NeverTrump Is Over. So What Does It Do Next?

[DCPatriot]

Kind of disagree.  I was NeverTrump because I couldn't stand him personally.  Now that he is elected, I am willing to give him a chance. 

If he will appoint a true conservative to the court and get rid of Obamacare ... without installing a version of it called Trumpcare, I will be willing to ignore his personal idiosyncracies and egregious behavior that doesn't affect the country.

@Emjay


....which could have and should have been your position all along, once he was the Nominee. 

[montanajoe]

I never did pick up on the definition of NT.

I think Trump's a lib, and I didn't vote for him (nothing to do with the man in particular, I just made the decision several years ago that I'm done voting for whomever wins the R primary just because I want to stop the Ds).

I hoped that he would win anyway, go on to govern as a Conservative and be so awesome that I could support him in 2020.  If he does it, I'll have to admit I was wrong, but it's still the best outcome available.  If not, I'll look to a Conservative alternative, going third party again if I have to.

So, am I NT? On one hand, I do tend to agree most of the time with those who call themselves such.   OTOH, "Never" is like half the word -- does NT really mean never, under any circumstances, including a (potential) future record of Conservatism?

Trump will Never be a conservative. I suppose there is a slight possibility his administration will be seen as conservative on some issues but I am not holding my breath..

For me Conservatism is much more than a political choice it is a life style. My definition of a Conservative is one whose word is their bond, a person who has the trust of their spouse that they will not fool around, a person whom kids can look up to and emulate, a person of faith, a person who understands the difference between war and a "personal Vietnam". In short for me a Conservative lifestyle is aspiring to a moral lifestyle.

Just as Trump can never lead a Conservative lifestyle I can never vote for him or any candidate that does not live the life of a Conservative. Many others do not share my values and will continue to vote the lesser of two evils....I Never will

[Silver Pines]

I don't know what NeverTrump will do.  I only know what I will do.  My decision not to vote for Trump was based on my personal principles and opinions.

If Trump does something good while in office, i'll say so.  If he messes up, I'll criticize him.  Personally I don't think he's magically undergone a character transplant since being elected, and I'm skeptical, but I guess we can pray the office will elevate him.

[Silver Pines]

@Emjay


....which could have and should have been your position all along, once he was the Nominee.

@DCPatriot

You don't get to tell someone how they should have voted. 

[Cripplecreek]

Giving Trump the benefit of a doubt is like trusting a crack addict with your checkbook while you vacation in Australia for 3 months.

[DCPatriot]

@DCPatriot

You don't get to tell someone how they should have voted.

No kidding??   

[Bigun]

@Emjay


....which could have and should have been your position all along, once he was the Nominee.

Just can't leave it alone can you?  Just got to.keep stiring.

[DCPatriot]

Just can't leave it alone can you?  Just got to.keep stiring.

Not stirring anything, sir.  Just making an observation and comment.

Just like you did right here. 

But, please answer this question, @Bigun ?

In the end....did we need any of TBR's Nevertrumps' votes?          

[Smokin Joe]

The man has been a celebrity for more than 30 years and he's always been a sleazeball. I don't have any expectation of him being anything more than he's always been.


I've been NeverTrump for 30 years, that isn't likely to change either.

As a person, my opinion hasn't changed, fwiw. That is because of my principles.

As a president?

Well, we'll see how he does, and the measure I will use is the list of promises he made.

Either he does what he said he would, or he lied to the people who supported him (as opposed to those who just voted to have someone other than Hillary, and found him just barely better). If he fails to keep the promises I think were basically good ideas and makes good on the ones I think will be bad ones,  I will know my lack of support was spot on.

For now, we're stuck with him as POTUS, I'll wait and see.

[Bigun]

Not stirring anything, sir.  Just making an observation and comment.

Just like you did right here. 

But, please answer this question, @Bigun ?

In the end....did we need any of TBR's Nevertrumps' votes?        

In the end you did not.  So.what?

[Emjay]

@Emjay


....which could have and should have been your position all along, once he was the Nominee.

@DCPatriot   When I want you to tell me what my position should be, I will let you know.

Don't hold your breath.

[Smokin Joe]

Not stirring anything, sir.  Just making an observation and comment.

Just like you did right here. 

But, please answer this question, @Bigun ?

In the end....did we need any of TBR's Nevertrumps' votes?        

Hey, I'll answer that.

Nope, you didn't, so why even weigh in?

But for next time, you might consider that without our votes, Trump barely defeated a morose Democrat Party, deeply divided over Bernie and real Socialism versus the sycophantic media worship of an aging, infirm, drunken and worn out (excitement wise) felon with a screechy voice and more baggage than Livingston on Safari. Not even the concept that she would historically share certain organs with 51% of the population was enough to push her over the top as the first female POTUS. Nope, that will have to wait for someone more acceptable.

Given an energizing Democrat alternative and a better than normal turnout at the polls, I don't think even we 'nevers' would have had enough votes to carry the day, even if we'd been inclined to give them.

In a higher turnout election, I doubt we'd have made any difference for him, simply because we are determined to vote principle over person or party.

Remember that next time.

[Silver Pines]

No kidding??

@DCPatriot
 
Well, if you know it, don't do it.

