The Darkness That Surrounds Us: A Mashup

[Quix]

So, This is a No.

We do not permit religion threads for a very good reason. It would be this one, right here.

imho . . . it is not a given topic that is a problem, per se.

It is some individuals unwillingness and/or incapacity to be civil when discussing various topics.

We survived the SElection tolerably.

It's conceivable we could survive even discussing some religious stuff.

One of the problems with censoring it out of the body politic here or anywhere else is that it pervades everything we are and do whether acknowledged, or not.

And with the globalist oligarchy shoving literal satanism down all our throats rushing toward a one world government and one world religion worshiping the literal satan as God . . .

HOW can we discuss world events leading up to that end game and not discuss "religion?"

Being inoffensive . . . or at least not deliberately offensive

vs

being offended are two very different things, imho.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

The violence in the media. Video games, television, cinema, stage.

The softening.

These types of things help people to accept evil in their lives. They become immune to the travesties of reality.

Isis burning people, hacking off heads.

Pedophilia is a yawner.

Abortion is the right to commit murder.

People watching the horrific episode of The Walking Dead. And saying oh I know about the obscenity of the violence and the gore but I like it because it talks about surviving in a post-apocalyptic world.

Oh really now?

Did it have an episode that gave detailed instructions on how to build your own tandoor?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ukb_WoUG2Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ukb_WoUG2Q

To me, that type of show accelerates the agenda of evil and adds rot to your brain and soul.

I don't know about the walking dead as I haven't watched any of it. I have however noticed a lot of movies of the years that seems to have a theme that the world is ending and only one person or special group of people can save it. I think training people into that mindset is a serious problem.

The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. -Patrick Henry

[Mod2]

HOW can we discuss world events leading up to that end game and not discuss "religion?"

I suggest very carefully, as the ban on religion threads is not going to change.

[bigheadfred]

I suggest very carefully, as the ban on religion threads is not going to change.

@Quix

The famous or infamous 'avowed' athiest Jean Paul Sartre is reported to have stated on or close to his death this:

 “I do not feel that I am the product of chance, a speck of dust in the universe, but someone who was expected, prepared, prefigured. In short, a being whom only a Creator could put here; and this idea of a creating hand refers to God.”

My point in bringing up the Catechism is for what it expressly states. And is against Scripture.

So the pervasiveness of darkness. Embedded in every major religion in the world. Idolatry, paganism, spiritualism, mysticism, and flat out deception.

If people feel the need to be a part of ANY organization that wants you to be a FOLLOWER of their creed it is a damn sight better than average chance they are leading you away from the light.

Political, religious, financial, governmental, scientific, or pseudoscientific.

People have very little in the way of any power of discernment. They, as purposed in the other thread I posted, view their morality through rose-colored glasses. So the same with their conservatism. So the same with their salvation.

They want their salvation for free. They don't want or see the need to work for it. REALLY WORK FOR IT. Buying the stairway to heaven. Venal, vicious, callous, capricious, seamy, tawdry, sleazy, bawdy. But every Sunday morning with their neon signs, "Jesus Is Coming".

BAH GAK WAH FAK

So at the end the famous Sartre chokes on his life's work.

So at the end will billions more of the facile automatons.

[bigheadfred]

@Mod2

And thanks for joining in on the conversation. At least a few people are listening.

[Frank Cannon]

I suggest very carefully, as the ban on religion threads is not going to change.

No threads on religion? Guess I'll have the spread the good word the old fashion way. Everyone give me your address and a time that you will be home....

[Cyber Liberty]

@Mod2

And thanks for joining in on the conversation. At least a few people are listening.

I dunno.  Who?

[Neverdul]

I suggest very carefully, as the ban on religion threads is not going to change.

Thanks!

IMO nothing brings up more personal animosity and ill-will on a forum than to get into religious arguments.

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!"

He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too!

Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too!

What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too!

Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too!

Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too!

Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912."

