California professor in hiding after anti-Trump rant

[Free Vulcan]

All insults now.

Back up your claim.  *YOU* were the one who said it "easy".

Prove it.

Why should I have to do so? I already gave you search terms which you could plug yourself into any search engine and get a zillion hits. If you aren't going to bother with that, any specifics I post are going to be dismissed anyway. You are far more interested in 'winning the debate' via sophistry.

Anyone that denies the well documented actions of George Soros, and demands proof of such, is a leftist with no desire for intellectual honesty. Not if you can't take the time to enter three simple search terms.

[HonestJohn]

Why should I have to do so? I already gave you search terms which you could plug yourself into any search engine and get a zillion hits. If you aren't going to bother with that, any specifics I post are going to be dismissed anyway. You are far more interested in 'winning the debate' via sophistry.

Anyone that denies the well documented actions of George Soros, and demands proof of such, is a leftist with no desire for intellectual honesty. Not if you can't take the time to enter three simple search terms.

None of which answers your claim or my OP.

I doubt you even remember the reason why this even started without having to first look it up.

Now, I'd normally refresh your memory with a link.  But since you are so adamant that *YOU* shouldn't be held to that standard... I'm not, either.  (Do unto others and all that.)

When you want to come back up to my level, I'll extend the same.

[Free Vulcan]

None of which answers your claim or my OP.

I doubt you even remember the reason why this even started without having to first look it up.

Now, I'd normally refresh your memory with a link.  But since you are so adamant that *YOU* shouldn't be held to that standard... I'm not, either.  (Do unto others and all that.)

When you want to come back up to my level, I'll extend the same.

You can't be at a level when you refuse to spout anything other than 'venemous lies' in response to statements about Soros' political activities, and refuse to even bother to be up to speed on knowledge that's already out there.  At this point you apparently don't even know why you're arguing.

[HonestJohn]

You can't be at a level when you refuse to spout anything other than 'venemous lies' in response to statements about Soros' political activities, and refuse to even bother to be up to speed on knowledge that's already out there.  At this point you apparently don't even know why you're arguing.

And I'm still waiting for any link showing American Liberals using, as a matter of course, violence against conservatives (not a lone wack-job, else we get into a Dylan Roof situation). 

Not an a-hole funding organizations you don't care for.

You're the one saying how easy it is to find and show.  I say it's bull.

You made the claim, prove it.

[Free Vulcan]

And I'm still waiting for any link showing American Liberals using, as a matter of course, violence against conservatives (not a lone wack-job, else we get into a Dylan Roof situation). 

Not an a-hole funding organizations you don't care for.

You're the one saying how easy it is to find and show.  I say it's bull.

You made the claim, prove it.

Ah yes, already shifting, narrowing, and qualifying the criteria, to make it easier to discredit.

Why should I work to provide information to the intellectually dishonest, who's asking me to prove the sun exists on a cloudy rainy day?

[jpsb]

Yes.

And by your own assertion, this should be easy.

"Leftists", "progressives" and so called "liberals"  are really Marxists. There are many examples of Marxists killing millions to silence political opposition.

[jpsb]

And I'm still waiting for any link showing American Liberals using, as a matter of course, violence against conservatives (not a lone wack-job, else we get into a Dylan Roof situation). 

Not an a-hole funding organizations you don't care for.

You're the one saying how easy it is to find and show.  I say it's bull.

You made the claim, prove it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

Peaceful Protest to Violent Revolution: The Evolution of SDS and the Weathermen

[sneakypete]

And I'm still waiting for any link showing American Liberals using, as a matter of course, violence against conservatives (not a lone wack-job, else we get into a Dylan Roof situation). 

Not an a-hole funding organizations you don't care for.

You're the one saying how easy it is to find and show.  I say it's bull.

You made the claim, prove it.

@HonestJohn

Use the keywords "Black Lives Matter" or "La Raza",goober.

