tired diatribe that Obama said "If I only could run for a third term, I would have beaten Trump".

Immaterial as it did not happen.

[libertybele]

We'll never know.  Either Wigwam didn't want to be president or she was intimated by Clinton and didn't run. Perhaps she'll run in 2020; regardless of her unpopularity among the DEMS they'll still vote for her.

As for Tucker ... I've tried watching his program a couple of times.  I find that he has a peculiar personality and haven't been able to make it through his entire program without turning the channel or shutting off the TV.

[Joe Wooten]

They are fascinated with shiny objects.  Which baffles me because Princess Spreading Bull is as dull plastic knife cutting a tube steak.

Trump would have eviscerated her almost as bad as he did Helliary.