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The Ashley Madison hacking stuff is out there in the public. Very trivial to search through it to find someone.


If you're name is in that hack, don't do any primadonna stuff, or you open yourself up to that kind of stuff.

My understanding is that the hack is by email, so you'd have to know the email address someone is using to make that link.  Apparently, they found this guy's email some other way, and then linked it.

The best thing about that story was it turned out that the vast majority of the women on their were fake, so it was basically a giant sausage fest.

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The Ashley Madison hacking stuff is out there in the public. Very trivial to search through it to find someone.


If you're name is in that hack, don't do any primadonna stuff, or you open yourself up to that kind of stuff.

One thing though we've found with others listed in the AM hack is that we don't know for sure if that is the same person. Although this could just be the claim from people making excuses for why their email was there, it isn't unusual for hackers or trolls to use other people's email addresses to sign up for sites like this, both for smearing and just to use an address not associated with yourself.

If you take the AM part out, the rest is trivial. He has $200K in debt. I'm sure many here do as well depending on the mortgage value of their house. He declared bankruptcy. Not unusual. Not everyone is perfect. Using those things to smear someone due to political differences reeks of the worst of what Dems do. It has now infected our side.

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Using those things to smear someone due to political differences reeks of the worst of what Dems do. It has now infected our side.


Haha, you never heard of Lee Atwater I take it? "Our side" has always been doing this crap.

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Source of the article: Charles C. Johnson. (Not to be confused with Charles F. Johnson, who infamously flipped to the left after Obama was elected.) Charles C. Johnson's notorious for pushing fake scandals. A quick Internet search turns up a litany of false news reports and abusive behavior, so much that he's apparently been permanently banned from Twitter.

Roger Stone's name was in the AM data hack, too... but he at least admitted what it was really about: political hacks throw their opponents' names into the mud all the time.

Yep.

Charles C. Johnson is a pretty vile man.  He's earned his place in the hereafter.

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This is the kind of article that tells me the source site should never be visited.

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The Ashley Madison hacking stuff is out there in the public. Very trivial to search through it to find someone.


If you're name is in that hack, don't do any primadonna stuff, or you open yourself up to that kind of stuff.

It only matters if you care about it.  I couldn't give two s**ts. (or one s**t, for that matter)

However, I do look more poorly at those that would try and dig this sort of thing up.  The same for those that spread it and use it as justification for their own vile behavior.

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Finally, the entire structure of the system supports the idea that the election of the President and Vice-President is intended to be determined by the states, and if the states wish to secure their decision by a requirement that the electors they appoint follow the direction of the Legislature, that is not remotely inconsistent with the Constitution.

What you say isn't really correct.  The electoral college as originally envisioned was supposed to be a special institution made up of representatives selected by the states, the sole purpose of which was to select the next president.  It wasn't intended to represent the views of the populace particularly, but to make a sober selection of the best person to hold the position of president for the next four years.  Read this for more elucidation:

http://www.electoralcollegehistory.com/electoral/federalist68.asp
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Trump is still a bigger perv than this guy

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I'm sure all these personal attacks on Electors will work out just great in the end.  Carry on.

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GotNews and Zero Hedge is IMO just about as reputable as Superstation95 and Infowars (UFO’s and ancient pyramids in Antarctica “articles” notwithstanding - /s).

The Zero Hedge “article” is a copy and pasted verbatim from Charles C. Johnson’s GotNews site.

Charles C. Johnson likes to think of himself as an “investigative journalist” but he has a rather inconsistent and somewhat shady reputation. 

Johnson does do some good research and he gets a few things right, i.e. the Rolling Stone “Jackie” article, finding out that Elizabeth O'Bagy, a foreign policy analyst did not have a Ph.D. from Georgetown University as she had claimed on her application to the Institute for the Study of War.  Then again some claim Johnson’s own resume is a bit puffed up.

Johnson also gets a lot wrong and his “research” is often sloppy and sometimes irresponsible, i.e. publishing a picture and some personal information of someone he believed to be that of the said “Jackie” which turned out to be not the same person;  falsely accusing U.S. Senator Bob Menendez (D-NJ) of soliciting underage prostitutes in the Dominican Republic (not that Menendez isn’t dirty as Hell but this particular accusation fell apart – a criminal investigation of the case found no evidence and the women making the allegations later admitted they had been paid to make the claims by a local lawyer, someone with possible ties to the Cuban government); and publishing an article reporting that New York Times reporter David D. Kirkpatrick was arrested for exhibitionism and posing for Playgirl - Johnson's source for the Playgirl claim was a January 22, 1990, article in The Daily Princetonian, which was later revealed to be satirical. FWIW - Johnson was forced to apologize to Kirkpatrick.

He also IIRC was involved in and offered money for photos of Senator Thad Cochran’s wife in her nursing home bed.

And IIRC, Johnson may have also been the original source for the “story” picked up by many other sites  including ConservativeTree(Nut)House and Breitbart that claimed that the Liz Mair – anti-Trump - Make America Awesome PAC that ran the ad with a semi-nude Melania Trump pic was connected to a Carly Fiorina PAC and ergo to Ted Cruz, because both PAC’s shared the same PO Box address, but that was only because they happened to use the services of Chris Marston and his company Election CFO – which many PACs and Republican campaigns use.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3414857/posts?page=95#95

That alone makes me at least somewhat suspicious of Johnson’s claims regarding the PO Box addresses, especially since many charities will use an outside accounting firm that will perform among other things like the tax filings, may also collect and deposit and process donations and use a common PO Box belonging to that firm, used for many of their clients.