If that's not enough to pull your trigger,look using "Unions" and "elections".

[CSM]

And I'm still waiting for any link showing American Liberals using, as a matter of course, violence against conservatives (not a lone wack-job, else we get into a Dylan Roof situation). 

Not an a-hole funding organizations you don't care for.

You're the one saying how easy it is to find and show.  I say it's bull.

You made the claim, prove it.

@HonestJohn The problem with your position is that you would discount every example we can provide to you under the guise of "it is a lone wack-job."  I see 5 active stories on TBR that involve leftist violence, however much like the "lone wolf" blinders the left wears regarding terrorist acts, you will wear yours regarding leftist violence.

How many violent acts will it take before we can accept that the leadership's tolerance of violence by these individuals is creating a violent culture?

[the_doc]

All insults now.

Back up your claim.  *YOU* were the one who said it "easy".

Prove it.

I think I can help you fellows cool off.  Free Vulcan was sort of exaggerating, sort of not exaggerating when he said "Leftists will [a future tense word, BTW] gut, butcher, slaughter, imprison, torture, and enslave anyone that gets in their way."

In the first place, we have not seen many examples of gory savagery in America from America's openly professing Leftists.  The ambushing and massacre of cops present some examples of murderous brutality by Leftists, but those examples do not include all of the things that Free Vulcan itemized. 

On the other hand, the radicals at the top of the Left definitely have an international history of large-scale savagery--including most if not all of the horrible stuff that Free Vulcan mentions.
 
Probably even more important--and immediately shocking--is the savagery of Radical Islam.  Are they Leftists?  Well, not in the way that we normally define the Left.  However, the Global Socialist conspirators are right now using the Radical Islamists as pawns to conceal their own plans for destroying our Republic.  And I think that if we don't stop them soon, we will [the future tense again] see the radicals of the Left orchestrating in America the very atrocities that Free Vulcan mentioned.

So, I would say you're both right.  I would recommend that you drop the subject.     

[the_doc]

I would add that too much in-fighting is counterproductive.  Some is necessary, I think--for example, the ongoing spats between Trump's rather mindless devotees and the Constitutional stalwarts trying to steer Trump to honest Constitutional patriotism--but our immediate problem is our war on Radical Socialism and its very strange connection to Radical Islam. 

I think we ought to throw our support publicly, as a supposedly meaningful conservative website, to Joe Arpaio's investigation of the Birth Certificate.  (Ah, but so far, the Birther Conspiracy is still being stupidly dismissed by TBR members who have never looked into it.)

[Free Vulcan]

I think I can help you fellows cool off.  Free Vulcan was sort of exaggerating, sort of not exaggerating when he said "Leftists will [a future tense word, BTW] gut, butcher, slaughter, imprison, torture, and enslave anyone that gets in their way."

In the first place, we have not seen many examples of gory savagery in America from America's openly professing Leftists.  The ambushing and massacre of cops present some examples of murderous brutality by Leftists, but those examples do not include all of the things that Free Vulcan itemized. 

On the other hand, the radicals at the top of the Left definitely have an international history of large-scale savagery--including most if not all of the horrible stuff that Free Vulcan mentions.
 
Probably even more important--and immediately shocking--is the savagery of Radical Islam.  Are they Leftists?  Well, not in the way that we normally define the Left.  However, the Global Socialist conspirators are right now using the Radical Islamists as pawns to conceal their own plans for destroying our Republic.  And I think that if we don't stop them soon, we will [the future tense again] see the radicals of the Left orchestrating in America the very atrocities that Free Vulcan mentioned.

So, I would say you're both right.  I would recommend that you drop the subject.   

Well I think you get the complexity of it. The whole discussion begin with my comment that Leftists don't like it when it's brought back to the kitchen. They do like to dish it out though, but they are very passive-aggressive about it. Attacking you, but justifying it by claiming they are the victims of something you did, or doing, and especially crying loud when you retaliate or defend yourself.