I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

-Emo Philips

[roamer_1]

If people feel the need to be a part of ANY organization that wants you to be a FOLLOWER of their creed it is a damn sight better than average chance they are leading you away from the light.

Political, religious, financial, governmental, scientific, or pseudoscientific.

This is eminently TRUE. And as things boil down to the final end, it will become more and more apparent. The time for choosing has come. It is upon us already.

[bigheadfred]

Thanks!

IMO nothing brings up more personal animosity and ill-will on a forum than to get into religious arguments.

It is only an argument if that is the wish of the people who want to involve themselves in an argument.

Giddy up some free will and decide for yourself. It doesn't have to  involve anyone at a personal level.

[bigheadfred]

Forerunners to Modern Spiritualism:

Emanuel Swedenborg (1688-1772)
by Rev. Simeon Stefanidakis

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi7l5Ls6czQAhUY8GMKHWVxDKEQFggxMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fst.org%2Fspirit2.htm&usg=AFQjCNGnJvEpGRhY1TI9YrvvDLe6Anyjdw&sig2=8HgAat_ICJOaOweUXUqGjQ

In the preface to his Arcana Celestia, Swedenborg writes:

    "Of the Lord's Divine mercy it has been granted me now for several years, to be constantly and uninterruptedly in company with spirits and angels, hearing them converse with each other, and conversing with them. Hence, it has been permitted me to hear and see stupendous things in the other life which has never before come to the knowledge of any man, nor entered into his imagination. I have been instructed concerning different kinds of spirits and the state of souls after death; concerning Hell, or the lamentable state of the unfaithful; concerning Heaven, or the most happy state of the faithful, and particularly concerning the doctrines or faith which is throughout Heaven."

 However, in his Miscellaneous Works, he writes:

    "Spirits narrate things wholly false, and lie. When spirits begin to speak to man, care should be taken not to believe them, for most everything they say is made up by them, and they lie; so if we permitted them to relate what Heaven is, and how things are in Heaven, they would tell so many falsehoods, and with such strong assertion that man would be astonished; wherefore it was not permitted me when spirits were speaking to have any belief in what they stated. They love to feign. Whatever may be the topic spoken of, they think they know it, and if man listens and believes, they insist, and in various ways deceive and seduce."

This massive contradiction clearly indicates that as marvelous a medium as Swedenborg was, his visions and revelations were still subject to earlier philosophical and theological influences. His whole concept of Heaven and Hell was strongly influenced by his Lutheran background. The fact that he, himself, was in constant communication with the Spirit world and promulgated said spirit teachings, while at the same time warning of the deception and falsehood of spirit communicators, is clearly reflective of his general approach to spiritual and theological matters: that he, alone, was the spokesman for those in Spirit.

uh huh
 
 
 
 

[Quix]

Thanks!

IMO nothing . . . {below}

That joke is one of my all time favorites--partly because it is so hideously true.

IMO nothing brings up more personal animosity and ill-will on a forum than to get into religious arguments.

Certainly we human critters seem to be quite CAPABLE of making that far too abundantly true.

However, we just survived a horrific SElection with emotions about as high as on religious topics.

I think we demean, castrate, neuter, ourselves when we roll over and play dead to such dynamics by running away from them like fearful kindergartners.

The vast bulk of us here have demonstrated incredible restraint and civility. Why would "religion" automatically nuke our civility capacities?

I guess I have a very strong bias.

1. As this last SElection demonstrated, RAW UNMITIGATED EVIL has been, is being increasingly loosed in the Nation and on the planet. That's just a fact. People can deny, pretend, rationalize it away; dance all around it until the cows come home but that's just a fact. Those who are inclined to be derisive and dismissive of that assertion may well need to wade into the horrific pizza gate evidence a bit deeper.

2. So . . . as Raw unmitigated Evil increasingly floods the land . . . are we to be limited hereon to discussing it in code?

