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Ellison is an American, and his practice of his religion shouldn't be prejudged by what goes on in certain Muslim countries.  To conclude that Ellison, merely because he is an American Muslim, supports "murdering off homos" is, well, textbook bigotry.   That's what Tolliver engaged in, and why the DNC called him on it.

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That's no excuse for bigotry.   An American should be judged on his beliefs and actions, not the religion he practices.   I have no idea what Ellison's views are regarding homosexuals.  But I refuse to infer that he hates gays merely because he's Muslim (or Christian, for that matter).

It's not bigotry. It's being man enough to admit that their political war plan isn't a 'religion' and the adherents of that war plan place Sharia over America's Constitution. Go ahead and ask your Muslim friends which they will adhere to when the chips are down. Then come back with your answer and post what they told you.

Oh wait. Taqquya...I forget. The Koran COMMANDS them to lie to the infidel in the name of Allah.

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That's no excuse for bigotry.   An American should be judged on his beliefs and actions, not the religion he practices.   I have no idea what Ellison's views are regarding homosexuals.  But I refuse to infer that he hates gays merely because he's Muslim (or Christian, for that matter).


So we shouldn't automatically assume neo-Nazis would do anything bad?   

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No, it's not.  It's a component of the faith that he professes to believe in.  A faith that is, well...textbook bigotry.

Well, on the subject of homosexuality,  Christianity is also "textbook bigotry".  "Abomination" and all that.   But not all Christians, or Muslims, are bigoted against gays.  Some have absolutely no objection to civil rights for gays,  and respect their gay friends and neighbors.   That's certainly how I feel.  If homosexuality is an "abomination", then that's God's concern, not mine.   

You cannot infer that someone hates gays based on whether he is a person of faith.   
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That's no excuse for bigotry.   An American should be judged on his beliefs and actions, not the religion he practices.   I have no idea what Ellison's views are regarding homosexuals.  But I refuse to infer that he hates gays merely because he's Muslim (or Christian, for that matter).

Tolliver is asking the Dems to consider a POV. He has been liquidated for that. Hmmmm. Now what does that remind us of?




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You don't get out much in the real world do you?

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You don't get out much in the real world do you?

I judge people as individuals, not as members of groups.   The latter is identity politics, apparently now infesting the right as well as the left.   
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   I'd love to pipe in that I wouldn't care if democrats started throwing queers off of buildings, but that would probably get me in trouble, so I won't.
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I judge people as individuals, not as members of groups.   The latter is identity politics, apparently now infesting the right as well as the left.
Is it identity politics to refuse association with a NAMBLA member? Is it Bigotry to not have your male child stay with a nambla member unless you personally witnessed that man rape a child? Or is the mere association with a group with a set of beliefs just bigotry against pedophiles?

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Well, on the subject of homosexuality,  Christianity is also "textbook bigotry".  "Abomination" and all that.   But not all Christians, or Muslims, are bigoted against gays.  Some have absolutely no objection to civil rights for gays,  and respect their gay friends and neighbors.   That's certainly how I feel.  If homosexuality is an "abomination", then that's God's concern, not mine.   

You cannot infer that someone hates gays based on whether he is a person of faith.

Nonsense.  Christianity doesn't call for the execution of gays.  In islam, it's a tenet of the ideology.

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He's not qualified to serve because he's a Muslim. Sharia and the Constitution are mutually exclusive.

Especially since the Koran is supposed to trump everything to include our Constitution.
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Well, on the subject of homosexuality,  Christianity is also "textbook bigotry".  "Abomination" and all that.   But not all Christians, or Muslims, are bigoted against gays.  Some have absolutely no objection to civil rights for gays,  and respect their gay friends and neighbors.   That's certainly how I feel.  If homosexuality is an "abomination", then that's God's concern, not mine.   

You cannot infer that someone hates gays based on whether he is a person of faith.

Show me the last time a Christian bound and gagged a homosexual...tied them to a chair and tossed them off of a 10 story building to the sounds of a cheering crowd below.
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So we shouldn't automatically assume neo-Nazis would do anything bad?   



Illinois Nazi's.  I hate Illinois Nazi's.

