Author Topic: If Chicago doesn't fix the horrible "carnage" going on, 228 shootings in 2017 with 42 killings (up 24% from 2016), I will send in the Feds!  (Read 4954 times)

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Sounding like a dictator... or is that just me?
In actual day-to-day national life, when major fires, floods occur the President sends in national resources to help.

The Dept. of Justice has stepped in to help with crime, as for instance when Rudi Giuliani came down on the mafia using RICO laws.

The offer/threat to help seems to be far from a "dictator," but hey this site thrives on the fascist/dictator/Nazi imagery....in spite of being advised many times by the owner to stop.
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In actual day-to-day national life, when major fires, floods occur the President sends in national resources to help.

The Dept. of Justice has stepped in to help with crime, as for instance when Rudi Giuliani came down on the mafia using RICO laws.


Because the state requested their help.

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Because the state requested their help.

And most of the time that help should be denied anyway.

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I'm clueless on that.  In one of the cities I lived in a Federal task fotce came in to give local law enforcement help with a gangs cleanup.  They did a good job of providing assistance.  Prosecuted and sent away a lot of gang members.  Even more left town and the ones left got very quiet.  Federal and local PARTNERSHIP can be very effective.

Wow. Somebody considers the outcome. Often the outcome DOES justify the means.

Especially when there is abundant precedent.
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The Feds basically went into Ferguson and investigated. So, I guess that means Obama was a dictator.

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Wow. Somebody considers the outcome. Often the outcome DOES justify the means.

Especially when there is abundant precedent.

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Two wrongs make a right, forget that narrow way to heaven join the crowds going the other way! They have cookies!

Progressives always declare that the ends justify the means.

I saw it in many forms at TOS on my way out the door. I was repeatedly informed that the constitution could wait, we need a dictator now. Those lying pieces of garbage know there would be no return to the constitution if they get their dictator.

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We have no dictator, we have a pro-life Christian; not that one time Democrat Reagan for the record, but Trump.

Now, I see the reasoning, 80% of those killed in Chicago are blacks; horrendous, a president says if you can't solve it, we'll solve it and now he's a dictator for caring about the carnage in the US.

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In actual day-to-day national life, when major fires, floods occur the President sends in national resources to help.

The Dept. of Justice has stepped in to help with crime, as for instance when Rudi Giuliani came down on the mafia using RICO laws.

The offer/threat to help seems to be far from a "dictator," but hey this site thrives on the fascist/dictator/Nazi imagery....in spite of being advised many times by the owner to stop.

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I'm clueless on that.  In one of the cities I lived in a Federal task fotce came in to give local law enforcement help with a gangs cleanup.  They did a good job of providing assistance.  Prosecuted and sent away a lot of gang members.  Even more left town and the ones left got very quiet.  Federal and local PARTNERSHIP can be very effective.
Federal task forces come in by request (unless pipelines are being protested under Obama). Commonly that is done over the interstate trafficking of drugs, human trafficking (sex slavery), or the movement of stolen goods in interstate theft rings, which reach the extent of federal jurisdiction anyway. Almost all of that involves either violation of Federal Law or interstate criminal acts or both.
 
It was done here during the oil boom, in part because some idiot TV producer thought it would be a good idea not only to advertise there was money and jobs in the oil patch, but that 'law enforcement were overwhelmed' and show masked felons stealing, claiming to be dealing drugs, and running prostitution rings and claiming to have hit the big time with no cops--which predictably brought every stinking criminal with any gumption or greed down on a community formerly of about twenty thousand, looking to steal, deal, or run their stable of girls.

A lot of criminals have found out otherwise, and have been imprisoned as a result, but I honestly hope the producer lives to a very old age in a blighted neighborhood someplace, without the fiscal resources to mitigate that (which is as nice as I can be on that score).
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In actual day-to-day national life, when major fires, floods occur the President sends in national resources to help.
Only by request. Recall the kerfuffle over Bush not sending in Federal Resources, even as Coast Guard helos were picking people off rooftops and debris. THose resources awaited one thing: the request of the Governor of Louisiana, without which they could not legally be deployed.
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The Dept. of Justice has stepped in to help with crime, as for instance when Rudi Giuliani came down on the mafia using RICO laws.
Again, by request, and involving Federal Law.
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The offer/threat to help seems to be far from a "dictator," but hey this site thrives on the fascist/dictator/Nazi imagery....in spite of being advised many times by the owner to stop.
What we thrive on is the Constitution of the Untied States. We expect any POTUS to follow it, especially when the ink is barely dry on their oath. If Rahm Emmanuel and the Chicago City Government request Federal help with a law enforcement problem, that is a different matter. Unless the laws being broken fit the criteria for Federal intervention outside of that request, they are a State or Local matter.
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I'm not sure if Gov. Christie actually first requested aid during Hurricane Sandy; the Fed may have just gone in and helped.

So, perhaps the pressure is on if Chicago keeps spiraling down, the governor may have acts at his disposal.
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Trump says he may send ‘the feds’ to Chicago. Federal agents are already there.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/01/25/trump-says-he-may-send-the-feds-to-chicago-federal-agents-are-already-there/?utm_term=.872d8e6b1143

They are already in Chicago and work with local law enforcement.

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What exactly does he think the federal government can do about it?

That's what I was wondering.  I am trying to picture it.  House to house search for weapons by the military?  Tanks rolling down the street with soldiers posted on the streets????

What?
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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That's what I was wondering.  I am trying to picture it.  House to house search for weapons by the military?  Tanks rolling down the street with soldiers posted on the streets????

What?
Posse Comitatus would prevent using the military for law enforcement, other than on military bases or in instances of insurrection.
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Hmmmm

I find the posts of those defending Trump on this interesting. If Obama had proposed this I'm 100% surethe same posters would be defending Obama :silly:

Curious how folks who condemed Obama for eight years now are onboard with the same actions as long as its Trump doing it.

Tell me again how those on the right are different than those on the left?

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Hmmmm

I find the posts of those defending Trump on this interesting. If Obama had proposed this I'm 100% surethe same posters would be defending Obama :silly:

Curious how folks who condemed Obama for eight years now are onboard with the same actions as long as its Trump doing it.

Tell me again how those on the right are different than those on the left?

Well apparently the abandonment of principles is the route to freedom.

How Losing My Political Values Helped Me Gain My Freedom [Warden]

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,245515.0.html

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Hmmmm

I find the posts of those defending Trump on this interesting. If Obama had proposed this I'm 100% surethe same posters would be defending Obama :silly:

Curious how folks who condemed Obama for eight years now are onboard with the same actions as long as its Trump doing it.

Tell me again how those on the right are different than those on the left?
Oh, that's easy. They are pointing the finger at the other guys.
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Seems to me the logical way...one way to achieve some success here is to declare Martial Law to a degree with a strict curfew for anybody not employed to outside after a specified hour.

Strict enforcement of loitering laws....no more sitting on the front stoop in groups.

Strict enforcement of pants below one's buttocks.....    :laugh:   had to throw that one in.
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