It's not random either. It's practically a cottage industry, funded by rich guys like Tom Steyer and George Soros, and supported by regular and social media, and institutionalized by the various govt and NGO's, all sorts of willing useful idiots and minions participating. No, it's not an overtly organized, top down command and control structure, but the hive mind mentality of liberals makes that not necessary for the network to operate in that manner. Nobody in the game, like this professor, is naive to the rules or anything all in for the agenda and goals behind it.

So while we don't have the revolution and mass genocide in this country, yet, those at the top are actively trying to ratchet, agitate, disrupt and Cloward-Piven things into chaos, then a power vacuum, then revolution and dictatorship with all the oppression and genocide to follow - the same old leftist formula as always. No one has to go any farther then Obama buddy Bill Ayers to confirm that, and this professor is more than happy to be part of that.

To say that that's not happening after 8 years of Obama is something that comes from someone who simply doesn't want to see. Which is why I don't get all that put out when some mouthy leftist professor gets a butt ton heaped back on them. They have zero problem heaping it on you.

[the_doc]

So while we don't have the revolution and mass genocide in this country, yet, those at the top are actively trying to ratchet, agitate, disrupt and Cloward-Piven things into chaos, then a power vacuum, then revolution and dictatorship with all the oppression and genocide to follow - the same old leftist formula as always. No one has to go any farther then Obama buddy Bill Ayers to confirm that, and this professor is more than happy to be part of that.

To say that that's not happening after 8 years of Obama is something that comes from someone who simply doesn't want to see. Which is why I don't get all that put out when some mouthy leftist professor gets a butt ton heaped back on them. They have zero problem heaping it on you.

I agree.  And I think our best weapon for fighting back at this time is Arpaio's overwhelming evidence of the Birth Certificate forgery. I honestly think we could show that our POTUS is an enemy combatant in our very strange war for the Republic.  If we can force this mess into the public, we could deal a crushing blow to the Alinskyites and their useful multicultural idiots.   

Ah, but a shockingly high percentage of TBR members are saying We can't go there.  Well, I say we must go there.  Damn the torpedos of the media and the cowardly politicos in the GOP.  If Trump picks up on this and does the right thing, it will be the very first time I will praise him.

[truth_seeker]

I agree.  And I think our best weapon for fighting back at this time is Arpaio's overwhelming evidence of the Birth Certificate forgery. I honestly think we could show that our POTUS is an enemy combatant in our very strange war for the Republic.  If we can force this mess into the public, we could deal a crushing blow to the Alinskyites and their useful multicultural idiots.   

Ah, but a shockingly high percentage of TBR members are saying We can't go there.  Well, I say we must go there.  Damn the torpedos of the media and the cowardly politicos in the GOP.  If Trump picks up on this and does the right thing, it will be the very first time I will praise him.

Trump or any other incoming President has a limited amount of political capital. To "make America great" again, he should avoid distractions.

Obama's birth certificate is, in my opinion,, a pointless distraction. To begin, you are taking on 90% of black Americans, who see it as an attempt to discredit their guy (and their race, by extension).

Better to focus on jobs, the economy, fighting Islamic terror, reducing illegal immigration, etc.

 

[Free Vulcan]

I agree.  And I think our best weapon for fighting back at this time is Arpaio's overwhelming evidence of the Birth Certificate forgery. I honestly think we could show that our POTUS is an enemy combatant in our very strange war for the Republic.  If we can force this mess into the public, we could deal a crushing blow to the Alinskyites and their useful multicultural idiots.   

Ah, but a shockingly high percentage of TBR members are saying We can't go there.  Well, I say we must go there.  Damn the torpedos of the media and the cowardly politicos in the GOP.  If Trump picks up on this and does the right thing, it will be the very first time I will praise him.

Strangely, in addition to tactically and strategically, you may be right that dropping it after he's gone may be better than while he still is.