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Especially since the Koran is supposed to trump everything to include our Constitution.

Eventually these libs will have the reality of Islam impact them personally. Whether a terrorist action or some law that gores their personal Ox to protect the poor innocent Muslim horde.

What gets me is how utterly stupid some libs can be. The very same people that scoff at  the phrase 'I have black friends" as possibly racist, or "I have gay friends" as possibly homophobic, will rise to the defense of Islam because they have Muslim friends and see no philosophical contradiction at all.

Lets not forget the founding document of Islam itself calls Jews pigs, demands Jizya of all non Muslims and total subjigation/conversion/fidelity to each and every word of the Koran.

Lets not forget of the thousands of 'public' imams that pop up leading hundreds of millions of muslims screaming for Jihad. Lets not forget that all muslims go into hiding from TV cameras when a terror act occurs and magically reappear to proclaim that they fear blowback.

It disgusts me to my core that any American will defend them when any idiot can spend 5 min looking to see the result of that 'religion' across the globe. that 'religion' is it's people.

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Eventually these libs will have the reality of Islam impact them personally. Whether a terrorist action or some law that gores their personal Ox to protect the poor innocent Muslim horde.

What gets me is how utterly stupid some libs can be. The very same people that scoff at  the phrase 'I have black friends" as possibly racist, or "I have gay friends" as possibly homophobic, will rise to the defense of Islam because they have Muslim friends and see no philosophical contradiction at all.

Lets not forget the founding document of Islam itself calls Jews pigs, demands Jizya of all non Muslims and total subjigation/conversion/fidelity to each and every word of the Koran.

Lets not forget of the thousands of 'public' imams that pop up leading hundreds of millions of muslims screaming for Jihad. Lets not forget that all muslims go into hiding from TV cameras when a terror act occurs and magically reappear to proclaim that they fear blowback.

It disgusts me to my core that any American will defend them when any idiot can spend 5 min looking to see the result of that 'religion' across the globe. that 'religion' is it's people.

Liberals believe that by kissing Allah's @ss it somehow makes them seem understanding and inclusive in the eyes of the radicals.

Plus there is the whole dynamic with Libs of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

What Libs don't realize is that all their fealty to Islam will do is ensure they go to the front of the line when the head chopping begins.
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What Libs don't realize is that all their fealty to Islam will do is ensure they go to the front of the line when the head chopping begins.

OK so maybe Islam has one good point.

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What's offensive about Tolliver's comment is that he assumed Ellison is not qualified to serve because of his religion, not because of Ellison's personal views or positions with respect to gay rights.   

Sorta like proclaiming that Kennedy wasn't qualified for President because he was Catholic and would take orders from the Pope.

I think there has been somewhat more piling onto my TBR buddy Jazzhead than is actually warranted--at least, from what I can see on this particular thread.

However, I would point out to Jazzhead that if the thread's headline is correct--and it seems to be correct--then Tolliver was thrown out of the DNC Chairmanship race, not for being bigoted against Ellison, but primarily for stirring up a fracas with Ellison as a way of telling the truth about Islam--i.e., about the real Islam, the Islam of the Koran.

I would next declare that, although Tolliver was rather clumsy in his approach, he was correct.  Real Muslims, the kind who really believe the Koran--not like our occasionally American brand of MINOs (Muslims-in-name-only)--should be disqualified from office (by a thoughtful, informed public, at least) as necessarily unable to take the Oath of Office of loyalty to the U.S. Constitution.  By extension, Radicals like Ellison (and yes, he is a real Radical) should be disqualified by the DNC from the DNC Chairmanship--which is what Tolliver was saying sort of under his breath.   

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Ah, but the DNC wants Radicals like Ellison in its Party leadership.  The DNC is only pretending to be deeply concerned about Ellison's religious rights.  The truth is, the DNC is doing what CAIR always does:  the DNC is playing a shell game that nets out as protecting Radical Islam, which is a politico-military entity that the Global Socialists want to exploit, under the phony cover of religious freedom, against our free, sovereign Republic.  And it is pretty easy to see that Ellison is part of Radical Islam--the crypto-Communist branch thereof, oddly enough.  (See Trevor Loudon's recent elucidation of the details about Ellison in his recent movie release.)

