Trump Not Expected To Live In White House Full Time

[Cripplecreek]

Probably isn't a law that the president MUST live in the White House because no one ever considered the possibility that a President would not live there.

Trump is being a big baby about this but we shouldn't be surprised.  We knew he is neurotic and has to sleep in his bed in Trump Towers.  He went to considerable trouble to be sure he got back there every night when he was campaigning.  This sends an awful message.

I'm trying to cut Trump all the slack in the world but he makes it hard.

Generally presidents live in the white house for security and convenience. The cost of moving a president around is enormous. Air Force or Marine 1, the identical back up air craft, military escorts etc. It will cost us a lot more for Trump to live in NY.

Its not uncommon for governors to live somewhere other than the governor's mansion but they don't face the same security and logistics issues. Rick Snyder lives in Ann Arbor rather than Lansing.

[ConstitutionRose]

Generally presidents live in the white house for security and convenience. The cost of moving a president around is enormous. Air Force or Marine 1, the identical back up air craft, military escorts etc. It will cost us a lot more for Trump to live in NY.

Its not uncommon for governors to live somewhere other than the governor's mansion but they don't face the same security and logistics issues. Rick Snyder lives in Ann Arbor rather than Lansing.

Lived and worked in DC for a long time.  They fly multiples of Marine One.  Choppers are big fat targets so they fly multiples.

[DCPatriot]

Lived and worked in DC for a long time.  They fly multiples of Marine One.  Choppers are big fat targets so they fly multiples.

That's right....

Live about 26-30 minuites from Camp David (Thurmont, MD), I have seen several times, three or even 4 'Marine One' helicopters heading up that way, while I was driving on I-270...which becomes Rt 15 N.

Now that we're talking about it....Obama must have HATED Camp David...he rarely went there.

And that was set up to give the POTUS a retreat. 

My attitude?   You don't want to use Camp David?   Good.   You pick up the tab for all vacation travel.  PERIOD.

[Cripplecreek]

Lived and worked in DC for a long time.  They fly multiples of Marine One.  Choppers are big fat targets so they fly multiples.

It certainly won't be cheaper for taxpayers for Trump to live in NY. One trip will wipe out all the money saved by Trump not taking a salary for being president.

[Smokin Joe]

Probably isn't a law that the president MUST live in the White House because no one ever considered the possibility that a President would not live there.

Trump is being a big baby about this but we shouldn't be surprised.  We knew he is neurotic and has to sleep in his bed in Trump Towers.  He went to considerable trouble to be sure he got back there every night when he was campaigning.  This sends an awful message.

I'm trying to cut Trump all the slack in the world but he makes it hard.

I recall Mrs. Perot having trouble with the idea of moving into a smaller house in a bad neighborhood...even though that didn't happen.  I'm not sure why the idea of a Billionaire president (who had financed an attempt to rescue US POWs in SE Asia) was something that wouldn't catch on then, but is so heartily embraced now.

[Smokin Joe]

Generally presidents live in the white house for security and convenience. The cost of moving a president around is enormous. Air Force or Marine 1, the identical back up air craft, military escorts etc. It will cost us a lot more for Trump to live in NY.

Its not uncommon for governors to live somewhere other than the governor's mansion but they don't face the same security and logistics issues. Rick Snyder lives in Ann Arbor rather than Lansing.

Security, convenience, and access to facilities. Maybe Trump wants his own 'war room' in NYC. When you consider the cost of duplicating capabilities and keeping communications secure at a new location, plus factor in physical security and the logistics involved in transportation (and the repercussions for anyone living within a few blocks of that route and area) that's a lot of streets and businesses to shut down over a little ego.

Where I grew up, Eisenhower would come down for a day on the water (water skiing, boating), I recall my mother talking about how the Secret Service had fits because the watermen wouldn't comply with 'requests' to clear the river. They just said 'He can use it, and we won't bother him, but that's where we make our living.'

[Cripplecreek]

Security, convenience, and access to facilities. Maybe Trump wants his own 'war room' in NYC. When you consider the cost of duplicating capabilities and keeping communications secure at a new location, plus factor in physical security and the logistics involved in transportation (and the repercussions for anyone living within a few blocks of that route and area) that's a lot of streets and businesses to shut down over a little ego.

