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Chuck Schumer: Gorsuch will need to get 60 votes in Senate
« on: February 07, 2017, 04:43:35 pm »
SOURCE: HOTAIR

URL: http://hotair.com/archives/2017/02/07/schumer-gorsuch-will-need-to-get-60-votes-in-senate/

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Readers will find no surprise, but also no sense of regret either from Chuck Schumer’s defense of minority prerogative in Politico today when it comes to Supreme Court nominations. Skipping entirely over the machinations he and Harry Reid employed to keep Senate Republicans in the minority from having a say in appellate court nominations, Schumer argues that his Democrats are the only bulwark standing between Donald Trump and an independent judiciary. For that altruistic reason, Neil Gorsuch will need to get at least 60 Senators to agree to proceed to a confirmation:

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Nominees to our nation’s highest court must demonstrate that they are mainstream and independent enough to earn the support of at least 60 senators from both parties. Both of President Obama’s nominees to the Supreme Court exceeded that level of support. The simple question we are asking is: Can President Trump’s nominee meet that same test? If the nominee fails to meet 60 votes, the answer isn’t to change the rules; it’s to change the nominee.

This is not unfair or obstructionist—this is the Senate doing its job by critically evaluating a nominee who will have immense impact on the lives of Americans. The most important factor in assessing a Supreme Court nominee in the time of the Trump administration is whether or not the potential justice will be an independent check on an executive who may act outside our nation’s laws and the Constitution. It remains to be seen if Judge Gorsuch is able to fulfill that important constitutional role.

What’s rather remarkable about this piece — it’s short and easy to read in full — is that it barely mentions Gorsuch himself, and makes no case that his confirmation is problematic. That makes some sense, given that Senate Democrats confirmed him to the appellate court by acclamation over a decade ago. That includes every current member of Senate Democratic leadership, including Schumer himself.

Furthermore, Schumer’s essay contains exactly zero acknowledgement of the fact that his party put the 60-vote threshold on the chopping block with its own exercise of the nuclear option in late 2013. Schumer complains that Trump wants “to rewrite the Senate rules” for Republicans and “demanded” that Mitch McConnell “deploy the so-called nuclear option,” without even a note to point out that he and Harry Reid created the precedent to do so. In fact, the whole piece reads as if it’s Trump that’s getting confirmed, without a mention at all that his own party’s bare-knuckled tactics and especially Harry Reid’s character assassinations from the well of the Senate had nothing to do with Trump’s political emergence or their own exile into the political wilderness.

It’s an amazing example of projection. For those who have children, the entire article can be summed up thusly: “Mom, he hit me back!”

Meanwhile, a Yale law professor who identifies with the Stephen Breyer/Elana Kagan wing of the Supreme Court offers advice to Schumer et al in today’s Wall Street Journal. If Gorsuch really does need 60 votes, you’d better find a way to make sure he gets them:

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Moderates could do a lot worse than Judge Neil Gorsuch—and we probably will if he isn’t confirmed. Donald Trump is clearly determined to nominate a judicial conservative to the Supreme Court. Elections have consequences, as Barack Obama once chided congressional Republicans. …

But among judicial conservatives, Judge Gorsuch is as good as it possibly gets. I have known him personally for more than a decade, since he was an attorney in the Justice Department. He is a brilliant mind, but more important he is a kind, sensitive and caring human being. Judge Gorsuch tries very hard to get the law right. He is not an ideologue, not the kind to always rule in favor of businesses or against the government. Instead, he follows the law as best as he can wherever it might lead. …

The sensible route for moderate Democrats is clear: They should cross the aisle and join Republicans to cut off a filibuster, allowing an up-or-down vote by a simple majority on Judge Gorsuch. That will prevent Republicans from invoking the “nuclear option” to change the Senate rules and abolish the filibuster for Supreme Court nominees. One way or another, Judge Gorsuch is going to be confirmed. The question is how much damage will be done to the country first.

Actually, the question is how much damage has already been done to the country by Senate Democrats, and whether they will ever own up to it. If McConnell changes the rules to allow for a simple majority to proceed to confirmation, he will only be following the precedent that Schumer, Reid, and every single Democrat in the Senate set first.

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Re: Chuck Schumer: Gorsuch will need to get 60 votes in Senate
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2017, 04:50:15 pm »
Schumer's argument is just so odd logically.  It assumes that the parties are equally willing to vote for candidates nominated by the other party's President.  But he and Senate Dem leadership have already refused even to meet with Gorsuch.

Anyway, though, this is good.  The filibuster should have died a long time ago, and this will be another nail in the coffin.

