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Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
« on: January 29, 2017, 05:38:32 pm »
Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
By Mallory Shelbourne - 01/29/17 12:30 PM EST

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Sunday that Congress may be able to pass legislation overturning President Donald Trump’s recent executive actions on immigration.

“If we get a few more Republicans, I think we might be able to pass legislation to overturn it,” Schumer said at a press conference. “It will be up to getting more Republicans.”

Trump on Friday signed an executive order calling for a 90-day ban on nationals from 7 predominantly Muslim countries entering the United States. The order also included a 120-day ban on admitting refugees and an indefinite halt on admitting refugees from Syria.

--This breaking news report will be updated.

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Re: Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2017, 06:17:15 pm »
I don't think so, I read about this little law passed in 1952 by a democrat controlled House and Senate, signed by a democrat President.

 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

“Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by president. Whenever the president finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, the president may, by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”

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Re: Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2017, 07:40:03 pm »
A friend posted this on Facebook:
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There is a 90-day hold on people from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen. In fact the order states “I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order.”

Notice the actual executive order doesn't list any nations at all. It only list a code section. Now, that section of code was updated on December 18, 2015, as part of the Omnibus Appropriations Act of FY2016. That is where the list of seven countries comes from.

So who prepared this list?

Who was President on December 18th, 2015 when the list was created?
What did Schmucky do when Obama did the same thing in 2011 that Trump has ordered?
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Re: Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
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Re: Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2017, 02:01:49 pm »

The only thing that makes Schumer cry is not being able to find a camera to get in front of.  :silly:

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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2017, 02:57:35 pm »
The only thing that makes Schumer cry is not being able to find a camera to get in front of.  :silly:

Standing between Schumer and a camera is more dangerous than breaking bread with a member of ISIS.
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2017, 03:04:34 pm »
The only thing that makes Schumer cry is not being able to find a camera to get in front of.  :silly:

Standing between Schumer and a camera is more dangerous than breaking bread with a member of ISIS.

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Re: Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2017, 04:46:03 pm »
SOURCE: HOTAIR

URL: http://hotair.com/archives/2017/01/30/trump-to-chuck-schumer-enough-with-the-fake-tears-over-my-travel-ban-order/

by AllahPundit



Having watched the clip, the tears seem genuine to me. But then, Schumer has reasons to cry apart from the ban: The grassroots left seems to be in the process of turning him into its very own John Boehner, the caucus leader who’s too inclined to make deals with a president from the other party whom they despise. The standoff over the travel ban is a big test for Schumer’s willingness to confront Trump. Tears are just the start of what the base expects: In Congress, House Democrats are demanding meetings with DHS chief John Kelly to protest Trump’s order while Senate Democrats plan to introduce bills that would overturn it. The politics of that could be interesting, as several Senate Republicans complained about the ban over the weekend. There might be 51 votes for a rollback if McConnell somehow allows it to come to the floor — not enough to defeat a Republican filibuster and certainly not enough to override a potential Trump veto, but enough to embarrass the president. “Majority of Senate opposes Trump order” isn’t a good headline.

Which might explain why Kelly is backing down on a key part of it. Remember the confusion yesterday about whether the travel ban applies to green-card holders? Kelly’s now clarified that it doesn’t.

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DHS secretary John Kelly says it's "in the national interest" to let lawful permanent residents (green card holders) into the US pic.twitter.com/135AsvOyzS

— Alan Yuhas (@AlanYuhas) January 29, 2017

The language there about the “national interest” refers to a provision in the order that allows the secretary of DHS to make special exceptions to the ban for people whose presence in the U.S. is in the national interest. In theory, exceptions should be granted only in special cases, like for interpreters in Iraq who assisted the U.S. military. In practice, Kelly’s declaration will make exceptions for hundreds of thousands of permanent residents. Essentially, he’s using his discretion under the order to overrule the Bannon/Miller wing in the White House who wanted the travel ban to cover green-card holders too.

Much has been written already about how ineptly the order was executed but more is trickling out every day. The latest from the NYT:

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Gen. John F. Kelly, the secretary of homeland security, had dialed in from a Coast Guard plane as he headed back to Washington from Miami. Along with other top officials, he needed guidance from the White House, which had not asked his department for a legal review of the order.

Halfway into the briefing, someone on the call looked up at a television in his office. “The president is signing the executive order that we’re discussing,” the official said, stunned…

Jim Mattis, the new secretary of defense, did not see a final version of the order until Friday morning, only hours before Mr. Trump arrived to sign it at the Pentagon.