Where I grew up, Eisenhower would come down for a day on the water (water skiing, boating), I recall my mother talking about how the Secret Service had fits because the watermen wouldn't comply with 'requests' to clear the river. They just said 'He can use it, and we won't bother him, but that's where we make our living.'

I wonder if they're going to close the airspace over NY while Trump is there. What about the revenue lost by businesses whenever Trump or high ranking foreign dignitaries move around. The repercussions from an attack or attempted attack on a foreign leader in NY would be enormous. I've also got concerns about visitor logs.

I read yesterday that the Trump team is seeking top security clearance for the Trump kids who will be running the "blind trust". Its like they're deliberately announcing that they intend to be wildly corrupt.

[Night Hides Not]

I wonder if they're going to close the airspace over NY while Trump is there. What about the revenue lost by businesses whenever Trump or high ranking foreign dignitaries move around. The repercussions from an attack or attempted attack on a foreign leader in NY would be enormous. I've also got concerns about visitor logs.

I read yesterday that the Trump team is seeking top security clearance for the Trump kids who will be running the "blind trust". Its like they're deliberately announcing that they intend to be wildly corrupt.

What have the Trump kids done to warrant a top secret clearance? No matter the family, nepotism has no place in our government.

[EasyAce]

What have the Trump kids done to warrant a top secret clearance?

*crickets*

No matter the family, nepotism has no place in our government.

Assuming he gets away with it, this wouldn't exactly be the first time nepotism had a place in the
federal government . . .

I see nothing wrong with giving Robert a little more on the job experience before he moves into private
practise.---John F. Kennedy, after appointing his brother attorney general.

[DCPatriot]

What have the Trump kids done to warrant a top secret clearance? No matter the family, nepotism has no place in our government.

LOL!   The Trump 'kids' haven't done anything that would preclude them from getting top secret clearances.   That's what background checks are for.

If he's planning on utilizing his children in positions where they are required...or if he wishes them to have them for the simple reason he wants to be able to consort with them.....what's your problem?

[libertybele]

LOL!   The Trump 'kids' haven't done anything that would preclude them from getting top secret clearances.   That's what background checks are for.

If he's planning on utilizing his children in positions where they are required...or if he wishes them to have them for the simple reason he wants to be able to consort with them.....what's your problem?

Oh, so if he's going to employ his kids; Trump won't be drawing a salary but they will. Got it.  Frankly I don't care where Trump decides to live.  As a taxpayer I have no problem paying for the president's stay at the White House, but I do mind paying for the extra security, transportation, telecommunications, etc., that will be needed for him to hop around from place to place while he's president.  I see that as excessive and unnecessary.  If he wants to pay for that out of his pocket, then I have no problem with him playing the presidential shuffle.

[Smokin Joe]

I wonder if they're going to close the airspace over NY while Trump is there. What about the revenue lost by businesses whenever Trump or high ranking foreign dignitaries move around. The repercussions from an attack or attempted attack on a foreign leader in NY would be enormous. I've also got concerns about visitor logs.

I read yesterday that the Trump team is seeking top security clearance for the Trump kids who will be running the "blind trust". Its like they're deliberately announcing that they intend to be wildly corrupt.

The true believers will tie themselves in knots trying to excuse all of those points.
The rest of us will pick up the tab. Corruption? Nah, the guy who bought political access and likely 'favors' with huge donations to politicians wouldn't have any of that, would he?
As for businesses, they'll take a hit from security cordons and the like limiting access any time he moves through.  Logistically, it would be far more difficult to establish security in some place like NYC than in the relatively open areas around the White House.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

It certainly won't be cheaper for taxpayers for Trump to live in NY. One trip will wipe out all the money saved by Trump not taking a salary for being president.

I agree.  You wanted the job, live in the freaking house most of the time.

[Smokin Joe]

LOL!   The Trump 'kids' haven't done anything that would preclude them from getting top secret clearances.   That's what background checks are for.

You know this how?
Like you said, that's what background checks are for. Let's get the FBI on it right away!

If he's planning on utilizing his children in positions where they are required...or if he wishes them to have them for the simple reason he wants to be able to consort with them.....what's your problem?

I'm not a fan of nepotism. There is an inherent conflict of interest there.