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Re: Chuck Schumer: Gorsuch will need to get 60 votes in Senate
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2017, 04:51:54 pm »
Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your perspective, I'm to the point of not giving two hoots what Chuckie Schumer says about anything!
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Re: Chuck Schumer: Gorsuch will need to get 60 votes in Senate
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2017, 05:08:00 pm »
His intransigence has made him irrelevant, which is ironic as hell if you stop and think about it.

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Re: Chuck Schumer: Gorsuch will need to get 60 votes in Senate
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2017, 05:17:50 pm »
His intransigence has made him irrelevant, which is ironic as hell if you stop and think about it.

Ah, yes, the Grand Mufti of Irrelevant Intransigence.

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Re: Chuck Schumer: Gorsuch will need to get 60 votes in Senate
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2017, 05:21:05 pm »
Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your perspective, I'm to the point of not giving two hoots what Chuckie Schumer says about anything!

I try to make a point of not listening to what he says as it only tends to annoy me.
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Re: Chuck Schumer: Gorsuch will need to get 60 votes in Senate
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2017, 05:25:02 pm »
If you don't already know about it....  do a search on Chuck Schumer, Indymac bank failure.

He should be behind bars right now.  Or at the very least....the hell OUT of politics.  But...

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Re: Chuck Schumer: Gorsuch will need to get 60 votes in Senate
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2017, 05:25:12 pm »
Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your perspective, I'm to the point of not giving two hoots what Chuckie Schumer says about anything!

I never looked at him as more than a circus clown. Fairly worthless individual.

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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2017, 05:38:31 pm »
The article about Gorsuch is correct, too.  He may not be reliably "conservative" on every issue, but he will absolutely interpret the law rather than make it up.  Of course, that generally leads to results favored by conservatives, so that's a positive.  But anyway, that's exactly the kind of guy who should be on the Court.  A true "balls and strikes" Justice.

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Re: Chuck Schumer: Gorsuch will need to get 60 votes in Senate
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2017, 06:06:38 pm »
SCOTUS Filibuster? Now He Owns It

By Wm. P. Fitzhenry  |  February 7, 2017, 10:00am  |  @wpatrickf


Politico published an opinion piece authored by Sen. Chuck Schumer, Democrat Minority Leader this morning. You have to hand it to the camera hungry New Yorker, evidently he has decided to double down in favor of the progressive left fringe. Earlier, it appeared he would give Democratic collegues such as Sen. Jeff Merkley D-Oregon permission to filibuster and even voice support, while at the same time allowing senators facing difficult 2018 elections the latitude to vote against the filibuster. It was this same consideration which drove many pundits and politicians to openly speculate there would be no need for the nuclear option. Until today, this did really look like standard senate theatre, staged with every actor hitting their mark.

Which is what makes the good senator’s article today news worthy. He is now definitively stating party policy:


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“These actions show a lack of respect for the separation of powers—and that’s why Senate Democrats will do everything we can to make sure that the next Supreme Court justice will be an independent check on an out-of-control executive.”

There should be no doubt where the Democratic Party sits now. Their leader has now announced the impending filibuster of SCOTUS nominee Neil Gorsuch. It fair to say he has the support of his party, which is undoubtably the reason he only used the word “filibuster” in reference to Republicans. Rather, he continues to advance the talking point centered about an imaginary 60 vote threshold being the “standard” for every SCOTUS nomination. Even the Washington Post decried his claim, awarding it Two Pinocchios.


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“Democrats are being slippery with their language. Sixty votes is not “a standard” for Supreme Court confirmations, as two of the current justices on the court did not meet that supposed standard.”

Even more amazing is how he further expands this justification:

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“Nominees to our nation’s highest court must demonstrate that they are mainstream and independent enough to earn the support of at least 60 senators from both parties. Both of President Obama’s nominees to the Supreme Court exceeded that level of support.”

Senator Schumer actually has the temerity to suggest Justices Kagan and Sotomeyor should be considered and actually are “mainstream” as validated by the votes of Republican senators.It doesn’t even take a Republican to comprehend how utterly deceptive this statement is. Conflating Republican votes for these two liberal Justices with their belief of them being “mainstream” is so ludicrous that it needs no defense. But, then he really sticks the knife in:


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“The simple question we are asking is: Can President Trump’s nominee meet that same test? If the nominee fails to meet 60 votes, the answer isn’t to change the rules; it’s to change the nominee.”

In other words, don’t do what we threatened or in reality actually promised we would do in the event we got back in power. No, we’d now rather you honored rich tradition which by the way you are to blame for because you voted for our nominees.

The ever smug senator finishes his opus with a condescending pat on the head to the majority party:


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“This is not unfair or obstructionist—this is the Senate doing its job by critically evaluating a nominee who will have immense impact on the lives of Americans.”

