LYING IS BAD: 5 Reasons You Shouldn't Defend Trump's Lies Just Because You Like The Outcome

[IsailedawayfromFR]

@Cripplecreek    @INVAR

Human nature is why our Founding Fathers set us up as a representative Republic instead of a democracy. No,it's not a perfect solution,but it is a hell of a lot closer to perfect than anything anyone else has ever came up with because free people have hope.

That bears repeating again and again.

[INVAR]

Human nature is why our Founding Fathers set us up as a representative Republic instead of a democracy. No,it's not a perfect solution,but it is a hell of a lot closer to perfect than anything anyone else has ever came up with because free people have hope.

And Amen Pete.

[EC]

The promise does NOT match the reality though because human nature can't be changed,and the people in charge soon learn to line their own pockets and make power grabs to protect their positions,and if people have to die to make this happen,they can live with it.

Human nature is why our Founding Fathers set us up as a representative Republic instead of a democracy. No,it's not a perfect solution,but it is a hell of a lot closer to perfect than anything anyone else has ever came up with because free people have hope.

Nailed it. 

Though it seems to me that most of the hope free people have at the moment is that someone else will sort out the mess. 

[Smokin Joe]

@Cripplecreek    @INVAR

The Nazi's didn't have any trouble because they were telling people what they want to hear,just like the Dims tell their slave dependent base what THEY want to hear.

In some respect the Nazi's were more moral than today's globalists because what they were "selling" was a untried and untested promise that sounded pretty damn sweet to a Europe who had just gone though a massive economic depression

If the PROMISE of socialism,either national like the Nazi's promised,or worldwide like the Soviets and the DNC promise matched the reality,it would indeed be heaven on Earth. The promise does NOT match the reality though because human nature can't be changed,and the people in charge soon learn to line their own pockets and make power grabs to protect their positions,and if people have to die to make this happen,they can live with it.

Human nature is why our Founding Fathers set us up as a representative Republic instead of a democracy. No,it's not a perfect solution,but it is a hell of a lot closer to perfect than anything anyone else has ever came up with because free people have hope.

Precisely, especially the last paragraph.

[geronl]

Hitler came to power by screaming that that poor oppressed Germans were being abused by the by the evil corporations and those dastardly bankers. The Reichstag fire gave him the chance to scream that the Hindenberg government was weak and didn't round up the communists when they had the chance.

Stunningly similar to the alt.right

[DB]

Stunningly similar to the alt.right

And the left...

Fascist and communist fighting it out with the same battle cry...

[Sanguine]

And the left...

Fascist and communist fighting it out with the same battle cry...

Which brings up the age-old question: what is the difference between communists and fascists?

[EC]

Which brings up the age-old question: what is the difference between communists and fascists?

Fascists have better uniforms.

[Cripplecreek]

Which brings up the age-old question: what is the difference between communists and fascists?

Fascists allow private ownership of business as long as they comply with the demands of government.

They do business where government tells them to do business at a price government sets and they hire who government tells them to hire.

[Sanguine]

Fascists allow private ownership of business as long as they comply with the demands of government.

They do business where government tells them to do business at a price government sets and they hire who government tells them to hire.

So, under fascism the owner doesn't really own it either.

[Cripplecreek]

So, under fascism the owner doesn't really own it either.

Only if he's loyal and obedient.

Actually I thought it was one of the more interesting facets of Schindler's List.

[EasyAce]

So, under fascism the owner doesn't really own it either.

Seems like under fascism the business owner owns the business but under extreme
regulation, enough to make you think that he really doesn't own the business.

Also:

A fascist won't couch what he does in the language of human rights, dignity, compassion, etc.. A Communist does
what he does in the language of human rights, dignity, compassion, etc. (That sort of grotesquery didn't exactly
begin with Communism, as any victim of the French Revolution might have told you.) We have seen the evil both do,
but without once seeking to undermine or underrate the evil of fascism there's something far more grotesque and evil
about couching that sort of evil in the rhetoric of human rights, dignity, compassion.

[sneakypete]

Stunningly similar to the alt.right

@geronl

Which these days is almost impossible to tell from the left unless you have a scorecard that identifies each creature by species.

[sneakypete]

Which brings up the age-old question: what is the difference between communists and fascists?

@Sanguine

The brand label,and the fact that the Nazi's had a more limited dream. They just wanted to dominate Europe. The Communists wanted to turn the whole damn world into a communist police state.

