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SOURCE: HOTAIR

URL: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/12/05/red-light-cameras-and-the-anti-poverty-argument/

by Jazz Shaw





In Rochester, New York, the mayor is making a controversial change to the city’s law enforcement strategy. Normally when we’re talking about crime here I’m dealing with murders, sexual assaults and all of the truly horrible things which unfortunately happen. This one, however, has to do with traffic violations. Wait! Don’t stop reading yet… there’s a point to be made here.

Mayor Lovely Warren is preparing to shut down the city’s system of automated red light cameras which record motorists running stop lights and are used to issue tickets. Her complaint isn’t that the cameras don’t work properly or are leading to tickets being incorrectly issued, but with the fact that the tickets are disproportionately issued to low income drivers. (Route Fifty)

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One of the reasons to pull the plug that was cited by Mayor Lovely Warren isn’t often heard in the wide-ranging local government debate over automated traffic enforcement: Violations recorded by the red-light cameras can disproportionately impact areas with higher rates of poverty.

In Rochester, a study commissioned by the city found that there were more total red light violations in five ZIP codes that had the city’s highest rates of poverty.

“I am particularly concerned that too many of these tickets have been issued to people who can least afford to pay them, which is counterproductive to our efforts to reverse our city’s troubling rates of poverty,” Warren said in a statement. “I cannot, in good conscience, wage a fight against poverty while also imposing burdensome fines that that have a disproportionate impact on people living in poverty. That just doesn’t make sense.”

Let’s focus for a moment on the two reasons why this is crazy, no matter how well the headlines might play in social justice circles. The first one should be obvious… this is not a case of discrimination. While I generally disagree, you can at least somewhat sympathize with complaints about stop and frisk or “overly aggressive” policing which takes place in majority minority neighborhoods. There are human cops involved who have to make daily decisions about who to pursue and how to handle each encounter. If the numbers stack up too far on one demographic side of the scale you can justify asking if there is discrimination going on either by race, gender or economic status.

These are cameras. There are nearly fifty of them installed at busy intersections all over the city. They don’t have any magical software which checks to see how expensive the car is, how nice the driver’s clothes are, the color of their skin or any other indicators of economic status. If you run the red light it takes a picture and reports it. If there are more low income people getting tickets through this system it’s because there are more low income people blowing through traffic lights.

The second factor to consider is that these cameras actually work and produce results.

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The Insurance Institute says flipping the switch on the program will likely cost lives. According to their studies, cities that ran with red-light cameras between 2010 and 2014 saw a 21 percent drop in the number of fatal red-light-running crashes, while those that turned their systems off saw a 30 percent increase.

David Goldenberg, a spokesman with the Traffic Safety Coalition, said there’s no question data shows red-light cameras make intersections safer.

“The data is absolutely conclusive that cameras made Rochester roads safer and data from around the country shows that red-light running crashes, injuries and even deaths per capita go up when the cameras get turned off,” he said.

What this story comes down to is yet another case of an elected official forgetting about the rule of law in the interest of some sort of social justice reform. I realize we’re just talking about traffic infractions here, but the fact is that the city (as with pretty much everywhere in the country) has those laws on the books for a reason. You either feel the law is valid and producing positive results for the citizens or you don’t. In this case the data makes it rather obvious. Reducing the number of people running through red lights saves lives. Poverty is a serious problem which needs to be addressed, but giving people a pass on breaking the law – at any level – isn’t solving the problem you’re going after.

By that logic the mayor should direct the police to stop prosecuting people for theft if they are poor because they needed it more. That’s not how this works, Madam Mayor. Your city spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on this system and it worked to reduce traffic fatalities. Now you’re pulling the plug on that investment to score some political points.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2016, 09:12:19 pm by SirLinksALot »

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Red light camera's are installed for one reason and one reason only.  They can use that phony canard the RL Camera Companies use with outdated studies that "prove" camera's save lives... but that is bull shit.  Longer Yellows save lives.     All these camera's do is PRODUCE Revenue.  Lovely is is right to want them gone but for the wrong reasons. 

« Last Edit: December 05, 2016, 09:18:40 pm by Wingnut »

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What an idiot.
I agree, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to pull red light scammeras, but that the poor people disproportionately violate them is not one of them. It is no more legitimate than when the officials in some California cities gave a pass to the poor people who were caught driving without insurance or expired registration, by not towing and impounding their cars. I have been economically depressed to the extreme for the past four plus years, but being of the White persuasion I can guaranty that I would never get the same pass that the poor people talked about in this story.

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First off, these cameras are a scam, but her reasoning for pulling them is nuts. The reason these cameras are hitting the poor and not the rich is because the rich have chauffeurs. They also have special cloaking devises on their Roll Royces to avoid the cameras. Secondly Mayor Lovely Warren does not totally appear to be lovely. That's deceptive.


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I find the whole notion of red light cameras, speed cameras, stop sign cameras, etc. to be shades of Big Brother watching.

Frankly, ANY argument raised to get these abominations deactivated and removed is just fine with me...  ;)

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First off, these cameras are a scam, but her reasoning for pulling them is nuts. The reason these cameras are hitting the poor and not the rich is because the rich have chauffeurs. They also have special cloaking devises on their Roll Royces to avoid the cameras. Secondly Mayor Lovely Warren does not totally appear to be lovely. That's deceptive.



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I'm against all red light cameras and such. The next step is cameras on the highways to photo speeders....something they have in the United Kingdom.  It's all about extracting more income from citizens.
BTW, I'm all for enforcing speed  and other traffic laws. It's just that you only do what is necessary to prevent accidents and deaths...you don't try to extract money from people because they might have accidentally jumped the gun on the lights or something similar.

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I'm against all red light cameras and such. The next step is cameras on the highways to photo speeders....something they have in the United Kingdom.  It's all about extracting more income from citizens.
BTW, I'm all for enforcing speed  and other traffic laws. It's just that you only do what is necessary to prevent accidents and deaths...you don't try to extract money from people because they might have accidentally jumped the gun on the lights or something similar.
There are already states that have been doing this for many years, gots ta keep that revenue rolling in.

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Red light cameras are an abomination.

They strip away the driver's ability to judge the situation at the time and force one to brake (on pain of monetary seizure) *no matter what*.

There is a semi two inches from your rear bumper and the light turns yellow?  Normally, you'd run the light to avoid a rear-end collision.  Now?  Es ist verboten!  Sie brechen! (This is forbidden.  You will brake!)

The end result in an accident, loss of your vehicle, hospitalization and possibly death.

And that's one good reason why red-light cameras are bulls@#t!


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