Mr. Mattis, according to administration officials familiar with the deliberations, was not consulted by the White House during the preparation of the order and was not given an opportunity to provide input while the order was being drafted. Last summer, Mr. Mattis sharply criticized Mr. Trump’s proposed ban on Muslim immigration as a move that was “causing us great damage right now, and it’s sending shock waves through the international system.”

Customs and Border Protection reportedly didn’t get written instructions until 3 a.m. Saturday, hours after the order was already signed. Even agency managers seemed confused. “If the secretary doesn’t know anything, how could we possibly know anything at this level?” said one officer. Which brings us back to the key question in all of this:

Why not wait a week or so to get input from DHS and the Defense Department, write up formal guidelines for agencies, then roll out the order at a scheduled time when everyone’s ready to go? Trump made the case on Twitter this morning that they couldn’t wait a week because that would have given “bad dudes” an extra week to sneak in before the ban is in effect, but that’s idiotic. Trump has been talking about banning visitors from war-torn Middle Eastern countries for ages, since early in his candidacy. His first iteration of the new policy announced in late 2015 was a temporary ban on all Muslims globally. Any “bad dudes” intent on entering the U.S. to wreak havoc have had endless warnings already that a ban of some sort would be coming. They wouldn’t have waited until Trump was actually sworn in to try to enter the U.S., as such. They would have been clamoring to do so since the day after the election.

It’s worth reading this short memo of dissent being prepared by State Department employees who are opposed to Trump’s order. That’ll do him more damage than Democratic protests of his policies, I think. It’s easy to dismiss Schumer’s tears as partisan nonsense, a bit harder to dismiss concerns coming from within one of Trump’s own agencies — although of course there are partisan actors there too, and they’ll be attacked as such. Increasingly this order seems like a test of wills: Can enough pressure get Trump to back down by either shortening the length of the ban (90 days for regular visitors, 120 for refugees) or by expanding the categories of people who aren’t subject to it? Kelly’s already given ground on green-card holders. We’ll see if more’s to come.

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Re: Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2017, 04:58:55 pm »
Schumer's tears are as fake as Shumer is and anybody who doesn't think so is an idiot.  President the Donald does not even have a SOS yet so whatever that department has to say is still being written by partisan hacks. :bullie smokin:

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Re: Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2017, 04:59:04 pm »
 
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Can enough pressure get Trump to back down by either shortening the length of the ban (90 days for regular visitors, 120 for refugees) or by expanding the categories of people who aren’t subject to it? Kelly’s already given ground on green-card holders. We’ll see if more’s to come.

   If recent history is any indication, 'Back Down' is not even in his auto-correct, 'Double Down' on the other hand.....

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Re: Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
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Re: Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2017, 05:05:29 pm »
American first. Americans' safety and security first.  Everything and everybody else after that.

Trump was NOT elected to quibble with anti-American leftist democrats, foreigners, terrorists or their supporters and appeasers.

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Re: Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2017, 05:15:26 pm »
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It’s worth reading this short memo of dissent being prepared by State Department employees who are opposed to Trump’s order. That’ll do him more damage than Democratic protests of his policies, I think. It’s easy to dismiss Schumer’s tears as partisan nonsense, a bit harder to dismiss concerns coming from within one of Trump’s own agencies — although of course there are partisan actors there too, and they’ll be attacked as such.

Anyone who believes that State is "one of Trump's own agencies" might be interested in a bridge in NYC I have for sale for a very reasonable price.  State hasn't been any president's agency for a very long time.  They believe themselves to be above such things as following the orders of the head of state.
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Re: Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2017, 05:27:10 pm »
Chucks got a real future in TV.  Maybe with his kissing cousin Amy on SNL.

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Re: Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2017, 06:05:11 pm »
Joking aside.

There is absolutely no rational reason for the United States of America to be blindly admitting individuals from countries with notable terrorist activity.

Those who claim there is no evidence to suggest that refugees from these countries with terrorist activity pose no threat are at best, guilty of willful ignorance, and at worst, intentional deception.

There is incontrovertible evidence that refugee populations have been infiltrated by sympathizers of the Islamic State, and have already carried out jihadist attacks against the Western world.

Here are just a few of the recent refugee attacks on innocent Americans…

Somali refugee Abdul Razak Ali Artan went on a jihadi stabbing rampage at Ohio State.

In 2016, an Iraqi refugee Omar Faraj Saeed Al Hardan was accused of planning to bomb a local mall in Texas.

In September 2016, a Somali refugee named Dahir Adan went on a stabbing spree at a mall in St. Cloud, Minnesota.

