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Did Federal, Presidential high level leaders know ahead of time Pearl Harbor was coming; had set it up to happen; insured it happened?

Absolutely. The historical evidence is exceedingly conclusive from  multiple sources
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Nonsense. Totally fabricated conspiracy hogwash with absolutely no foundation in fact
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I believe it was at about the 80-95% level. It's horrible to admit it but the evidence is there.
2 (7.4%)
I think there may be a 5-15% chance a lot of it was set-up and insured to happen but I don't want to face such a horrible probability.
1 (3.7%)
Indeed. The globalist oligarchy has been ruthlessly at work a long time.
0 (0%)

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The Global{ist} Elite

. . . it includes a list of the ruling families . . .
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http://theglobalelite.org/globalists/
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This site/page gives the most complete listing of groups and individuals dedicated to globalism of any I've seen. It goes into quite a number of them in  some detail.
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It's a good reference site.
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How sweet of you to say so.

Perhaps if you tell us who put a gun to your head to read such threads, we might be able to do something about it.

Actually, those who are truly the most nuts are those who have not awakened enough to . . .

smell the Kool-Aid.


I don't think there is anything sweet about it. Rightfully questioning the interpretation of history by various authors has been replaced by a sizable minority that sees a conspiracy in everything from today's perspective. I think conspiracy theories have a corrosive effect both on the individuals that subscribe to them and to a lesser extent on the society as a whole...

Anyone trying to judge/ascribe/interrupt the past by today's standards whether mainstream  or "alternative" are dead wrong in my opinion. We live today... :shrug:

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I don't think there is anything sweet about it. Rightfully questioning the interpretation of history by various authors has been replaced by a sizable minority that sees a conspiracy in everything from today's perspective. I think conspiracy theories have a corrosive effect both on the individuals that subscribe to them and to a lesser extent on the society as a whole...

Anyone trying to judge/ascribe/interrupt the past by today's standards whether mainstream  or "alternative" are dead wrong in my opinion. We live today... :shrug:

Some people just want to live in a fantasy world. The only alternative to reality is fantasy and that's all there is to it.

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I don't think there is anything sweet about it. Rightfully questioning the interpretation of history by various authors has been replaced by a sizable minority that sees a conspiracy in everything from today's perspective. I think conspiracy theories have a corrosive effect both on the individuals that subscribe to them and to a lesser extent on the society as a whole...

Anyone trying to judge/ascribe/interrupt the past by today's standards whether mainstream  or "alternative" are dead wrong in my opinion. We live today... :shrug:

Are you suggesting then that conspiracies don't exist, and never did?  Or are you saying rather that we shouldn't "waste time" in trying to figure out if they might have influenced past events?
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Are you suggesting then that conspiracies don't exist, and never did?  Or are you saying rather that we shouldn't "waste time" in trying to figure out if they might have influenced past events?
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The later. Its impossible to judge the past by today's perceptions of reality....

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 @Quix

The test is highly biased. If I ever did decide to visit this little bubble world I would be at a 58.

I don't think Pearl Harbor being allowed to happen falls in the category of conspiracy theory.

And yes there is a "global" oligarchy. Whether it includes top people in all the major countries of the world I don't think so.

There is too much written about the formation of secret societies back to the Sumerians to think otherwise.

The people who held knowledge set themselves up as the ruling class. Been that way ever since.
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The later. Its impossible to judge the past by today's perceptions of reality....

To an extent I agree with you, but I think it can still be useful to study history in this manner, if only to become familiar with the patterns that it (history) can follow.  After all, the past is often prologue.
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How you can call either of the main sources I cited in the OP as 'half-baked bunch of BS that is poorly sourced' seems to mangle the dictionary totally out of rational whack.

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However, I do appreciate the honor of your insults. I'm thinking of notching my screen.

Another book that does not really clear the air of conspiracy, pro or con, but is nevertheless fascinating is And I Was There by Rear Admiral Edwin Layton.

(Yeah, I read a lot of weird stuff.   It's what makes me so charming.)   :whistle:

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I don't think there is anything sweet about it. Rightfully questioning the interpretation of history by various authors has been replaced by a sizable minority that sees a conspiracy in everything from today's perspective. I think conspiracy theories have a corrosive effect both on the individuals that subscribe to them and to a lesser extent on the society as a whole...