Notice that I am sort of taking issue with Jazzhead's comment that Ellison should not be disqualified because of his religion.  I am saying Ellison should be disqualified because of his necessarily anti-American political position--which hides behind a shield of religious protection.  (The concerns about JFK as a Romanist were nothing after all, by the way.  Like most RCs in America, even those of JFK's era, JFK was pro-American.  Ellison, on the other hand, is pro-Koran and pro-Farrakhan--and these "pros" are, sociopolitically speaking, radically anti-American.)
 
 

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What's offensive about Tolliver's comment is that he assumed Ellison is not qualified to serve because of his religion, not because of Ellison's personal views or positions with respect to gay rights.   

Sorta like proclaiming that Kennedy wasn't qualified for President because he was Catholic and would take orders from the Pope.


And why shouldn't demanding a practicing Muslim denounce specific items contained in the Koran, as part of the 'vetting' process?

At the very least, Ellison should defend his position himself....and not have the media be a firewall.
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And why shouldn't demanding a practicing Muslim denounce specific items contained in the Koran, as part of the 'vetting' process?

At the very least, Ellison should defend his position himself....and not have the media be a firewall.

Exactly.
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However, I would point out to Jazzhead that if the thread's headline is correct--and it seems to be correct--then Tolliver was thrown out of the DNC Chairmanship race, not for being bigoted against Ellison, but primarily for stirring up a fracas with Ellison as a way of telling the truth about Islam--i.e., about the real Islam, the Islam of the Koran.
 
 

MINOS are the infiltration force. They come in and spread the lie that "we are different than THOSE Muslims!" They soften the host country underbelly for the radicals who come beyond. Thats a matter of history. The more there are the more radical they become. Century after century, country after country. And they OPENLY admit it. There are countless examples of Imams preaching it one can find with minimal searches.

They need not hide it. The liberals will simply do as they always do. Think they can use 'brown people' like pawns to achieve their ends. But this time they picked the wrong 'brown people'. These people have 2000 years of war behind them and know how to manipulate the cowardly and stupid.

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MINOS are the infiltration force. They come in and spread the lie that "we are different than THOSE Muslims!" They soften the host country underbelly for the radicals who come beyond. Thats a matter of history. The more there are the more radical they become. Century after century, country after country. And they OPENLY admit it. There are countless examples of Imams preaching it one can find with minimal searches.

They need not hide it. The liberals will simply do as they always do. Think they can use 'brown people' like pawns to achieve their ends. But this time they picked the wrong 'brown people'. These people have 2000 years of war behind them and know how to manipulate the cowardly and stupid.

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No, You are a whiney abortion loving Liberal.  The worst kind.

And most other topics, too. Liberal position  to keep Obamacare, supporting abortion, on muslims, on homosexuality, and other topics as well.

Right at home on a thread about the DNC. Kicked off a previous conservative site, for espousing liberal positions.
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And most other topics, too. Liberal position  to keep Obamacare, supporting abortion, on muslims, on homosexuality, and other topics as well.

Right at home on a thread about the DNC. Kicked off a previous conservative site, for espousing liberal positions.

I espouse nuanced positions.  I espouse pragmatic positions.  I espouse my own positions.

I've read what's in ObamaCare.   The whole damn thing.   I have friends and colleagues who are Muslim, relatives who are gay, and known all sorts of folks who've made mistakes in life.  So shoot me for my apostasy.   

I have 40 years of history as a Republican.   I voted for Reagan in '76.  Who the f$#@ are you?   
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You don't get out much in the real world do you?

I'd hazard that you don't know any Muslims, but consider yourself an expert on the subject because you read Breitbart and Jihadwatch, right?

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It's not bigotry. It's being man enough to admit that their political war plan isn't a 'religion' and the adherents of that war plan place Sharia over America's Constitution. Go ahead and ask your Muslim friends which they will adhere to when the chips are down. Then come back with your answer and post what they told you.

Oh wait. Taqquya...I forget. The Koran COMMANDS them to lie to the infidel in the name of Allah.

H'okay.

Your words:

1. Every Muslim is a jihadist.
2. Every Muslim is a liar.