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We just had a drain the swamp election: Paul Ryan blocks House GOPs attempt to bring back earmarks
« on: November 17, 2016, 06:29:40 am »
Good news for fiscal conservatives, although the more worried I get about presidential power increasing at Congress’s expense, the more willing I am to hear out the counterargument on earmarks. The fiscal reason to bar earmarks, obviously, is to reduce wasteful spending by limiting Congress’s power to shovel federal dollars at their pet projects back home. The counterargument, which gets less attention, is that the ban does little except to shift the waste and cronyism to the executive branch. Former Reps. Martin Frost and Tom Davis wrote about that last year:..

Read more at: http://hotair.com/archives/2016/11/16/we-just-had-a-drain-the-swamp-election-paul-ryan-blocks-house-gops-attempt-to-bring-back-earmarks/
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Re: We just had a drain the swamp election: Paul Ryan blocks House GOPs attempt to bring back earmarks
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2016, 07:46:23 am »
Good. Earmarks are a pernicious evil.

If you want to have government by the people, for the people, the people have to be able to see what's going on. That means showing funding up front, not making them dig for a two line paragraph on page 425 of a completely unrelated bill. One bill, one thing.
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Re: We just had a drain the swamp election: Paul Ryan blocks House GOPs attempt to bring back earmarks
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2016, 01:59:18 pm »
Quote from: EC on November 17, 2016, 07:46:23 am
Good. Earmarks are a pernicious evil.

If you want to have government by the people, for the people, the people have to be able to see what's going on. That means showing funding up front, not making them dig for a two line paragraph on page 425 of a completely unrelated bill. One bill, one thing.

So true.

I want an open debate on the merits of everything included in the budget, every year.

If not a rock-solid reason to fund it, it goes away.

Those earmarks are a reason those DC politicians get cozy with lobbyists and entrenched.
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Re: We just had a drain the swamp election: Paul Ryan blocks House GOPs attempt to bring back earmarks
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Re: We just had a drain the swamp election: Paul Ryan blocks House GOPs attempt to bring back earmarks
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2016, 02:05:57 pm »
+1 for Paul Ryuan.
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Re: We just had a drain the swamp election: Paul Ryan blocks House GOPs attempt to bring back earmarks
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2016, 02:07:37 pm »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on November 17, 2016, 01:59:18 pm
So true.

I want an open debate on the merits of everything included in the budget, every year.

If not a rock-solid reason to fund it, it goes away.

Those earmarks are a reason those DC politicians get cozy with lobbyists and entrenched.

Which is exactly why the current practice of base line budgeting should be put onto the ash heap of history and replaced with a zero based budgeting process.
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Re: We just had a drain the swamp election: Paul Ryan blocks House GOPs attempt to bring back earmarks
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2016, 02:09:12 pm »
Good news.

How long can he hold out remains to be seen. There will be intense pressure on him not from just some of the GOP in Congress but Trump supporters as well
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Re: We just had a drain the swamp election: Paul Ryan blocks House GOPs attempt to bring back earmarks
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2016, 02:10:40 pm »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on November 17, 2016, 01:59:18 pm
So true.

I want an open debate on the merits of everything included in the budget, every year.

If not a rock-solid reason to fund it, it goes away.



Or if it's the Constitution. Anyone can come up with a rock solid reason to fund something
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Re: We just had a drain the swamp election: Paul Ryan blocks House GOPs attempt to bring back earmarks
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2016, 02:34:36 pm »
Quote from: LMAO on November 17, 2016, 02:10:40 pm
Or if it's the Constitution. Anyone can come up with a rock solid reason to fund something

While true - with earmarks they pretty much don't have to. They are hidden from all but the real political junkies, so why justify them?

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Re: We just had a drain the swamp election: Paul Ryan blocks House GOPs attempt to bring back earmarks
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2016, 02:39:20 pm »
Is Ryan going back to being the fiscal hawk we thought he was in 2012?

I sure hope so.

This is good news.
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