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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #75 on: February 09, 2017, 03:43:57 am »
Quote from: Bigun on February 09, 2017, 03:39:57 am
Yep!  Right up to the second their boss tells them to stop!


or the could tell their boss to piss off because the law is on their side.


What you gonna do then big boy?
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #76 on: February 09, 2017, 03:45:17 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 09, 2017, 03:43:57 am

or the could tell their boss to piss off because the law is on their side.


What you gonna do then big boy?

But it isn't.
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #77 on: February 09, 2017, 03:46:12 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 09, 2017, 03:41:36 am

Bigun claimed the judiciary has no enforcement power which is clearly false. Period.


I'm right. You're wrong.

To be precise Bigun - that would be me - claimed that the founders granted zero enforcement powers to any court anywhere in the constitution!  Once again I dare you to prove me wrong!
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #78 on: February 09, 2017, 03:47:45 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 09, 2017, 03:43:57 am

or the could tell their boss to piss off because the law is on their side.


What you gonna do then big boy?

Fire them on the spot and have them arrested for starters!

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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #79 on: February 09, 2017, 03:47:59 am »
Quote from: Norm Lenhart on February 09, 2017, 03:45:17 am
But it isn't.


Judicial act beeyotch! Take it up with George Washington.
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #80 on: February 09, 2017, 03:48:26 am »
Quote from: Bigun on February 09, 2017, 03:47:45 am
Fire them on the spot and have them arrested for starters!


Who's going to arrest them?
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #81 on: February 09, 2017, 03:48:45 am »
Quote from: Bigun on February 09, 2017, 03:47:45 am
Fire them on the spot and have them arrested for starters!
And unlike the judiciary, you'd have the authority to do/enforce it.
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #82 on: February 09, 2017, 03:49:18 am »
Quote from: Norm Lenhart on February 09, 2017, 03:48:45 am
And unlike the judiciary, you'd have the authority to do/enforce it.


According to who?
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #83 on: February 09, 2017, 03:49:38 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 09, 2017, 03:47:59 am

Judicial act beeyotch! Take it up with George Washington.

United States Constitution. Take it up with reality.
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #84 on: February 09, 2017, 03:50:54 am »
Quote from: Norm Lenhart on February 09, 2017, 03:49:38 am
United States Constitution. Take it up with reality.


Judicial act says they report to the judicial branch.
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #85 on: February 09, 2017, 03:51:11 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 09, 2017, 03:48:26 am

Who's going to arrest them?

The ones who still value their jobs and have the power to do so!  No job no police power!
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #86 on: February 09, 2017, 03:51:17 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 09, 2017, 03:49:18 am

According to who?

According to the Constitution which vests enforcement in the executive, not the judiciary.
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #87 on: February 09, 2017, 03:52:45 am »
Quote from: Bigun on February 09, 2017, 03:51:11 am
The ones who still value their jobs and have the power to do so!  No job no police power!


They are under no obligation to follow an unconstitutional order. Doing so could get them in big trouble.
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #88 on: February 09, 2017, 03:53:36 am »
Quote from: Norm Lenhart on February 09, 2017, 03:51:17 am
According to the Constitution which vests enforcement in the executive, not the judiciary.


But the judicial act says they report to the judiciary.
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #89 on: February 09, 2017, 03:53:40 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 09, 2017, 03:52:45 am

They are under no obligation to follow an unconstitutional order. Doing so could get them in big trouble.

Who brings the charges?
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #90 on: February 09, 2017, 03:54:23 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 09, 2017, 03:53:36 am

But the judicial act says they report to the judiciary.

They can report to mickey mouse. The judiciary has no enforcement authority.
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #91 on: February 09, 2017, 03:54:59 am »
Quote from: Norm Lenhart on February 09, 2017, 03:53:40 am
Who brings the charges?


Courts bring charges.
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #92 on: February 09, 2017, 03:55:02 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 09, 2017, 03:53:36 am

But the judicial act says they report to the judiciary.

Do you realize that an act of congress cannot overrule the Constitution?
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #93 on: February 09, 2017, 03:55:40 am »
Quote from: Norm Lenhart on February 09, 2017, 03:54:23 am
They can report to mickey mouse. The judiciary has no enforcement authority.


The ag would be ordering them to break the law.
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #94 on: February 09, 2017, 03:57:01 am »
Quote from: Bigun on February 09, 2017, 03:55:02 am
Do you realize that an act of congress cannot overrule the Constitution?


So the judicial act is unconstitutional?


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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #95 on: February 09, 2017, 03:57:25 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 09, 2017, 03:55:40 am

The ag would be ordering them to break the law.

Which is the higher law? And act of Congress or the Constitution itself?
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #96 on: February 09, 2017, 03:58:18 am »
Quote from: Bigun on February 09, 2017, 03:57:25 am
Which is the higher law? And act of Congress or the Constitution itself?


 :shrug:  Are you saying the judicial act is unconstitutional?
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #97 on: February 09, 2017, 03:58:49 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 09, 2017, 03:57:01 am

So the judicial act is unconstitutional?


 :silly:

YOU are the one who is silly!  The Constitution itself outranks ANY act of Congress!
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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #98 on: February 09, 2017, 03:59:59 am »
Quote from: Bigun on February 09, 2017, 03:58:49 am
YOU are the one who is silly!  The Constitution itself outranks ANY act of Congress!


Answer my question, is the judicial act unconstitutional?
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Re: Trump's Message to the Courts: Even 'A Bad High School Student' Would Understand the Law in Question
« Reply #99 on: February 09, 2017, 04:00:57 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 09, 2017, 03:54:59 am

Courts bring charges.

You really don't see the box you just put yourself in do you.

The judiciary does not make law. Congres does. Trump broke no law EDIT so there is no case before them from which a contempt charge could stem. If a court brings a charge, it is acting as executive, which it has no authority to do. If a court tries to enforce that charge it cannot because authority is vested in the executive. A court cannot bring a contempt charge for a non existant case before it based on the enforcement of a law that it cannot write.

So how do you suppose that some random judge simply waves a wand, legislates
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