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State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« on: January 04, 2017, 03:18:05 am »
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State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon
By Elizabeth Shim Contact the Author   |   Jan. 3, 2017 at 9:21 PM

WASHINGTON, Jan. 3 (UPI) -- The U.S. State Department said Tuesday it does not believe Kim Jong Un has the capability to place a nuclear warhead on a ballistic missile.

The statement comes a few days after the North Korean leader announced his country is ready to test an intercontinental ballistic missile.

Department spokesman John Kirby made the statement the same day the White House said nothing has changed in its assessment of North Korea's nuclear and missile programs, Yonhap reported.

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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2017, 03:22:25 am »
Well that makes me feel better!   :tongue2:
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2017, 03:27:23 am »
Some good news, finally.
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2017, 06:12:37 am »
Quote from: TomSea on January 04, 2017, 03:27:23 am
Some good news, finally.

Yes, because you can believe what comes out of Obama's State Department as true as Gospel.
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2017, 10:17:25 am »
The south Korean govt says otherwise.
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2017, 02:25:34 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on January 04, 2017, 06:12:37 am
Yes, because you can believe what comes out of Obama's State Department as true as Gospel.
@INVAR

I knew what I said sounded like being gullible but compared to stories about terrorist attacks or rapes by refugees, it is a good news story, it being credible or not.
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2017, 02:28:14 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on January 04, 2017, 02:25:34 pm
@INVAR

I knew what I said sounded like being gullible but compared to stories about terrorist attacks or rapes by refugees, it is a good news story, it being credible or not.

You consider a non-credible story good news?  Why?
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2017, 03:03:20 pm »
Quote from: thackney on January 04, 2017, 02:28:14 pm
You consider a non-credible story good news?  Why?

We can't be sure it's totally non-credible. North Korea's arms technology has not been anything to brag about.

Trump said in one of his tweets:

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North Korea just stated that it is in the final stages of developing a nuclear weapon capable of reaching parts of the U.S. It won't happen!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-on-north-korea-missile-threat-%E2%80%98it-won%E2%80%99t-happen%E2%80%99/ar-BBxPiLT?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Now what does this mean?.

That we are going to attack NK so it won't happen?

Does Trump's statement also lack credibility?

And to repeat, per most of the stories here, it's good news and we don't know for sure that it lacks credibility.
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2017, 03:12:29 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on January 04, 2017, 03:03:20 pm
We can't be sure it's totally non-credible. North Korea's arms technology has not been anything to brag about.

I was referring more specifically to your comment rather than the story.

Quote from: TomSea on January 04, 2017, 02:25:34 pm
it is a good news story, it being credible or not.

Why would you consider a non-credible story good news?
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2017, 03:15:11 pm »
So what does Julian Assange say?

After all, our people all lie and only St Julian tells the truth. /s
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2017, 03:18:40 pm »
Quote from: thackney on January 04, 2017, 03:12:29 pm
I was referring more specifically to your comment rather than the story.

Why would you consider a non-credible story good news?

So, you are saying that contrary to the state department, NK can tip a missile with a nuclear weapon?

Okay, well, if that is the truth, I stand corrected.
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2017, 03:40:05 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on January 04, 2017, 03:18:40 pm
So, you are saying that contrary to the state department, NK can tip a missile with a nuclear weapon?

Okay, well, if that is the truth, I stand corrected.

Are you intentionally avoiding my question?  Why are you changing what I said?  I made no claim about their capabilities.

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I was referring more specifically to your comment rather than the story.

You said:
Quote from: TomSea on January 04, 2017, 02:25:34 pm
it is a good news story, it being credible or not.

Why would you consider a non-credible story good news?
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2017, 03:50:57 pm »
Quote from: thackney on January 04, 2017, 03:40:05 pm
Are you intentionally avoiding my question?  Why are you changing what I said?  I made no claim about their capabilities.

You said:
Why would you consider a non-credible story good news?

This will go nowhere. With all due respect, it seems this is now a matter of semantics and not really worth trying to sort out.

Back to the story.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2017, 03:55:55 pm by TomSea »
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2017, 03:58:38 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on January 04, 2017, 03:50:57 pm
This will go nowhere. With all due respect, it seems this is now a matter of semantics and not really worth trying to sort out.

I was trying to understand your comment.  I could not comprehend the point you were trying to make.  It appears you meant the story is credible, therefore good news. 

Is that what you meant instead of "credible or not"?
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2017, 05:51:44 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on January 04, 2017, 03:03:20 pm
We can't be sure it's totally non-credible. North Korea's arms technology has not been anything to brag about.

Trump said in one of his tweets:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-on-north-korea-missile-threat-%E2%80%98it-won%E2%80%99t-happen%E2%80%99/ar-BBxPiLT?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Now what does this mean?.

That we are going to attack NK so it won't happen?

Does Trump's statement also lack credibility?

And to repeat, per most of the stories here, it's good news and we don't know for sure that it lacks credibility.

You are become the king of pretzel logic.
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2017, 05:55:11 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on January 04, 2017, 05:51:44 pm
You are become the king of pretzel logic.

That is funny right there I don't care if you're TomSea!
« Last Edit: January 04, 2017, 05:55:29 pm by Wingnut »
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2017, 06:11:25 pm »
Building a nuclear bomb is very difficult.

Turning it into a warhead that can withstand a missile launch, reentry, and the detonate *BEFORE* it hits the ground and breaks into a million pieces... is even moreso.

And the miniaturizing it enough to meet the size and weight requirements of their missiles make it even more difficult.

That said, time is the enemy here.  More time is more time to solve these problems.

As for the South Koreans... they've never built a nuke or and ICBM to carry one.  They aren't familiar with the process or it's difficulties.  And no South Korean scientist ever participated in any country's program... so they don't have any experts on this.
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2017, 10:00:20 pm »
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The U.S. State Department said Tuesday it does not believe Kim Jong Un has the capability to place a nuclear warhead on a ballistic missile.

Bill Clinton sold American missile technology to the Chinese for campaign donations.
The password to gain access to John Podesta's emails was "password"
Obama's Secretary of State kept highly classified information on an unsecured homebrew server.

There is a clear lack of respect for classified information among recent democrats.

Why should anyone believe that American ballistic missile technology has not already made it to North Korea after 16 years of Clinton and Obama?
And why should anyone believe the State Department that allowed the Iran deal?
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2017, 11:02:37 pm »
Quote from: kidd on January 04, 2017, 10:00:20 pm
Bill Clinton sold American missile technology to the Chinese for campaign donations.
The password to gain access to John Podesta's emails was "password"
Obama's Secretary of State kept highly classified information on an unsecured homebrew server.

There is a clear lack of respect for classified information among recent democrats.

Why should anyone believe that American ballistic missile technology has not already made it to North Korea after 16 years of Clinton and Obama?
And why should anyone believe the State Department that allowed the Iran deal?
The Russians were flying Migs in Mig Alley when my dad was over there, then the Chinese decided to opt in. I don't know why anyone would assume that all of NK's tech is homegrown, to begin with. Lately it sure seems like there could be a fair amount of tech exchange between lesser operators (Pakistan, Iran, NK, and possible some of the big players, too.)

Besides, the State Department got it right about Castro (oh wait, that was the CIA that said he was a communist, the DoS read the NY Times and decided he was going to set up a 'democracy'.) The absence of air support during the Bay of Pigs tells who Kennedy listened to.
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Re: State Department: North Korea not capable of tipping missile with nuclear weapon - UPI
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2017, 11:14:40 pm »
When the North Korean nuclear bomb hits the US before Jan. 20, I'm sure the present State Department will tell you they are sorry they missed the call on that one.  Got water, food?
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« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2017, 11:45:38 pm »
Quote from: kidd on January 04, 2017, 10:00:20 pm
Bill Clinton sold American missile technology to the Chinese for campaign donations.
The password to gain access to John Podesta's emails was "password"
Obama's Secretary of State kept highly classified information on an unsecured homebrew server.

There is a clear lack of respect for classified information among recent democrats.

Why should anyone believe that American ballistic missile technology has not already made it to North Korea after 16 years of Clinton and Obama?
And why should anyone believe the State Department that allowed the Iran deal?

:facepalm2:

I'd highly recommend reading this:

https://fas.org/nuke/guide/dprk/index.html

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