Dottering Old Tea Matron 1: Why yes, Mildred. I agree, there was insufficient sugar in that situation.

DOTM 2: I should say. And her Chief of Staff could have demonstrated a tanker load more honey, too.

DOTM 3: Not to mention, the Main Stream Media spewed nothing but honey when the uhhhh . . . opposite . . . was neck deep. Is "opposite" an acceptably PC term at this tea?

= = = =

For those who may still be stuck in liberally oligarchy propagandized delusions of recent decades . . . not only is the US of A desperately struggling to continue existing as a viable Nation . . . "under God" or otherwise . . . Each and every individual is also--knowingly or not--fighting for their own existential life and continued existence in any state remotely pleasant and constructive.

Whitewashing those facts won't change them.

Talking about Evil in whatever white-gloved fashion will not accomplish much.

Talking about Evil in whatever manner without talking about the only antidote--lest we jangle civility sensibilities overmuch--won't accomplish much.

The era is approaching at the speed of light when

'He who is not with us is against us.'

'The lukewarm will be spewed into the spittoon.'

'The cowards will find their place in hell alongside the satan worshipers etc.'

'Heart values will be emblazoned across foreheads and daily words and actions for all to see--virtually regardless.'

I honestly don't know how much longer it will even be possible to stand up and be counted (survivably) remotely openly in behalf of GOOD and Rightness.

I do KNOW that if and when we have the opportunity and fail to do so--it will NOT be counted as a strength, a credit, a brownie point, a feather in our cap or a deposit in our Heavenly account. More the opposite, by far.

Therefore what? Hard to say.

I just know that choices and actions and inactions have consequences. Some of the consequences are of eternal and existential import.

We can still sit in fairly comfortable homes with our keyboards in our laps and pontificate rather safely with the oligarchy merely recording our actions in their vast database.

Once those opportunities are obliterated . . . "If only I'd . . . when I had the chance" will not cut much applause from Heaven.

Germany had thousands of good Christians that looked the other way in the early days of Hitler. It was safer. It was more comfortable. It produced less anxiety or distress. It left everyone better able to pretend all was well and life would go on as before endlessly. Besides, he was very skillful at playing the public (& lots of private) sensibilities like a piano.

Life is messy. People are complex and messy.

OCD folks like myself or worse . . . don't like that. We'd like to play things safe and tidy in tidy little boxes with clear, clean and safe--minimally risky boundaries.

That's a delusion, a trap.

1. Life's just not like that regardless of how much we tell ourselves it is.

2. People are just not like that--regardless of how much we desperately need them to be so.

3. We can't go home again. The 1950's are never coming back and had more rot even then than we wanted to admit. We can only go forward into the destiny allotted to us with the thrownness each of us as individuals has been cast into. Shrinking back from that will only bear extremely costly consequences.

4.

= = = =
.
This is an oft quoted but still extremely timely truth:
.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
.
--Martin Niemöller

.
The first 5 or so paragraphs at that link are also very worthwhile reading.
.

= = = =
.
I'm not at all suggesting a mud-slinging free-for-all is remotely desired or worthy. I like to think the individuals and group here are above that. Certainly we can choose and behave above that.
.
I am trying to suggest that wimping out and not rising to the occasion will result in unbearable consequences for every individual guilty of such. That such consequences appear currently unlikely and may well be delayed months or even years--will, THEN, be inconsequential. There will be NO "do-overs."
.
The destruction of any Nation or culture has never been tidy and calm.
.
The destruction of every semblance of civility, good, decency, God-liness, Righteousness, kindness, patience, stability, peaceableness, . . . across the planet . . . is certainly NOT going to be calm or tidy. Pretending otherwise is utterly and thoroughly delusional.
.
And folks who think such a description is hyperbole have not been paying sufficient attention or are not sufficiently informed or thought-ful.
.
'Satan comes down in great fury because he knows his time is short.'
.
Our own Federal Homeland Security Dept has published regulations and instructions labeling Christians and Veterans as terrorists . . . with a not so published plan to eventually exterminate them. Pretending otherwise is, imho, terminally ignorant.
.
Again . . . therefore what, I don't know.
.
I do know that each of us is responsible for our choices and actions, words.
.
And I know that calm civility is not God's highest priority.
.
And I know that we all, ultimately, WILL answer to HIM and HIM alone.
.
Alternate Realities ping list ping.
.
This is not in our forum but I think it is well within the topics central to our concerns in that forum.
.
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[Quix]