Anyone trying to judge/ascribe/interrupt the past by today's standards whether mainstream  or "alternative" are dead wrong in my opinion. We live today... :shrug:

So it is wrong to pursue ideas that your government is capable of making decisions that effect your life in a detrimental way.

Those who don't learn the lessons... 

Take a look at the scandals of administrations down the line.

But people shouldn't try to call anyone out. Just sit back and enjoy your life. Who cares if your neighbor's kid goes off to some crap war for BS reasons and gets the blown to bits. Wasn't YOUR kid. Right?
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You do by spamming the the place with these inane threads . . . [mod snip]

I knew I recognized you. You were the guy beating that big ass war drum when it was decided Saddam had to go.
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So it is wrong to pursue ideas that your government is capable of making decisions that effect your life in a detrimental way.

Those who don't learn the lessons... 

Take a look at the scandals of administrations down the line.

But people shouldn't try to call anyone out. Just sit back and enjoy your life. Who cares if your neighbor's kid goes off to some crap war for BS reasons and gets the blown to bits. Wasn't YOUR kid. Right?

Fred I want to make it clear that this post is not referring to you personally just my observations ..

Well my friend I was thinking back today on Pearl Harbor, lost an uncle who was 23 piloting a bomber over Germany, another at 28 on Siapan winning the Silver Star. The family served in Korea, Vietnam and still serving this great country in Iraq and Afghanistan today

Quite frankly, I have little regard for the opinions of those who who have never served. I remember those who thought it was cool to spit on a soldier.. I found it was cool to cram that spit up their azz....

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Fred I want to make it clear that this post is not referring to you personally just my observations ..

Well my friend I was thinking back today on Pearl Harbor, lost an uncle who was 23 piloting a bomber over Germany, another at 28 on Siapan winning the Silver Star. The family served in Korea, Vietnam and still serving this great country in Iraq and Afghanistan today

Quite frankly, I have little regard for the opinions of those who who have never served. I remember those who thought it was cool to spit on a soldier.. I found it was cool to cram that spit up their azz....

I try not to take much personally here, there, or anywhere. This family lost people along the way. I didn't serve. Three major players influenced me not to serve. Grandfather-WWI.  Mentor, a college prof-WWII. And My dad-Korea.

They all told me if there was a need to serve, as was the case for WWII, then be the first to go.

They ALL advised to do something else. There really wasn't much call for me to join up.

I think FDR knew. It was the best way to get us directly involved in Europe. Letting Hitler take all of Europe was a bad idea. I also think they underestimated the ferocity of the Japanese. The Japanese had field tested tactics, weapons, and soldiers from their conflicts in neighboring countries--China especially--that we didn't understand. My friend, the professor, related that information to me in numerous lengthy conversations.

I am not or ever will diss anyone who served. I hate the government. I don't trust the government. That's all.
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I try not to take much personally here, there, or anywhere. This family lost people along the way. I didn't serve. Three major players influenced me not to serve. Grandfather-WWI.  Mentor, a college prof-WWII. And My dad-Korea.

They all told me if there was a need to serve, as was the case for WWII, then be the first to go.

They ALL advised to do something else. There really wasn't much call for me to join up.

I think FDR knew. It was the best way to get us directly involved in Europe. Letting Hitler take all of Europe was a bad idea. I also think they underestimated the ferocity of the Japanese. The Japanese had field tested tactics, weapons, and soldiers from their conflicts in neighboring countries--China especially--that we didn't understand. My friend, the professor, related that information to me in numerous lengthy conversations.

I am not or ever will diss anyone who served. I hate the government. I don't trust the government. That's all.

Distrust of the government is what this nation is founded on.

The military is not for everyone, and serving or not serving has nothing to do with with ones patriotism IMO.

I do think that if one has served, they will come away with the real life experience that government is full of idiots, and government is simply incapable of of  doing what those believing in a conspiracy theory think it is capable of..

Look at Obamacare, how can anyone believe a government incapable of roiling that out, could also be capable of running a multi-generational conspiracy? When it comes down to it, distrust of government, in my belief, is based on the fact that big government doesn't work by design...it makes no sense to  me to believe a government that doesn't work everyday is capable of running a 75 year  a conspiracy ... :shrug:

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Distrust of the government is what this nation is founded on.

