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Offline Weird Tolkienish Figure

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Re: YOU'RE FIRED!
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2017, 03:13:26 am »
Quote from: Fantom on January 31, 2017, 03:11:33 am
Not on the ban list...yet.

Point being, that a green card is no guarantee of proper vetting. Whilst he was a child of green card holders..... vet more better....


There's simply no way to absolutely imperfectly vet anybody. No matter how much you do a maniac will eventually work their way through.
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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2017, 03:13:56 am »
Quote from: Fantom on January 31, 2017, 03:04:09 am
Did not the muslim wife of the San Bernardino shooters have a green card?

I don't know. 
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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2017, 03:14:12 am »
I like that he fights;  I wish he'd fight for something worth fighting for.   Needless fights with Mexico,  and the imposition of a ban without the forethought to even think through what to do with folks with green cards, leads me to despair that his administration will not survive its term.   

He should can the sideshows and manufactured chaos and work hard with the Congress to enact tax reform that will get the economy humming  again.  Effect regulatory relief,  and a workable replacement for the ACA.  An eye single on JOBS.  THAT's what he should be fighting for, in areas where he can get cover and alliance with Congress. 

Instead he imposes a immigration ban so quickly he hasn't worked out the most basic details and hasn't even consulted with GOP leadership.   He improvises,  without coordinating with his natural allies.

In a word, he's reckless, and many of us don't like reckless.  Leadership doesn't mean reckless.

Trump's not ready for prime time, folks.   He's making enemies he doesn't have to,  taking risks he doesn't need to.  He's sowing chaos for its own sake.     

This is going to end badly.   
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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2017, 03:28:30 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 31, 2017, 03:13:26 am

There's simply no way to absolutely imperfectly vet anybody. No matter how much you do a maniac will eventually work their way through.

They are not maniacs. They are followers of the original muslim terrorist...Mad Mo hisself.

Vlad Tepes knew it. Pope Benedict , in quoting Manuel Paleologos II....."The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war,” Benedict said. “He said, I quote, ’Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." shows they Both knew the truth. Winston Churchill knew it. Mahatma Ghandi even knew the truth about islam.

And I believe..Trump knows as well....... islam is an Assault "religion".
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« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2017, 03:29:58 am »
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« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2017, 03:33:01 am »
Quote from: Jazzhead on January 31, 2017, 03:14:12 am
I like that he fights;  I wish he'd fight for something worth fighting for.   Needless fights with Mexico,  and the imposition of a ban without the forethought to even think through what to do with folks with green cards, leads me to despair that his administration will not survive its term.   

He should can the sideshows and manufactured chaos and work hard with the Congress to enact tax reform that will get the economy humming  again.  Effect regulatory relief,  and a workable replacement for the ACA.  An eye single on JOBS.  THAT's what he should be fighting for, in areas where he can get cover and alliance with Congress. 

Instead he imposes a immigration ban so quickly he hasn't worked out the most basic details and hasn't even consulted with GOP leadership.   He improvises,  without coordinating with his natural allies.

In a word, he's reckless, and many of us don't like reckless.  Leadership doesn't mean reckless.

Trump's not ready for prime time, folks.   He's making enemies he doesn't have to,  taking risks he doesn't need to.  He's sowing chaos for its own sake.     

This is going to end badly.

Maybe "reckless".. maybe giving cover for shrinking violets in the political class of GOP.

Any rate, I am fine with this.
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« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2017, 03:35:26 am »
Quote from: Jazzhead on January 31, 2017, 03:14:12 am
I like that he fights;  I wish he'd fight for something worth fighting for.   Needless fights with Mexico, and the imposition of a ban without the forethought to even think through what to do with folks with green cards, leads me to despair that his administration will not survive its term.   

The implementation was going to be sloppy, but it was her job to defend and enforce the law.  Instead Yates pulled the same political stunt as Eric Holder.  There will be times when I'm glad Trump is president ... this is one of those times.
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« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2017, 03:41:05 am »
Quote from: Jazzhead on January 31, 2017, 03:14:12 am
I like that he fights;  I wish he'd fight for something worth fighting for.   Needless fights with Mexico,  and the imposition of a ban without the forethought to even think through what to do with folks with green cards, leads me to despair that his administration will not survive its term.   He should can the sideshows and manufactured chaos and work hard with the Congress to enact tax reform that will get the economy humming  again.  Effect regulatory relief,  and a workable replacement for the ACA.  An eye single on JOBS.  THAT's what he should be fighting for, in areas where he can get cover and alliance with Congress. 

Instead he imposes a immigration ban so quickly he hasn't worked out the most basic details and hasn't even consulted with GOP leadership.   He improvises,  without coordinating with his natural allies.  In a word, he's reckless, and many of us don't like reckless.  Leadership doesn't mean reckless.
Trump's not ready for prime time, folks.   He's making enemies he doesn't have to,  taking risks he doesn't need to.  He's sowing chaos for its own sake.     This is going to end badly.
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You said: "He's sowing chaos for its own sake. This is going to end badly."