This is eminently TRUE. And as things boil down to the final end, it will become more and more apparent. The time for choosing has come. It is upon us already.

YUP.

A Relationship with the One who paid the ultimate price so that we could have such a Relationship--is THE priority.

[Quix]

No threads on religion? Guess I'll have the spread the good word the old fashion way. Everyone give me your address and a time that you will be home....

Just be aware that my attack ferrets are trained to smell {some specific religionists} a mile away.

{joke}

[Idaho_Cowboy]

That joke is one of my all time favorites--partly because it is so hideously true.

Certainly we human critters seem to be quite CAPABLE of making that far too abundantly true.

However, we just survived a horrific SElection with emotions about as high as on religious topics.

I think we demean, castrate, neuter, ourselves when we roll over and play dead to such dynamics by running away from them like fearful kindergartners.

The vast bulk of us here have demonstrated incredible restraint and civility. Why would "religion" automatically nuke our civility capacities?

I guess I have a very strong bias.

1. As this last SElection demonstrated, RAW UNMITIGATED EVIL has been, is being increasingly loosed in the Nation and on the planet. That's just a fact. People can deny, pretend, rationalize it away; dance all around it until the cows come home but that's just a fact. Those who are inclined to be derisive and dismissive of that assertion may well need to wade into the horrific pizza gate evidence a bit deeper.

2. So . . . as Raw unmitigated Evil increasingly floods the land . . . are we to be limited hereon to discussing it in code?

Dottering Old Tea Matron 1: Why yes, Mildred. I agree, there was insufficient sugar in that situation.

DOTM 2: I should say. And her Chief of Staff could have demonstrated a tanker load more honey, too.

DOTM 3: Not to mention, the Main Stream Media spewed nothing but honey when the uhhhh . . . opposite . . . was neck deep. Is "opposite" an acceptably PC term at this tea?

= = = =

For those who may still be stuck in liberally oligarchy propagandized delusions of recent decades . . . not only is the US of A desperately struggling to continue existing as a viable Nation . . . "under God" or otherwise . . . Each and every individual is also--knowingly or not--fighting for their own existential life and continued existence in any state remotely pleasant and constructive.

Whitewashing those facts won't change them.

Talking about Evil in whatever white-gloved fashion will not accomplish much.

Talking about Evil in whatever manner without talking about the only antidote--lest we jangle civility sensibilities overmuch--won't accomplish much.

The era is approaching at the speed of light when

'He who is not with us is against us.'

'The lukewarm will be spewed into the spittoon.'

'The cowards will find their place in hell alongside the satan worshipers etc.'

'Heart values will be emblazoned across foreheads and daily words and actions for all to see--virtually regardless.'

I honestly don't know how much longer it will even be possible to stand up and be counted (survivably) remotely openly in behalf of GOOD and Rightness.

I do KNOW that if and when we have the opportunity and fail to do so--it will NOT be counted as a strength, a credit, a brownie point, a feather in our cap or a deposit in our Heavenly account. More the opposite, by far.

Therefore what? Hard to say.

I just know that choices and actions and inactions have consequences. Some of the consequences are of eternal and existential import.

We can still sit in fairly comfortable homes with our keyboards in our laps and pontificate rather safely with the oligarchy merely recording our actions in their vast database.

Once those opportunities are obliterated . . . "If only I'd . . . when I had the chance" will not cut much applause from Heaven.