The military is not for everyone, and serving or not serving has nothing to do with with ones patriotism IMO.

I do think that if one has served, they will come away with the real life experience that government is full of idiots, and government is simply incapable of of  doing what those believing in a conspiracy theory think it is capable of..

Look at Obamacare, how can anyone believe a government incapable of roiling that out, could also be capable of running a multi-generational conspiracy? When it comes down to it, distrust of government, in my belief, is based on the fact that big government doesn't work by design...it makes no sense to  me to believe a government that doesn't work everyday is capable of running a 75 year  a conspiracy ... :shrug:

I think you fail to understand the realities.

The oligarchy is a fairly small, group with intensely shared goals and the power and wealth to carry them out--in a diversity of ways.

They have hired child prodigies--typically at young ages--in a variety of fields. Money is no object at all. They have particularly hired a lot of very sharp psychologists and sociologists who have helped them manipulate the culture and society toward their goals with a minimum of awareness and a minimum of set-backs.

One of those psychologists was a White  House 'Fellow'--though she was a woman--in Jimmy Carter's reign. She was one of my PhD profs. I just happen to know a fair amount of what I'm talking about from first hand dialogues in addition to reading 10's of thousands of pages of documentation on the  oligarchy's goals, strategies and efforts.

Note: I'm not per se saying your responses fit the below description at all--am spring-boarding off your responses to make a comment.

All this hostile, bullying, purportedly 'obvious' logic against 'conspiracy theories' is unmitigated uninformed ignorance that will turn out to be brazenly embarrassing because the evidence has been piled several stories high in plain sight for decades. There's NO 'theory' to it. It's ABSOLUTE FACT as documented by warehouses full of evidence for many decades--certainly the last 150 years and in some cases--from the beginning of our USA.

Even in terms of the U.S. military . . . yeah, run of the mill stuff tends to typically be a Laurel & Hardy mess.

On the other hand, when a black ops group decides or is ordered to do something, they can pull it off amazingly slickly.

The UFO crash retrieval teams as outlined by my close relative are a case in point. There are occasional mess-ups but on the whole, such operations go off with little to no hitch and amazingly quickly sanitize the site and neutralize the witnesses with threats and/or ridicule.

So, even with the military--it's a mixed bag.

Certainly tyranny and socialism etc are messy, inefficient etc.

Yet, as Hitler showed . . . he got the trains running . . . and, was well funded by Bush's grandfather to insure Hitler's success. Besides, he and Mao, Lenin, Stalin (also well funded by the oligarchy) were great trial runs for the tyranny they were planning for the whole planet.
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This 'quiz' might give you some insights. It appears that the great majority of respondents hereon do live in quite a . . . bubble.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/do-you-live-in-a-bubble-a-quiz-2/#

77 - But I would wager that I am in a bubble from the other direction... I am rabidly anti-institutional. I go exactly the opposite direction of the crowd. The 'in thing' always makes me cringe, and thus I am relatively immune to group-think.

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Distrust of the government is what this nation is founded on.

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it makes no sense to  me to believe a government that doesn't work everyday is capable of running a 75 year  a conspiracy ...

Actually, the conspiracy is AT LEAST 400 years old. And solid evidence traces it back to Rome and further to Babylon. Seriously.

Satan HAS been working hard on this for many thousands of years and he has always had willing worshipful stooges. Podesta's "Spirit Cooking" was far from the first evidence of that.

And, the oligarchy and their boss, satan, tend to not easily, well or routinely tolerate those who mess up or fail to comply well and promptly.

There is ABUNDANT, SOLID evidence of  what I've said just above for any bright, fair-minded individual to track down.
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77 - But I would wager that I am in a bubble from the other direction... I am rabidly anti-institutional. I go exactly the opposite direction of the crowd. The 'in thing' always makes me cringe, and thus I am relatively immune to group-think.

It can be said that we  live within a very minimal bubble because we thrive on diversity of perspectives and search out evidence and truth wherever it might lie  and regardless of the nature of the source.