[sneakypete]

Fascists allow private ownership of business as long as they comply with the demands of government.

They do business where government tells them to do business at a price government sets and they hire who government tells them to hire.

@Cripplecreek

Kinda like the US government civil service jobs and every business in America now.

OOOPS!

[Sanguine]

@Sanguine

The brand label,and the fact that the Nazi's had a more limited dream. They just wanted to dominate Europe. The Communists wanted to turn the whole damn world into a communist police state.

Good answer.

[sneakypete]

So, under fascism the owner doesn't really own it either.

@Sanguine

No one ever really owns anything but themselves,and most people don't even "own" themselves. Or want to. Seems like most just want to be a cog in the machine.

The best any of us can hope for it to control the things most people think we own. This is true wherever you live because man is mortal,and you can't take it with you.

I had a wise old SGM in the army set me straight one day when I was whining about having a brand new car sitting out in the company parking lot that I got to see for a few minutes once a month IF I was lucky. At that time it seems like I was getting deployed for 30 to 60 day training missions,one right after the other with no real break,other than to be trucked in on Sunday for 1 warm meal and hot shower a week,wash my clothes,and back out into the mountains for another 6 days.

What he told me was "If you can't eat it,wear it,sleep in it,or hump it,you don't really need it. That doesn't mean "extra" isn't nice to have,but it's not essential and it damn sure ain't nothing to worry about."

I have seen nothing in life since to convince me he wasn't right.

[sneakypete]

Seems like under fascism the business owner owns the business but under extreme
regulation, enough to make you think that he really doesn't own the business.

Also:

A fascist won't couch what he does in the language of human rights, dignity, compassion, etc.. A Communist does
what he does in the language of human rights, dignity, compassion, etc. (That sort of grotesquery didn't exactly
begin with Communism, as any victim of the French Revolution might have told you.) We have seen the evil both do,
but without once seeking to undermine or underrate the evil of fascism there's something far more grotesque and evil
about couching that sort of evil in the rhetoric of human rights, dignity, compassion.

@EasyAce

A VERY uncomfortable truth none of us ever really want to admit to or face is that NO government can survive that doesn't have some fascist tendencies. Like building permits,business permits,licenses,etc,etc,etc. Governments,ALL governments,are about control and regulation. Without it they have no money to function and no method to make people behave in a civilized manner without going all-out police state".

Sometimes some elements of fascism are a necessary evil. The goal should be to control that evil and keep it shut up tight in a box so it can't escape and dominate.

Great stuff as a necessary tool,but pure evil as a master.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

@EasyAce

A VERY uncomfortable truth none of us ever really want to admit to or face is that NO government can survive that doesn't have some fascist tendencies.
Sometimes some elements of fascism are a necessary evil. The goal should be to control that evil and keep it shut up tight in a box so it can't escape and dominate.

Good examination of reality. @sneakypete

Case in point we have was revealed this week when the acting AG hag decided to go against Trump on EO.

This country's constitution gives 100% of ALL the power of the Executive to one man, and that man now is Trump.  He is allowed to delegate power, but all who he delegates to serve "at his pleasure" (As Commish Reagan-Tom Selleck would say).  Anything the hag said on her acting as per the Constitution was rubbish as she assumed extra-constitutional authority.  And DT certainly did not delegate the authority to her to overrule his EO.

That on the face is hard-core facism to have that amount of power in one man - but our Founders believed it necessary to be efficient to run this new country. 

And they strengthened tremendously Congress, the people and States' representatives, to control that personal power.

If we do not keep that control in place by slapping down an strongarm President, whether it is a Trump or Obama, then that evil will be here and will harm us immensely, perhaps irreparably.  If FDR had not died when he did, this might have happened in the 40s.

[sneakypete]

 If FDR had not died when he did, this might have happened in the 40s.

@IsailedawayfromFR

AMEN! His wife and half of his cabinet were outright dedicated communists,and some of them even worked directly for the Soviet Politburo. Chances are this included him. If it didn't,he was a whole lot dumber than I think he was.

 America really dodged a bullet when that SOB died.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

@IsailedawayfromFR

AMEN! His wife and half of his cabinet were outright dedicated communists,and some of them even worked directly for the Soviet Politburo. Chances are this included him. If it didn't,he was a whole lot dumber than I think he was.

 America really dodged a bullet when that SOB died.

We should never forget as a country what party affiliation he was, nor the party of the Congress which enabled him.