Germany had thousands of good Christians that looked the other way in the early days of Hitler. It was safer. It was more comfortable. It produced less anxiety or distress. It left everyone better able to pretend all was well and life would go on as before endlessly. Besides, he was very skillful at playing the public (& lots of private) sensibilities like a piano.

Life is messy. People are complex and messy.

OCD folks like myself or worse . . . don't like that. We'd like to play things safe and tidy in tidy little boxes with clear, clean and safe--minimally risky boundaries.

That's a delusion, a trap.

1. Life's just not like that regardless of how much we tell ourselves it is.

2. People are just not like that--regardless of how much we desperately need them to be so.

3. We can't go home again. The 1950's are never coming back and had more rot even then than we wanted to admit. We can only go forward into the destiny allotted to us with the thrownness each of us as individuals has been cast into. Shrinking back from that will only bear extremely costly consequences.

4.

= = = =
.
This is an oft quoted but still extremely timely truth:
.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
..
The first 5 or so paragraphs at that link are also very worthwhile reading.
.

= = = =
.
I'm not at all suggesting a mud-slinging free-for-all is remotely desired or worthy. I like to think the individuals and group here are above that. Certainly we can choose and behave above that.
.
I am trying to suggest that wimping out and not rising to the occasion will result in unbearable consequences for every individual guilty of such. That such consequences appear currently unlikely and may well be delayed months or even years--will, THEN, be inconsequential. There will be NO "do-overs."
.
The destruction of any Nation or culture has never been tidy and calm.
.
The destruction of every semblance of civility, good, decency, God-liness, Righteousness, kindness, patience, stability, peaceableness, . . . across the planet . . . is certainly NOT going to be calm or tidy. Pretending otherwise is utterly and thoroughly delusional.
.
And folks who think such a description is hyperbole have not been paying sufficient attention or are not sufficiently informed or thought-ful.
.
'Satan comes down in great fury because he knows his time is short.'
.
Our own Federal Homeland Security Dept has published regulations and instructions labeling Christians and Veterans as terrorists . . . with a not so published plan to eventually exterminate them. Pretending otherwise is, imho, terminally ignorant.
.
Again . . . therefore what, I don't know.
.
I do know that each of us is responsible for our choices and actions, words.
.
And I know that calm civility is not God's highest priority.
.
And I know that we all, ultimately, WILL answer to HIM and HIM alone.
.
Alternate Realities ping list ping.
.
This is not in our forum but I think it is well within the topics central to our concerns in that forum.

A couple of thoughts. A large part of the delusion at work is the denial that evil even exists. Our post modern age has brought us to the point where right and wrong are only constructs from Children's stories and those who still believe in them are Quixotic figures to be mocked. Look at the situation in Europe or Obama's attitude towards Muslim terrorist. Few are willing to stand up and name evil as evil.

Thought number two. We aren't supposed to feel at home on this earth and the older I get the more I feel it. I love that old hymn.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgiQ5kIgatQ

[Quix]

A couple of thoughts. A large part of the delusion at work is the denial that evil even exists. Our post modern age has brought us to the point where right and wrong are only constructs from Children's stories and those who still believe in them are Quixotic figures to be mocked. Look at the situation in Europe or Obama's attitude towards Muslim terrorist. Few are willing to stand up and name evil as evil.

Thought number two. We aren't supposed to feel at home on this earth and the older I get the more I feel it. I love that old hymn.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgiQ5kIgatQ

Absolutely Indeed--on all counts.

Thanks big. Much appreciate your kind response.

[roamer_1]

A couple of thoughts. A large part of the delusion at work is the denial that evil even exists. Our post modern age has brought us to the point where right and wrong are only constructs from Children's stories and those who still believe in them are Quixotic figures to be mocked. Look at the situation in Europe or Obama's attitude towards Muslim terrorist. Few are willing to stand up and name evil as evil.