That’s rich.

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Re: Chuck Schumer: Gorsuch will need to get 60 votes in Senate
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2017, 06:11:10 pm »
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“These actions show a lack of respect for the separation of powers—and that’s why Senate Democrats will do everything we can to make sure that the next Supreme Court justice will be an independent check on an out-of-control executive.”
Get used to feeling disrespected, Chuckie.

And the job of a SCJ is not to check anybody.  It is to interpret the Constitution, which you so freely diss anyway.
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Re: Chuck Schumer: Gorsuch will need to get 60 votes in Senate
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2017, 07:29:38 pm »
The article about Gorsuch is correct, too.  He may not be reliably "conservative" on every issue, but he will absolutely interpret the law rather than make it up.  Of course, that generally leads to results favored by conservatives, so that's a positive.  But anyway, that's exactly the kind of guy who should be on the Court.  A true "balls and strikes" Justice.

Exactly.  I don't want a conservative judge or a liberal judge, I want one who applies the law as it's written, impartially and without reading his own opinions into it.
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Re: Chuck Schumer: Gorsuch will need to get 60 votes in Senate
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2017, 07:44:49 pm »
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Anyway, though, this is good.  The filibuster should have died a long time ago, and this will be another nail in the coffin.

Actually, I don't think this is good at all. It simply reflects the fact that the nation is becoming ungovernable. Having a Senate where it was possible to get 60 votes was not that difficult even 20 years ago. Today it's next to impossible on any issue...

This type of thinking will ultimately be used to eliminate the electoral college in my view :shrug:

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Re: Chuck Schumer: Gorsuch will need to get 60 votes in Senate
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2017, 07:54:40 pm »
Actually, I don't think this is good at all. It simply reflects the fact that the nation is becoming ungovernable. Having a Senate where it was possible to get 60 votes was not that difficult even 20 years ago. Today it's next to impossible on any issue...

This type of thinking will ultimately be used to eliminate the electoral college in my view :shrug:

At least the EC will require an amendment.

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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2017, 07:56:53 pm »
Actually, I don't think this is good at all. It simply reflects the fact that the nation is becoming ungovernable. Having a Senate where it was possible to get 60 votes was not that difficult even 20 years ago. Today it's next to impossible on any issue...

This type of thinking will ultimately be used to eliminate the electoral college in my view :shrug:


To me it represents that the US will start becoming exactly like countries in Europe and elsewhere. Generally speaking the parties that win there can basically pass any bill they want.

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« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2017, 08:00:00 pm »

To me it represents that the US will start becoming exactly like countries in Europe and elsewhere. Generally speaking the parties that win there can basically pass any bill they want.

Well, that's because they're parliamentary systems where you basically only have one branch of government, and an (effectively) unilateral one at that.  To pass laws here, you still need simultaneous control of three different political bodies.

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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2017, 08:01:40 pm »
Well, that's because they're parliamentary systems where you basically only have one branch of government, and an (effectively) unilateral one at that.  To pass laws here, you still need simultaneous control of three different political bodies.


Split tickets are becoming rarer here though, the party that wins the Presidency tends to win Congressional seats too.


We're becoming more and more like a Parliamentary system.

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Re: Chuck Schumer: Gorsuch will need to get 60 votes in Senate
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2017, 08:55:27 pm »
If you don't already know about it....  do a search on Chuck Schumer, Indymac bank failure.

He should be behind bars right now.  Or at the very least....the hell OUT of politics.  But...

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Re: Chuck Schumer: Gorsuch will need to get 60 votes in Senate
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2017, 10:41:13 pm »
Actually, I don't think this is good at all. It simply reflects the fact that the nation is becoming ungovernable. Having a Senate where it was possible to get 60 votes was not that difficult even 20 years ago. Today it's next to impossible on any issue...

This type of thinking will ultimately be used to eliminate the electoral college in my view :shrug:

And you can blame every damned bit of that on the 17th amendment!  If not for that the Senate would still be operating as our founders intended!
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Re: Chuck Schumer: Gorsuch will need to get 60 votes in Senate
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2017, 12:47:12 am »
And you can blame every damned bit of that on the 17th amendment!  If not for that the Senate would still be operating as our founders intended!

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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2017, 03:25:59 am »
And you can blame every damned bit of that on the 17th amendment!  If not for that the Senate would still be operating as our founders intended!

Representing the slow, seeming unstoppable progression of this country from a representative Republic to a simple majority democracy....the gears are in motion, today's politicians and their partisans will play the blame game instead of attempting to reverse the trend... :shrug: