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Re: Trump’s Victory Is a Pivotal Turning Point in Human History
« Reply #175 on: December 29, 2016, 04:59:44 pm »



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Re: Trump’s Victory Is a Pivotal Turning Point in Human History
« Reply #176 on: December 29, 2016, 05:07:09 pm »
That, for me, is the bottom line, @geronl .
Trump isn't one whit different than he was when I opposed his nomination, and his election.  I will not criticize him if he accidentally does something right, but I will not support a man who doesn't represent a single value I have, either politically or morally.
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His personality disorder is still there - he loves himself first, then his immediate family, winning and money.  He will say anything (the truth is not in him) to win and add to his money.  His presidency is all about that and nothing else.  His cabinet is full of millionaires/billionaires who adore him or they would not be there.  According to those working for him, he also appoints people who look good.  For that reason, he would not choose John Bolton as SOS because he has a mustache.  We have "vanity" for a president.

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Re: Trump’s Victory Is a Pivotal Turning Point in Human History
« Reply #177 on: December 29, 2016, 05:27:57 pm »
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I'm, at the moment, sort of counting on that vanity. @sneakypete mentioned it first, I think - along the lines of "Trump always has to win. Has to be the best, his vanity demands it. Now he's got the job, maybe, just maybe, that vanity will force him to actually be a good president."

It's slim, but better than nothing I guess.
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Re: Trump’s Victory Is a Pivotal Turning Point in Human History
« Reply #178 on: December 29, 2016, 05:34:33 pm »
I'm, at the moment, sort of counting on that vanity. @sneakypete mentioned it first, I think - along the lines of "Trump always has to win. Has to be the best, his vanity demands it. Now he's got the job, maybe, just maybe, that vanity will force him to actually be a good president."

Vanity is self-serving, and never to the benefit of others.

Most often, vanity is at the cost of others to assuage the aggrandizement demanded of the vain.

A disaster when such people become rulers.

I think we will discover that hoping for vanity to steer someone into being a good executive is in itself, a vain hope.
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Re: Trump’s Victory Is a Pivotal Turning Point in Human History
« Reply #179 on: December 29, 2016, 05:42:06 pm »


We are a people that have rejected God and His Laws, for the laws of expedience and debauchery as preferred.



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Maybe you and people like you should start demanding that God either gets off his dead ass and does something to help humanity or demands his flunkies return all the money they have been collecting in his name for the last couple of thousand years?
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Re: Trump’s Victory Is a Pivotal Turning Point in Human History
« Reply #180 on: December 29, 2016, 06:00:11 pm »
Maybe you and people like you should start demanding that God either gets off his dead ass and does something to help humanity or demands his flunkies return all the money they have been collecting in his name for the last couple of thousand years?

First; Liberty requires free moral agency. 

Why should God 'help' nations who reject Him?  We can do things God's way, or our own way.  God let's us choose, just like any Father with know-it-all teenagers.  And then there are consequences.  Consequences that everyone blames and throws back at God for 'neglecting' or 'not doing anything about'.

Humanity largely wants nothing to do with the God of the bible.   Mankind's history is one that prefers to do things his own way and worship gods of their own makings and imaginations to assuage the human nature that demands tyranny and enslavement of everyone but themselves.  Religion has proven the best method to achieve that, because people will willingly enslave themselves to tyranny in the belief they are being obedient to God.

Ours was the only nation in man's history that created as a fundamental right - the notion of self-government via liberty that they asserted we were BORN WITH, having come from the Creator rather than from institutions of men.  When a people reject the very providence and Scriptures that such rights were derived, we revert to the default position of despotism under the guise of the religion of men, be it Secularism, Communism, Sharia or Popery.

Rejoice, you have a much larger crowd that agrees with your position than I do.
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Re: Trump’s Victory Is a Pivotal Turning Point in Human History
« Reply #181 on: December 29, 2016, 06:00:59 pm »
@musiclady

His personality disorder is still there - he loves himself first, then his immediate family, winning and money.  He will say anything (the truth is not in him) to win and add to his money.  His presidency is all about that and nothing else.  His cabinet is full of millionaires/billionaires who adore him or they would not be there.  According to those working for him, he also appoints people who look good.  For that reason, he would not choose John Bolton as SOS because he has a mustache.  We have "vanity" for a president.

And vanity never results in good leadership.

He may make some correct decisions by accident, but his central concern is himself, and as a result, it is nearly impossible that he will be a good President.

And even if he is, he is a horrible person, not worthy our respect.
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« Reply #182 on: December 29, 2016, 06:02:21 pm »
First; Liberty requires free moral agency. 

Why should God 'help' nations who reject Him?  We can do things God's way, or our own way.  God let's us choose, just like any Father with know-it-all teenagers.  And then there are consequences.  Consequences that everyone blames and throws back at God for 'neglecting' or 'not doing anything about'.

Humanity largely wants nothing to do with the God of the bible.   Mankind's history is one that prefers to do things his own way and worship gods of their own makings and imaginations to assuage the human nature that demands tyranny and enslavement of everyone but themselves.  Religion has proven the best method to achieve that, because people will willingly enslave themselves to tyranny in the belief they are being obedient to God.

Ours was the only nation in man's history that created as a fundamental right - the notion of self-government via liberty that they asserted we were BORN WITH, having come from the Creator rather than from institutions of men.  When a people reject the very providence and Scriptures that such rights were derived, we revert to the default position of despotism under the guise of the religion of men, be it Secularism, Communism, Sharia or Popery.

Rejoice, you have a much larger crowd that agrees with your position than I do.

Great post @INVAR !
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Re: Trump’s Victory Is a Pivotal Turning Point in Human History
« Reply #183 on: December 29, 2016, 06:51:53 pm »
@musiclady

  We have "vanity" for a president.

At least we don't have 'Hillary' for a president.

Right now, we don't know where vanity will lead Trump.  I'm not expecting him to grow up but it is possible that he will do some right things for the wrong reasons.
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Re: Trump’s Victory Is a Pivotal Turning Point in Human History
« Reply #184 on: December 29, 2016, 07:10:48 pm »
At least we don't have 'Hillary' for a president.

Right now, we don't know where vanity will lead Trump.  I'm not expecting him to grow up but it is possible that he will do some right things for the wrong reasons.

Yes on both counts.

It's wonderful that Hillary isn't President.

It is possible that Trump will stumble upon something good while he does what is good for himself.

That's the best we can hope for at this point.

Accidental mediocrity......
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Re: Trump’s Victory Is a Pivotal Turning Point in Human History
« Reply #185 on: December 29, 2016, 07:18:04 pm »

Accidental mediocrity......

Yay......maybe.  :silly:

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« Reply #186 on: December 29, 2016, 07:48:27 pm »

That's the best we can hope for at this point.

Accidental mediocrity......


As opposed to a collective swan dive into 'Democratic Socialism', ruled by an activest Leftist Supreme Court....where the USA as the world and we know it, would cease to exist?   Where the 2nd Amendment would be repealed and enforced with extreme prejudice?

The USA ultimately saved the so-called free-world's bacon in WWII.   They stopped the Communists in Korea.   Through a strong military, they kept our allies safe.   Even our enemies were rebuilt and modernized after WWII.

So don't take lightly, the mind's eye of the author when he suggests Trump's election victory stopped all the bad sh*t stone cold.
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Re: Trump’s Victory Is a Pivotal Turning Point in Human History
« Reply #187 on: December 29, 2016, 08:07:43 pm »
So don't take lightly, the mind's eye of the author when he suggests Trump's election victory stopped all the bad sh*t stone cold.

And the Obama drones said the same shit about their messiah in 2008 before he took office too.

We will wait to see the fruits and their effects before we start handing out laurels.

Thusfar I remain verily unimpressed.
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Re: Trump’s Victory Is a Pivotal Turning Point in Human History
« Reply #188 on: December 29, 2016, 09:00:06 pm »
As opposed to a collective swan dive into 'Democratic Socialism', ruled by an activest Leftist Supreme Court....where the USA as the world and we know it, would cease to exist?   Where the 2nd Amendment would be repealed and enforced with extreme prejudice?

The USA ultimately saved the so-called free-world's bacon in WWII.   They stopped the Communists in Korea.   Through a strong military, they kept our allies safe.   Even our enemies were rebuilt and modernized after WWII.

So don't take lightly, the mind's eye of the author when he suggests Trump's election victory stopped all the bad sh*t stone cold.

It should never have been a choice between a mediocre, amoral liberal narcissist and Democratic Socialism.

The Republican party should have known better than to nominate  someone who didn't represent a single thing they stood for.

Now we area faced with the "better" of two bad options and a dismal future, all because of the desire for "hope and change" based on empty rhetoric.

The America that has saved the world in the past no longer exists.

The election of Donald J. Trump is absolute proof of that.
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Re: Trump’s Victory Is a Pivotal Turning Point in Human History
« Reply #189 on: December 29, 2016, 09:08:57 pm »

So don't take lightly, the mind's eye of the author when he suggests Trump's election victory stopped all the bad sh*t stone cold.

As someone currently serving in the military...I do and will take VERY lightly your suggestion that Trump's election "stopped all the bad sh*t stone cold"

It' hasn't and it won't.  If anything history has shown the bad guys in the world will more than likely increase attacks as a way to test toe responses of the new administration.
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« Reply #190 on: December 29, 2016, 09:16:07 pm »

It should never have been a choice between a mediocre, amoral liberal narcissist and Democratic Socialism.


So??   That's an entirely different subject....which has been dissected in here ad nauseum.

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The Republican party should have known better than to nominate  someone who didn't represent a single thing they stood for.


WHAT???    The Republican Party doesn't stand for ANYTHING!    It's why there's going to be a President Trump.

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Now we area faced with the "better" of two bad options and a dismal future, all because of the desire for "hope and change" based on empty rhetoric.

The America that has saved the world in the past no longer exists.

The election of Donald J. Trump is absolute proof of that.

LOL!   You and Michelle Obama....."all hope is lost".   

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« Reply #191 on: December 29, 2016, 09:30:05 pm »
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WHAT???    The Republican Party doesn't stand for ANYTHING!    It's why there's going to be a President Trump.

Thank you for proving the point @musiclady was making.
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« Reply #192 on: December 29, 2016, 09:40:53 pm »
So much pessimism here ... glad I don't have my gun, I'd have to eat it.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing what Trump will do.  I was so sure Hillary would win and I knew exactly what she would do.

Trump is kind of a mystery right now.  Yes, his personal faults would challenge a whole herd of shrinks but the thing is, he might actually, accidentally get a few things right.
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« Reply #193 on: December 29, 2016, 09:44:46 pm »
So much pessimism here ... glad I don't have my gun, I'd have to eat it.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing what Trump will do.  I was so sure Hillary would win and I knew exactly what she would do.

Trump is kind of a mystery right now.  Yes, his personal faults would challenge a whole herd of shrinks but the thing is, he might actually, accidentally get a few things right.

Only to those who have been in a coma for the last 40 years. Some of his worst behavior has come during the campaign but I'm sure we're past all that now.  :silly:
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Re: Trump’s Victory Is a Pivotal Turning Point in Human History
« Reply #194 on: December 29, 2016, 09:54:02 pm »
So much pessimism here ...


So much obsession. So much cant.

The article isn't about Trump but about what Trump's victory means. How the assumed leftist zeitgeist has been shown to be hollow and false.

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« Reply #195 on: December 29, 2016, 09:56:12 pm »
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« Reply #196 on: December 29, 2016, 09:57:06 pm »
So??   That's an entirely different subject....which has been dissected in here ad nauseum.

WHAT???    The Republican Party doesn't stand for ANYTHING!    It's why there's going to be a President Trump.

LOL!   You and Michelle Obama....."all hope is lost".

Yes, the subject has been dissected, but it's still valid.

And yes, the Republican party now stands for nothing because Trump stands for nothing.  What he says is not what he believes.

The idea that you would compare me to Michelle Obama is beyond absurdity, DC.  It is YOU who cheered on Trump because he stood for some nebulous hope and change, and nothing more.  Trump's hollow campaign was as ludicrous as Obama's was....... completely devoid of meaning.

There is no hope for America with either liberal in question.   The country went down the drain with Obama in 2008, and the election of Donald Trump just pushed it deeper into the abyss.

I will have to endure another four years with a President who doesn't believe in a single ideal I believe in, either morally or politically.

My life will still be good because God is good, but the country is in the sewer.
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« Reply #197 on: December 29, 2016, 09:59:12 pm »
So much pessimism here ... glad I don't have my gun, I'd have to eat it.

I'm actually looking forward to seeing what Trump will do.  I was so sure Hillary would win and I knew exactly what she would do.

Trump is kind of a mystery right now.  Yes, his personal faults would challenge a whole herd of shrinks but the thing is, he might actually, accidentally get a few things right.

No.  Actually, Trump is not a mystery at all.  He has no core.  It's the only thing Jimmy Carter has ever been right about. 

He is "malleable."

And that's the last thing we need in a President.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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« Reply #198 on: December 29, 2016, 09:59:47 pm »

So much obsession. So much cant.

The article isn't about Trump but about what Trump's victory means. How the assumed leftist zeitgeist has been shown to be hollow and false.

@Emjay

And the Trumpgeist is equally hollow and false.
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« Reply #199 on: December 29, 2016, 10:00:48 pm »
Only to those who have been in a coma for the last 40 years. Some of his worst behavior has come during the campaign but I'm sure we're past all that now.  :silly:

We're apparently supposed to pretend we don't know what we know, and that Trump isn't who he is, so we can be "optimistic."
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

"Sometimes I think the Church would be better off if we would call a moratorium on activity for about six weeks and just wait on God to see what He is waiting to do for us. That's what they did before Pentecost."   - A. W. Tozer

Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.