If done right, it could pop Zero's 'legacy' like a balloon. And to a liberal, the legacy narrative is as close to holy scripture as you're going to get. To show it was all fake if not openly hostile like you point out would cut them off at the knees.

[the_doc]

Trump or any other incoming President has a limited amount of political capital. To "make America great" again, he should avoid distractions.

Obama's birth certificate is, in my opinion,, a pointless distraction. To begin, you are taking on 90% of black Americans, who see it as an attempt to discredit their guy (and their race, by extension).

Better to focus on jobs, the economy, fighting Islamic terror, reducing illegal immigration, etc.

You are pushing a populist version of politics-as-usual, which is precisely what got us into this Boiling Frog pot.  Politics-as-usual will not get us out of it.  We have to SMASH the pot of corruption that we are flopping around in.  Quit worrying about backlash.  Quit worrying about political capital.  Such worries are the most serious distractions of all.

I  say we ought to get into position for what was known in the Vietnam Era as a Broken Arrow Strike (not the modern code for a lost nuke).  We could be overrun by jihadists and BLM freaks and drug cartel soldiers even while Trump is busy "making America great again."  When the SHTF, as I'm afraid it will even under Trump, our new POTUS will have no weapons left.

Meantime, I hear guys like you saying, Oh, the BC investigation is just a distraction.  Well, I happen to believe the evidence is exposing the worst criminal fraud in U.S. history. Oh, but it's just a distraction?

I recently met a pro-American fellow from Kenya who said "You Americans are just plain stupid."  (If you keep saying We can't go there, I will publicly urge you to change your screen name, truth_seeker, to "naïve_cover-up_artist"--or maybe just "dying-frog.")
 

[doghouse]

As I read this thread what I see is some who deny to themselves and others the big money on the left providing busses to transport paid protesters to the anti trump demonstrations/riots and the well organized race riots after clean LOE shooting of thugs caught in the act of violence and felonious behavior.

Some folks need to remember these well proven incidents of big left wing money instigating and paying people to be involved in mass domestic terrorism.

Again a simple search displays the truth in my words. 

[sneakypete]

Trump or any other incoming President has a limited amount of political capital. To "make America great" again, he should avoid distractions.

Obama's birth certificate is, in my opinion,, a pointless distraction. To begin, you are taking on 90% of black Americans, who see it as an attempt to discredit their guy (and their race, by extension).

Better to focus on jobs, the economy, fighting Islamic terror, reducing illegal immigration, etc.

@truth_seeker

I couldn't agree more.

[HonestJohn]

Ah yes, already shifting, narrowing, and qualifying the criteria, to make it easier to discredit.

Why should I work to provide information to the intellectually dishonest, who's asking me to prove the sun exists on a cloudy rainy day?

Because you answered the call.  If you didn't want to, why'd you even bother to comment?

Now put your money where your mouth is.

[truth_seeker]

You are pushing a populist version of politics-as-usual, which is precisely what got us into this Boiling Frog pot.  Politics-as-usual will not get us out of it.  We have to SMASH the pot of corruption that we are flopping around in.  Quit worrying about backlash.  Quit worrying about political capital.  Such worries are the most serious distractions of all.

I  say we ought to get into position for what was known in the Vietnam Era as a Broken Arrow Strike (not the modern code for a lost nuke).  We could be overrun by jihadists and BLM freaks and drug cartel soldiers even while Trump is busy "making America great again."  When the SHTF, as I'm afraid it will even under Trump, our new POTUS will have no weapons left.

Meantime, I hear guys like you saying, Oh, the BC investigation is just a distraction.  Well, I happen to believe the evidence is exposing the worst criminal fraud in U.S. history. Oh, but it's just a distraction?

I recently met a pro-American fellow from Kenya who said "You Americans are just plain stupid."  (If you keep saying We can't go there, I will publicly urge you to change your screen name, truth_seeker, to "naïve_cover-up_artist"--or maybe just "dying-frog.")
 