[libertybele]

I don't know what NeverTrump will do.  I only know what I will do.  My decision not to vote for Trump was based on my personal principles and opinions.

If Trump does something good while in office, i'll say so.  If he messes up, I'll criticize him.  Personally I don't think he's magically undergone a character transplant since being elected, and I'm skeptical, but I guess we can pray the office will elevate him.

I agree; Trump's personality hasn't morphed into someone different overnight.  I think he is overwhelmed at the moment with the enormous task of putting together his cabinet, etc. and hasn't time for the bombastic comments and tweets that we've experienced from him throughout his campaign.  He's allowing Pence right now to have a huge hand in everything and meeting with people like Cruz and Romney whom I think he values their opinions and trusts.. He also seems to be fitting personalities together as well as talent, which he has obviously learned from years of managing people and businesses.  I am a little surprised in his omission so far of Gingrich.  Once Trump gets his cabinet together we'll have a much better idea of how things may go. 

[EC]

I am a little surprised in his omission so far of Gingrich.

Newt has repeatedly said he is not interested in a cabinet post - he wants to deal with long term strategy. Which I think is a fine idea. Newt is smart, knows his history and knows people.

[Meshuge Mikey]

Their side won, and they have my congratulations.

However, I do reserve my right to 50,000 "I told you so's"  When this turd shows his left wing stripes, and stabs you in the back.

I am a stauch conservative, and always will be.   Trump is not.

the BUYERS REMORSE has not settled in yet!  when it does..all hell will break loose!!  BELIEVE ME ..[size=78%]BELIEVE ME ..[/size]

[DCPatriot]

I agree; Trump's personality hasn't morphed into someone different overnight.  I think he is overwhelmed at the moment with the enormous task of putting together his cabinet, etc. and hasn't time for the bombastic comments and tweets that we've experienced from him throughout his campaign.  He's allowing Pence right now to have a huge hand in everything and meeting with people like Cruz and Romney whom I think he values their opinions and trusts.. He also seems to be fitting personalities together as well as talent, which he has obviously learned from years of managing people and businesses.  I am a little surprised in his omission so far of Gingrich.  Once Trump gets his cabinet together we'll have a much better idea of how things may go.

Come one.

The guys sleeps 4 hours a day.   He wakes at 5am.   He's totally goal oriented.

Everything is "under control".   He's a machine.

[Emjay]

I agree; Trump's personality hasn't morphed into someone different overnight.  I think he is overwhelmed at the moment with the enormous task of putting together his cabinet, etc. and hasn't time for the bombastic comments and tweets that we've experienced from him throughout his campaign.  He's allowing Pence right now to have a huge hand in everything and meeting with people like Cruz and Romney whom I think he values their opinions and trusts.. He also seems to be fitting personalities together as well as talent, which he has obviously learned from years of managing people and businesses.  I am a little surprised in his omission so far of Gingrich.  Once Trump gets his cabinet together we'll have a much better idea of how things may go.

Trump is childlike... he lives in the moment.  He was so busy running for president, he didn't have a clue about what the job actually entailed. 

He seems to have enough sense to reach out to people with actual experience in government.  Whether he will use them in the end or is just using them now we will find out eventually.

Apparently, Trump didn't realize he would actually have to live in that dump... the White House.

He dealt with big picture ideas using one syllable words and now he actually has to figure out how to be president.

[Emjay]

Come one.

The guys sleeps 4 hours a day.   He wakes at 5am.   He's totally goal oriented.

Everything is "under control".   He's a machine.

Sometimes he wakes up at 3 AM to tweet.  Bragging about not sleeping is trumpish and may be partially responsible for his mental unbalance.

[DCPatriot]

Sometimes he wakes up at 3 AM to tweet.  Bragging about not sleeping is trumpish and may be partially responsible for his mental unbalance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46g8zDcziL0

[Oceander]

Not over as far as I'm concerned.  I don't give in to fascists, whether of the left or the right.

[Smokin Joe]

Sometimes he wakes up at 3 AM to tweet.  Bragging about not sleeping is trumpish and may be partially responsible for his mental unbalance.

Some strange changes in thought patterns and frame of mind happen during protracted sleep deprivation.

[Gefn]

I don't know what NeverTrump will do.  I only know what I will do.  My decision not to vote for Trump was based on my personal principles and opinions.

If Trump does something good while in office, i'll say so.  If he messes up, I'll criticize him.  Personally I don't think he's magically undergone a character transplant since being elected, and I'm skeptical, but I guess we can pray the office will elevate him.

 

@CatherineofAragon

[Bigun]

I don't know what NeverTrump will do.  I only know what I will do.  My decision not to vote for Trump was based on my personal principles and opinions.

If Trump does something good while in office, i'll say so.  If he messes up, I'll criticize him.  Personally I don't think he's magically undergone a character transplant since being elected, and I'm skeptical, but I guess we can pray the office will elevate him.

I think there are a great many in that boat with you.   If I had it all to do over I would do exactly the same again because I continue to believe that there were far better choices but we don't get any do overs and Donald J. Trump is going to be President so I have no alternative but to hope he turns out to be the best president since Reagan and proves me totally wrong in the process.  I have little expectation that he will do any of that but still I hope he does.

[Longmire]

#NeverTrump will never be over.

You got that right....wear that smelly gym sock proudly.