RATHER, we have come to a point that sin is glorified and good works, right living, have become vilified - Evil is actively called good, and good is actively called evil. Pop culture absolutely embraces and glorifies evil.
 

Thought number two. We aren't supposed to feel at home on this earth and the older I get the more I feel it. I love that old hymn.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgiQ5kIgatQ

My brother's group has a similar message in 'Just Passin Through'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daQayHaFC-M

[Quix]

RATHER, we have come to a point that sin is glorified and good works, right living, have become vilified - Evil is actively called good, and good is actively called evil. Pop culture absolutely embraces and glorifies evil.
 
My brother's group has a similar message in 'Just Passin Through'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daQayHaFC-M

QUITE SO. QUITE SO!

Thanks.

[bigheadfred]

The new age spiritualism vs. The Bible

Deuteronomy 9-22

9 When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

13 Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God.

14 For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the Lord thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.

15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

16 According to all that thou desiredst of the Lord thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

17 And the Lord said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?

22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
King James Version (KJV)

The Witch of Endor


1 Samuel 28King James Version (KJV)

28 And it came to pass in those days, that the Philistines gathered their armies together for warfare, to fight with Israel. And Achish said unto David, Know thou assuredly, that thou shalt go out with me to battle, thou and thy men.

2 And David said to Achish, Surely thou shalt know what thy servant can do. And Achish said to David, Therefore will I make thee keeper of mine head for ever.

3 Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had lamented him, and buried him in Ramah, even in his own city. And Saul had put away those that had familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land.

4 And the Philistines gathered themselves together, and came and pitched in Shunem: and Saul gathered all Israel together, and they pitched in Gilboa.

5 And when Saul saw the host of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart greatly trembled.

6 And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.

7 Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.

8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.

9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?

10 And Saul sware to her by the Lord, saying, As the Lord liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.

12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.

13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.

15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the Lord is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?

17 And the Lord hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the Lord hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David:

18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the Lord, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the Lord done this thing unto thee this day.

19 Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the Lord also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.

20 Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel: and there was no strength in him; for he had eaten no bread all the day, nor all the night.

21 And the woman came unto Saul, and saw that he was sore troubled, and said unto him, Behold, thine handmaid hath obeyed thy voice, and I have put my life in my hand, and have hearkened unto thy words which thou spakest unto me.

22 Now therefore, I pray thee, hearken thou also unto the voice of thine handmaid, and let me set a morsel of bread before thee; and eat, that thou mayest have strength, when thou goest on thy way.

23 But he refused, and said, I will not eat. But his servants, together with the woman, compelled him; and he hearkened unto their voice. So he arose from the earth, and sat upon the bed.

24 And the woman had a fat calf in the house; and she hasted, and killed it, and took flour, and kneaded it, and did bake unleavened bread thereof:

25 And she brought it before Saul, and before his servants; and they did eat. Then they rose up, and went away that night.

When Samuel dies, he is buried in Ramah. Saul, the current King of Israel, seeks wisdom from God in choosing a course of action against the assembled forces of the Philistines. He receives no answer from dreams, prophets, or the Urim and Thummim. Having driven out all necromancers and magicians from Israel, Saul searches for a medium anonymously and in disguise. His search leads him to a woman of Endor, who claims that she can see the ghost of Samuel rising from the abode of the dead.[1] The voice of the prophet's ghost, after complaining of being disturbed, berates Saul for disobeying God, and predicts Saul's downfall. The spirit reiterates a pre-mortem prophecy by Samuel, adding that Saul will perish with his whole army in battle the next day. Saul is terrified. The next day, his army is defeated as prophesied, and Saul commits suicide.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjw-sHyl8_QAhVJ4mMKHZS_CmsQFgguMAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FWitch_of_Endor&usg=AFQjCNEywsY98haR_jJtvupFVJ3N3J6-Bg&sig2=qPDY6Rf174jzPcEyWxiTww


Leviticus 19:31King James Version (KJV)

31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.