Somali refugee, Mohamed Osman Mohamed, was arrested for planning to blow up a Christmas tree lighting ceremony in Oregon back in 2010.

In 2012, Abdullatif Ali Aldosary, an Iraqi refugee, bombed a Social Security Office in Arizona.

Two Iraqi refugees were convicted for having aided Al-Qaeda in Iraq to kill American servicemen. These so called “refugees,” lied on their applications, and as proof that the screening process is ineffective, were allowed entry without issue.

Both Boston Bombers were refugees. The Tsarnaev brothers were brought here courtesy of your paycheck, killing and maiming innocents as a result ( Of course Chechnya is not even on Trump's list ).

The American people need not be lectured by baseless and cliché cries of “Islamophobia,” given that refugees have proven themselves time and time again to be a danger to American citizens.

These protests taking place around the country, are financed largely by those who have no respect for rule of law, or the average American citizen.

To think that in a post 9/11 world, we should have to tolerate anarchist mobs at our airports, disrupting and scaring passengers as they try to make their way through security gates peacefully, is a disgrace to no end.

Rule of law in this country must be restored and power must be used to benefit the average American citizen, not anti-American mobs, nor the politicians who benefit from enabling them.


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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2017, 06:18:16 pm »
Great info!

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Re: Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2017, 06:23:29 pm »
It's hard to believe Pres. Trump has only been in office a little over a week. In such a short time he's got the Rats, their propagandists and the weak minded followers melting down. Pres. Trump's opposition is going to lose so much credibility over protesting a better vetting process and keeping potential terrorists out of the country it's going to be very hard for them to rally any support when he does something big.

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Re: Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2017, 07:13:46 pm »
Chuck Schumer is my senator ( whether I like it or not ). We know the man too well after over two decades of watching him.

There is not one TV camera that he will not hog if he has the chance.

Now that he has replaced Dirty Harry Reid, his position gives him EVEN MORE chances to put his mug in front of the camera.



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Re: Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2017, 07:21:27 pm »
It's hard to believe Pres. Trump has only been in office a little over a week. In such a short time he's got the Rats, their propagandists and the weak minded followers melting down. Pres. Trump's opposition is going to lose so much credibility over protesting a better vetting process and keeping potential terrorists out of the country it's going to be very hard for them to rally any support when he does something big.



   Great point @bilo with each passing day, each fabricated crisis they protest, it is bringing them closer and closer to total irrelevancy in America's conscience, if we still have one.
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Re: Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2017, 07:33:58 pm »
Maybe Schumer is trying out for Boehner's old job?

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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2017, 08:19:44 pm »
Schmucky and his fellow travelers are just a smidgen hypocritical.
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Schumer: Refugee pause may be necessary
By Alexander Bolton - 11/17/15 04:12 PM EST
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Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the third ranking member of the Senate Democratic leadership, on Tuesday said it may be necessary to halt the resettlement of Syrian refugees in the United States.

Republicans immediately seized on Schumer’s comment, which breaks with other Democrats who have argued against halting the program.

Schumer, however, declined to take the option off the table ahead of a special briefing scheduled for Wednesday afternoon on the process that is now used to vet refugees entering the United States.

“We’re waiting for the briefing tomorrow, a pause may be necessary. We’re going to look at it,” he said.

Schumer is widely expected to become leader of Senate Democrats in the next Congress, after Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) retires.

A spokeswoman for Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) highlighted Schumer’s statement as an example of “bipartisan concern” over refugees.

Centrist Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin (W.Va.) signed a letter to President Obama Monday calling on him not to allow another Syrian refugee into the country unless federal authorities can guarantee with 100-percent assurance they are not connected to the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

Other Democrats have rejected freezing Obama’s plan to resettle at least 10,000 Syrian refugees in the current fiscal year.

Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said halting the program “is a simplistic reaction to a very complicated challenge.”

“Background checks need to be redoubled in terms of refugees but if we’re talking about threats to the United States, let’s put this in perspective,” he said.   ...
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Re: Schumer: Dems may be able to overturn Trump's ban
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2017, 08:24:56 pm »
It's hard to believe Pres. Trump has only been in office a little over a week. In such a short time he's got the Rats, their propagandists and the weak minded followers melting down. Pres. Trump's opposition is going to lose so much credibility over protesting a better vetting process and keeping potential terrorists out of the country it's going to be very hard for them to rally any support when he does something big.

The Left always goes off the rails protesting everything to the point it becomes meaningless or worse there is a backlash. With only 33% supporting these anti Trump rallies, looks like they are on shaky ground already. What a bunch of dopes.

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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2017, 09:43:09 pm »
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