You can see and hear when so many can't; they have become blind and deaf.  You know where this is leading, and they don't.  You see the outcome and they are stuck in the minute.
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« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2017, 03:43:34 am »
Quote from: Mom MD on January 31, 2017, 02:45:51 am
How about that.  A republican with a spine!  He may do things inartfully, but no one can accuse him of not getting stuff done.  I may enjoy this four years after all.

Like him or not, one thing is for certain; he has demonstrated a very strong work ethic along with some integrity. Those that aren't willing to roll up their sleeves and fall in line just might find themselves without a seat.
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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2017, 03:49:53 am »
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Trump Fires Acting Attorney General
NYT, Jan 30, 2017, MARK LANDLER, MATT APUZZO and ERIC LICHTBLAU

WASHINGTON — President Trump fired his acting attorney general on Monday after she defiantly refused to defend his immigration executive order, accusing the Democratic holdover of trying to obstruct his agenda for political reasons.

Taking action in an escalating crisis for his 10-day-old administration, Mr. Trump declared that Sally Q. Yates had “betrayed” the administration, the White House said in a statement.

The president appointed Dana J. Boente, United States attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, to serve as acting attorney general until Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama is confirmed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/us/politics/trump-immigration-ban-memo.html


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« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2017, 03:51:17 am »
Quote from: Mom MD on January 31, 2017, 02:45:51 am
How about that.  A republican with a spine!  He may do things inartfully, but no one can accuse him of not getting stuff done.  I may enjoy this four years after all.

I think we all will!  @Mom MD    ^-^
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« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2017, 03:52:56 am »
Quote from: LonestarDream on January 31, 2017, 02:42:27 am
Trump has Guts to actually roll back liberalism unlike 12 years of Bush.

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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2017, 03:54:53 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on January 31, 2017, 02:58:18 am
Yes, but the green card thing is taking up all the oxygen right now.

Only for you @Sanguine   The rest of us have caught up.
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« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2017, 03:58:57 am »
Trump has apparently appointed a new head of ICE to replace the Acting Deputy Director of Directing Deputies, or whatever the guy is.
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« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2017, 04:01:03 am »
Quote from: Victoria33 on January 31, 2017, 03:41:05 am
@Jazzhead
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@Quix   

You said: "He's sowing chaos for its own sake. This is going to end badly."

You can see and hear when so many can't; they have become blind and deaf.  You know where this is leading, and they don't.  You see the outcome and they are stuck in the minute.

Yes and no.

Time will tell . . . how much of each is really true.
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« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2017, 04:01:46 am »
Quote from: Victoria33 on January 31, 2017, 03:41:05 am
You can see and hear when so many can't; they have become blind and deaf.  You know where this is leading, and they don't.  You see the outcome and they are stuck in the minute.

With all due respect @Victoria33 --what the hell are you talking about?
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« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2017, 04:05:31 am »
Quote from: cato potatoe on January 31, 2017, 03:35:26 am
The implementation was going to be sloppy, but it was her job to defend and enforce the law.  Instead Yates pulled the same political stunt as Eric Holder.  There will be times when I'm glad Trump is president ... this is one of those times.

Indeed.  :beer:

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« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2017, 04:05:59 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on January 31, 2017, 03:54:53 am
Only for you @Sanguine   The rest of us have caught up.

Obviously you haven't.  You totally misread my comment and decided to add a stupid comment based on your misread.
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« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2017, 04:06:31 am »
Quote from: endicom on January 31, 2017, 03:58:57 am
Trump has apparently appointed a new head of ICE to replace the Acting Deputy Director of Directing Deputies, or whatever the guy is.

Grab them by the nose.....then kick them in the ass.
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« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2017, 04:11:43 am »
Quote from: Fantom on January 31, 2017, 04:06:31 am
Grab them by the nose.....then kick them in the ass.

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« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2017, 04:12:46 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on January 31, 2017, 04:05:59 am
Obviously you haven't.  You totally misread my comment and decided to add a stupid comment based on your misread.

Nonsense.
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« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2017, 04:13:31 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on January 31, 2017, 04:05:59 am
Obviously you haven't.  You totally misread my comment and decided to add a stupid comment based on your misread.
You guys seem to be on the same side of this issue...
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« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2017, 04:16:50 am »
Quote from: LonestarDream on January 31, 2017, 04:13:31 am
You guys seem to be on the same side of this issue...

Could be.   :shrug:
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« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2017, 04:21:32 am »
Quote from: Fantom on January 31, 2017, 04:05:31 am
Indeed.  :beer:

"A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week."

"The best battle plan ever devised never survives first contact with the enemy."
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« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2017, 04:31:54 am »
Quote from: Bigun on January 31, 2017, 04:21:32 am
"The best battle plan ever devised never survives first contact with the enemy."

Indeed!

And from Sun Tzu...."If your opponent is of choleric temper, irritate him." ..... gonna be a long time for the choleric left...he he he. I wonder if even they can keep up the outrage.  :smokin:
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