2 Corinthians 11:14-15
2 Corinthians 11:14-15New International Version (NIV)

14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

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There is a popularity for TV shows about mediums, whether fictional or "reality".

Long Island Medium

Synopsis
Each episode focuses on Theresa Caputo as she conducts private and group readings with both believers and skeptics. Her husband Larry and two children, Victoria and Larry Jr., have learned to live with her claims of mediumship, but it strains their relationship. In a 2011 interview, Caputo claimed she had the ability to communicate with dead people: "Things are just there. When I was younger I used to actually see images and hear things. As I got older and shut down, it had changed. Because it was frightening to see people standing there who actually weren’t there.

The show has been a commercial success, running into 8 seasons, and the popularity has led to the star producing several books and a jewelry line. Fans describe it as entertaining and fun or amazing.[8] The overall series is described in media review as pretty mild, but it may be disturbing to viewers who are uncomfortable with the topics of death and psychic ability

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjd1KL9nc_QAhUCKWMKHe3wANEQFggjMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLong_Island_Medium&usg=AFQjCNEjsawJnn7pMu5DZyM0Rr1pREzAZg&sig2=jL88mZywYroB5z6dDo_DqA

And a rebuttal.

The ‘Medium’ Is Not the Messenger

Hardly does one talking-to-the-dead practitioner fade from view than another pops up, to the delight of the naifs who desperately need assurance that no one ever really dies but somehow instead just floats off to heaven, Valhalla, paradise or whatever Cloud Nine they fancy — to, um, “live” forever.

John Edward is now holding court in Las Vegas, and James Van Praagh still coos to his eagerly paying public in hotel auditoriums, but the newest (and far more attractive) dead-talker is the Long Island Medium, featured on The Learning Channel. She’s Theresa Caputo, a chatty blonde with impressive layers of eyeliner and lip gloss who does the old dependable “cold reading” act, and has rung their bell …

The Learning Channel has, sadly, recognized — along with so many other such outlets — that pseudo-science attracts viewers. They’ve reached their own private nirvana with Ms. Caputo.

Caputo does what’s known in my trade as “cold reading.” The very best practitioners can pick up enough information in what seems like innocent, idle conversation to convince you that they know very specific things about you. The scientific phenomenon is called the Forer effect — giving credence to vague observations that seem personal.

It’s called the Barnum effect, after that famous showman credited with coining the phrase, “There’s a sucker born every minute.”


https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiCzJTPoM_QAhUQ12MKHcxsCWQQFggfMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wired.com%2F2012%2F04%2Fopinion_randilimedium0409%2F&usg=AFQjCNG_-_PW47AgxtP7y-hPMTmmK6Y0qQ&sig2=HAtWe1WOrJ-frBB61LjK-Q


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAYG_cgqjWA

https://youtu.be/KAYG_cgqjWA

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Want to run some laps around your brain?

Sexual Pathology: Demonic Possession or Parasitic Infection TPP04


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw4FNRX4JtQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw4FNRX4JtQ

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How do you inspire the younguns??? I'm inspired. Really.

Five Finger Death Punch of course.

Language Warning.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-2yuGgp_U8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-2yuGgp_U8

Ivan Moody developed a serious drinking problem while Five Finger Death Punch was touring in support of their American Capitalist album. The situation apparently got to the point where the band was threatening to replace Moody with a different frontman. The singer finally decided to get sober after a heart-to-heart conversation with Korn frontman Jonathan Davis, who struggled with drugs and alcohol early in his career. Moody told The Pulse of Radio that his personal experiences found their way into the lyrics for this song: "'Lift Me Up' was about overcoming, because it seems like sometimes there are these chains — and I know everybody can relate to this — and it's almost like you're just questioning, you're looking out to the universe to say, 'Hey, there's got to be more than this, you know, help me get out of this rut,'" he said. "And so 'Lift Me Up' was just more of a positive feed on how to get by and how to overcome."