You don't win arguments with me, by playing games with my "handle" of 18+ years.

You are free to pursue the BC issue to your heart's content. But I do not think it advances the cause of conservatism at this time. Nor would pursuit of FDR's mistress, JFK's mistresses, Clinton's rapes, the OJ murders,  etc.

[HonestJohn]

@HonestJohn The problem with your position is that you would discount every example we can provide to you under the guise of "it is a lone wack-job."  I see 5 active stories on TBR that involve leftist violence, however much like the "lone wolf" blinders the left wears regarding terrorist acts, you will wear yours regarding leftist violence.

How many violent acts will it take before we can accept that the leadership's tolerance of violence by these individuals is creating a violent culture?

If you want to go there, then we're just as violent with our Dylan Roof's and our Bundy ranch and the Oregon occupation and our abortion doctor killers.

If you don't want to count those, then we can't count anything similar from their side.

[HonestJohn]

I think I can help you fellows cool off.  Free Vulcan was sort of exaggerating, sort of not exaggerating when he said "Leftists will [a future tense word, BTW] gut, butcher, slaughter, imprison, torture, and enslave anyone that gets in their way."

In the first place, we have not seen many examples of gory savagery in America from America's openly professing Leftists.  The ambushing and massacre of cops present some examples of murderous brutality by Leftists, but those examples do not include all of the things that Free Vulcan itemized. 

On the other hand, the radicals at the top of the Left definitely have an international history of large-scale savagery--including most if not all of the horrible stuff that Free Vulcan mentions.
 
Probably even more important--and immediately shocking--is the savagery of Radical Islam.  Are they Leftists?  Well, not in the way that we normally define the Left.  However, the Global Socialist conspirators are right now using the Radical Islamists as pawns to conceal their own plans for destroying our Republic.  And I think that if we don't stop them soon, we will [the future tense again] see the radicals of the Left orchestrating in America the very atrocities that Free Vulcan mentioned.

So, I would say you're both right.  I would recommend that you drop the subject.   

And I'd agree with this.  Well, except for the Global Socialist/Radical Islamist bit.

I see that as the reverse, with Radical Islamists using socialism to further their agenda.  Radical Islamists are not liberal or leftist, but more fascists who use religion to keep their subjects in line.  And they like to fuse in some socialism into their system to keep their subjects content.

[Free Vulcan]

Because you answered the call.  If you didn't want to, why'd you even bother to comment?

Now put your money where your mouth is.

Yawn. I think you're pretty much discredited at this point.

[HonestJohn]

Yawn. I think you're pretty much discredited at this point.

More insults, no substance.

[the_doc]

And I'd agree with this.  Well, except for the Global Socialist/Radical Islamist bit.

I see that as the reverse, with Radical Islamists using socialism to further their agenda.  Radical Islamists are not liberal or leftist, but more fascists who use religion to keep their subjects in line.  And they like to fuse in some socialism into their system to keep their subjects content.

I agree with the last two sentences.  And if you will re-read my post, you'll see that I refused to call the Radical Isalmists "Leftists."  Hardcore Islamists are actually more like religious Nazis (as you were essentially saying, I think);  in fact, some pretty important Muslim factions have a history of alliance with the German Nazis. 

Regarding your opening remark:  I would point out that the mere fact that the Islamists are willing to use Socialism to advance their agenda does not overrule my claim that the Socialists are using the Muslims to advance their agenda.  Their agendas have actually flowed together in our day.  The Radical Socialists and the Radical Islamists both want to destroy Christians and Jews. The Radical Socialists and the Radical Islamists both want to destroy the Big Satan (America) and the Little Satan (Israel).  And both the Radical Socialists and the Radical Islamists want One-World Government.  (Maybe they will eventually duke it out to determine the type of world dictatorship that would be set up--but right now, they mainly want to destroy the USA.)