I knew there was a LOT about you I really loved and appreciated . . . and found kindred in a lot of good ways. LOL. Hope that's not aversive, negative, to you.

I've typically found myself odd-man out for exactly the same reasons. Has not been all that fun given my psychodynamics/attachment disorder. LOL.
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I don't view pearl as a conspiracy theory type of thing. I don't think the whole of America really understood the threat Hitler posed. Or the threat the Japanese posed. At the time. If Hitler had taken the UK I think Germany would have been hitting US with missiles.

War with Japan was inevitable. War with Germany was inevitble. If the decision was made for that to be more on our terms, despite the early loss at Pearl, so be it. We won.
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This is why I found that test to be biased.

If I am living in a bubble that is fine. More than fine actually. Since I am the only SOB in it.
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This is why I found that test to be biased.

If I am living in a bubble that is fine. More than fine actually. Since I am the only SOB in it.

I think the point of the 'bubble' term was that individuals in too much of a bubble

had no real, accurate, functional, etc. awareness of who other people were, their values, priorities, goals, and how they lived.

Sooner or later--depending on the numbers involved and the situations involved, that can become costly--even life threatening.

At some point, such a bubble becomes about as functional as the bubble a schizophrenic lives in.

And my point in including it in this thread . . . is that folks who live in a bubble utterly denying the facts of the very real and long-lived, effective, powerful globalist conspiracy stuff operant in our era are setting themselves up to be blooded by such realities in the not distant future--prematurely and maybe somewhat needlessly.
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I don't view pearl as a conspiracy theory type of thing. I don't think the whole of America really understood the threat Hitler posed. Or the threat the Japanese posed. At the time. If Hitler had taken the UK I think Germany would have been hitting US with missiles.

War with Japan was inevitable. War with Germany was inevitble. If the decision was made for that to be more on our terms, despite the early loss at Pearl, so be it. We won.

It has been documented with  a great deal of supporting solid documents that ALL the wars from at least the French Revolution were set-up and lit off by the oligarchy for purposes of geo-political manipulations and reconfigurations toward their ultimate goal of a one world government. The facts of each war other than the above overriding factor . . . were mere details.

Bush's grandfather funded Hitler to insure Hitler was a success. That was documented in a Congressional investigation affirming those basic facts, emphatically. Their globalist cohorts funded the Russian  communist revolution to insure it was a success. And CIA  documents declassified in the last 10 years documented that the globalists in the CIA insured that MAO won the  civil war.
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It has been documented with  a great deal of supporting solid documents that ALL the wars from at least the French Revolution were set-up and lit off by the oligarchy for purposes of geo-political manipulations and reconfigurations toward their ultimate goal of a one world government. The facts of each war other than the above overriding factor . . . were mere details.

Bush's grandfather funded Hitler to insure Hitler was a success. That was documented in a Congressional investigation affirming those basic facts, emphatically. Their globalist cohorts funded the Russian  communist revolution to insure it was a success. And CIA  documents declassified in the last 10 years documented that the globalists in the CIA insured that MAO won the  civil war.

I have read most of that. And watched the shows.

Interesting how people scream about the GOP-Elite. Or the elite in general in DC but won't step that up.

Is it the Council On Foreign Relations I am thinking of now? Do you know about that?
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I need to go to bed Quix. I'll talk tomorrow.

Thanks thanks. Happy sleep.

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It can be said that we  live within a very minimal bubble because we thrive on diversity of perspectives and search out evidence and truth wherever it might lie  and regardless of the nature of the source.

I actually took it over, equating 'loading docks' with 'factory floor' and got an 81.

Take the test over, forgetting what it is for, and use 'Are you a Redneck' as the question. Anyone I know would score high on that thing... Could it be that it's construction was attempted by one with an in-built collegiate liberal bias?

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I knew there was a LOT about you I really loved and appreciated . . . and found kindred in a lot of good ways. LOL. Hope that's not aversive, negative, to you.

Likewise.

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I've typically found myself odd-man out for exactly the same reasons. Has not been all that fun given my psychodynamics/attachment disorder. LOL.

But that's just it - with the exception of my Christian-Messianic bend, I am *not* odd-man-out. There is a giant swath of Jesus-land flyover country that would score well on your test...

And I would suggest that indeed there is a bubble on the other end...