As to the Ashley Madison claim, I just don’t know. Yes, many people including the pervy Duggars’ son were outed as a result of the AM hack, but then again some people have been the subject of having their email addresses hacked and their ID’s and CC numbers stolen and used for nefarious purposes, so I’d like to see more evidence before I’d use Johnson’s screen shot alone as convicting Suprum. 

Heck. I still every month or two, get spam emails from hardcore porn sites from my eldest niece’s ex-husband’s email address after she signed him up, using his Yahoo email and his CC info to sign him up for them as revenge against him during their very nasty and protracted divorce. He has changed his password many times and tried to close and no longer uses that email address, but I still occasionally get spam emails from it.

The bankruptcy is IMO no big deal. Heck I went through one. My older brother went through two. That doesn’t make me or my brother bad persons (I hope) and Trump has utilized bankruptcy laws to his advantage more than once – just saying.

As to “electors” not voting as their state did, I’d have to research more. I believe that individual states legislate as to how their electors must vote or whether or not they allow uncommitted electors or allow “faithless” electors.

I will point out however that we are a Republic and not a Democracy.

The Electoral College mechanism and the peculiar phenomenon of faithless electors provided for within it, was, in part, deliberately created as a safety measure not only to prevent a scenario of tyranny of the majority, but also to prevent the use of democracy to overthrow democracy for authoritarianism, dictatorship, kleptocracy, or other system of oppressive government.[4] American founding father

Alexander Hamilton writing to Jefferson from the Constitutional Convention argued of the fear regarding the use of pure direct democracy by the majority to elect a demagogue who, rather than work for the benefit of all citizens, set out to either harm those in the minority or work only for those of the upper echelon. As articulated by Hamilton, one reason the Electoral College was created was so "that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications."[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector

Let’s say, just for the purposes of speculation and discussion, that between today and when the EC casts their votes, that something really bad comes out about Trump, something so bad such as irrefutable proof of Trump working directly with Putin to throw the election in Trump’s favor or something else just as bad if not worse, something so bad that it would or should disqualify him from being sworn in as POTUS. Conversely, if Hillary had won the electoral vote and likewise additional information came out irrefutably disqualifying her from serving.

Should the electors in that case be forced to vote as their state voted in early November or allowed to, presuming the voters had made a bad choice based on information not available on election day, save the Republic from the voter’s bad choice?

Hamilton seemed to think they had that discretion.

In truth and IMO, something that many people forget is that when we go to our polling place on the first Tuesday in November every four years to cast our ballot for POTUS, we are NOT actually voting for the POTUS and the VP candidate BUT we are voting for the slate of our state’s electors, voting for them to be our representatives in the Electoral College.

As the electors are for the most part elected by either their Republican or Democratic state party apparatuses, the slate of state electors elected are going to cast their votes accordingly based on if that state voted for either the Republican or Democratic slate of electors.

But if the electors are forced to vote as their state voted, then why have any electors at all?

Why have an Electoral College at all?

Why not just eliminate it all together and assign the EC college votes based on the results of the election immediately after the election results are certified and without the “formality” of having any electors voting, or why not just eliminate the EC college all together and go with the popular vote?

What you say isn't really correct.  The electoral college as originally envisioned was supposed to be a special institution made up of representatives selected by the states, the sole purpose of which was to select the next president.  It wasn't intended to represent the views of the populace particularly, but to make a sober selection of the best person to hold the position of president for the next four years.  Read this for more elucidation:

http://www.electoralcollegehistory.com/electoral/federalist68.asp

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But if the electors are forced to vote as their state voted, then why have any electors at all?

Why have an Electoral College at all?


Exactly.

There is a reason that delegates, electors, representatives etc cannot be charged with a crime when they vote against the will of the people. Freedom of conscience is central to our constitution and its essential. You can no more convict an elector of the "crime" of going against the will of the people than you can convict a juror for refusing to convict a guilty man.

Freedom of conscience is a strongly Christian thing and it goes back to well before the founding of our nation. Our nation wouldn't even exist had our founders been obedient to the will of their constituents. My ancestor Lyman Hall had a strongly loyalist constituency in Georgia. He voted against independence and then changed his vote to support independence. His constituents burned his house to the ground but Hall was still right to do so. Hall recognized that the system imposed by Britain allowed primarily loyalists to vote while excluding the rest.

Meanwhile in Britain there were MPs like Edmund Burke encouraging delegates to vote their conscience despite the wishes of their constituencies.

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There is a reason that delegates, electors, representatives etc cannot be charged with a crime when they vote against the will of the people.


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That is NOT true. It depends on the State of course, but in some cases the delegates that betray their sworn duty to represent their people, can be fined and can possibly face jail time. It is not a simple as you describe.


And if a delegate does become a turncoat, then they can kiss whatever political aspirations they may have had goodbye. Their political careers would end immediately.


Also, if they turn out to be traitorous to their obligation, a judge can simply replace them with a real delegate who will respect the expectations and constraints of the position in which they were entrusted.
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