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjh8YDLrM_QAhVK92MKHbdUDbEQFggoMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.songfacts.com%2Fdetail.php%3Fid%3D29378&usg=AFQjCNHbcU4O6-dVbZtfrZDpNQ-fu9MetA&sig2=84qy72V6MuElaTij1PIodA

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Survey Finds Most American Christians Are Actually Heretics

Evangelical writer Eric Metaxas remarked on BreakPoint last week that if Americans took a theology exam, their only hope of passing would be if God graded on a curve. He’s right. In knowing both the content of the Bible and the doctrinal foundations of Christianity, we Americans aren’t just at the bottom of our class. We are, as Ross Douthat argues in his book, “Bad Religion,” a nation of heretics.

A survey of 3,000 people conducted by LifeWay Research and commissioned by Ligonier Ministries found that although Americans still overwhelmingly identify as “Christian,” startling percentages of the nation embrace ancient errors condemned by all major Christian traditions. These are not minor points of doctrine, but core ideas that define Christianity itself. The really sad part? Even when we’re denying the divinity of Christ, we can’t keep our story straight. Americans talking about theology sound about as competent as country singers rapping.
We’re an Embarrassment to Heretics Everywhere

Seven out of ten respondents in LifeWay’s survey affirmed the doctrine of the Trinity—that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three Persons but one God, and six in ten agreed that Jesus is both human and divine. Their orthodoxy—and consistency—ended there. More than half went on to indicate that Jesus is “the first and greatest being created by God,” a heresy known as Arianism, which the Council of Nicaea condemned in 325 A.D.

Of course, most of these accidental blasphemers aren’t preparing to revise the resulting Nicene Creed and preach a creaturely Christ. Rather, bizarre contradictions like this illustrate how many Americans don’t understand or even care what the Trinity means (although they say they believe in it, likely out of habits learned growing up in church).

The responses to other questions were no less heterodox or headache-inducing. Seventy percent of participants—who ranged across socioeconomic and racial backgrounds—agreed there’s only one true God. Yet sixty-four percent also thought this God accepts the worship of all religions, including those that believe in many gods.

Two-thirds admitted that everyone sins a little bit, but still insisted that most people are good by nature, which directly contradicts scripture (See “All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God,” and “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”). Over half said it’s fair for God to exercise his wrath against sin, but seemed to waffle about which sins deserved wrath (not theirs!). Seventy-four percent said the “smallest sins” don’t warrant eternal damnation, in contrast to Jesus’ brother, who when writing at the Holy Spirit’s inspiration taught that even one infraction of God’s law is enough to sink someone. But really, what did he know?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjI7uPtrM_QAhVW62MKHUS_CFIQFggvMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthefederalist.com%2F2016%2F10%2F10%2Fsurvey-finds-american-christians-actually-heretics%2F&usg=AFQjCNFb2yJk3LwgrKgRFcKBPwqt1fvLDA&sig2=m2r5ZDmYfFLdI6p0w_GCpw

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Mankind is a parasite. Ancient knowledge held by secret societies concerning the cataclysm that destroyed the advanced civilization of the megalithic builders--aka Atlantis. Causing a tilt of the earth. The repositioning of Antarctica to a southern pole. Religion is a deception to bring control to a devastated world. To rebuild civilization back to a golden age. The 2012 shift to a new cycle. We are currently just beginning to rise from the depths of the Dark Age to a more enlightened one. Information held in the Vatican library. Not for general dissemination.

[bigheadfred]

 I wholly agree that extolling select groups as the saviors of mankind is dangerous. We've seen some proclamations from people in the selection of the last two Presidents that boggles the mind. People elevating them to diefication type status.

I'm trying to think of an example where that worked out really well in the past and I can't think of one.

I suppose it can be said that the advent of Christianity would be  the one. But only if you are a Christian.

Then again most of the world would agree that it is only through western thought that civilization is what it is today. And that only came about because of Christianity.