Let me spell it out for you. Signing/vetoing a particular piece of legislation can have profound effects on equity markets and the future (or lack thereof) of specific companies.
If his kids are going to be managing the family fortune, they should not be privy to such information. That amounts to insider trading. Knowledge of classified information could similarly give a market advantage to the family (and thus, Trump's own) investments that others would be prohibited by law from having.

So, Mr fiscal conservative, there is a problem.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

LOL!   The Trump 'kids' haven't done anything that would preclude them from getting top secret clearances.   That's what background checks are for.

If he's planning on utilizing his children in positions where they are required...or if he wishes them to have them for the simple reason he wants to be able to consort with them.....what's your problem?

I actually have zero problem with his adult children getting clearances and offering advice.  They seem pretty sharp.  No different from a First Lady in that regard, and they often offer advice to their husbands.

The problem I have is that they're going to continue running an international business while being given access to that information.  I think that's just wrong.  Do one, or the other.

[Oceander]

LOL!   The Trump 'kids' haven't done anything that would preclude them from getting top secret clearances.   That's what background checks are for.

If he's planning on utilizing his children in positions where they are required...or if he wishes them to have them for the simple reason he wants to be able to consort with them.....what's your problem?

How would you know what they have and haven't done?

[Chosen Daughter]

Generally presidents live in the white house for security and convenience. The cost of moving a president around is enormous. Air Force or Marine 1, the identical back up air craft, military escorts etc. It will cost us a lot more for Trump to live in NY.

Its not uncommon for governors to live somewhere other than the governor's mansion but they don't face the same security and logistics issues. Rick Snyder lives in Ann Arbor rather than Lansing.

There is no underground bunker in Manhattan for the president.  If there was an emergency he would be putting all Americans at risk.  They are supposed to live there for a reason.

[DCPatriot]

How would you know what they have and haven't done?

Uh....because if there was something 'there'..... @sinkspur would have posted it long ago.   

[DCPatriot]

There is no underground bunker in Manhattan for the president.  If there was an emergency he would be putting all Americans at risk.  They are supposed to live there for a reason.

It will be virtually impossible for the Secret Service to afford the right kind of protection for the CIC if he stays at Trump tower.

Too many line-of-site opportunities there.

[EasyAce]

LOL!   The Trump 'kids' haven't done anything that would preclude them from getting top secret clearances.   That's what background checks are for.

I think the primary issue is that his children have also been appointed to manage the blind trust of his
business interests, and if they have a direct connection to or involvement in his administration to be,
it would cause trouble under federal laws that govern blind trusts---I think those laws require the blind
trust to be managed by an independent manager with no explicit tie to his administration. If he gets
security clearances for his children, they would not be considered independent managers.

If he's planning on utilizing his children in positions where they are required...or if he wishes them to have them for the simple reason he wants to be able to consort with them.....what's your problem?

Assuming you meant "consult" and not "consort," previous presidents with adult children didn't think
of putting those children into formal positions in their administrations or their White House staffs for
the most part. (Robert F. Kennedy was a notable exception, and his brother took quite a bit of heat
over the appointment even though the younger Kennedy received Senate confirmation; JFK's gag about
on the job experience to one side, RFK did have Capitol Hill experience as a Senate counsel.)

I'm just not sure that the presidency was supposed to become a family business, never mind that
government is the nation's largest organised crime family, but you'd have to look deeper into the appropriate
federal laws to affirm that.

There would be no nepotism issue, of course, if any of Donaldus Minimus's children chose to run for
office otherwise even while their father is in the White House. Nothing would stop them legally from, say,
running for seats Congress in 2018, assuming they satisfy the residency requirements in the districts
from which they would choose to run.

There might be those who'd argue against giving his children top security clearances simply as a matter
of taste, but then you'd run into a long, tiresome argument about whether the man has any. ;)

[Lando Lincoln]

It will be virtually impossible for the Secret Service to afford the right kind of protection for the CIC if he stays at Trump tower.

Too many line-of-site opportunities there.

I agree.  The CIC will inform him certain things are paramount.  His safety is one. 

[libertybele]

There is no underground bunker in Manhattan for the president.  If there was an emergency he would be putting all Americans at risk.  They are supposed to live there for a reason.

I had thought about that as well. Obviously Trump didn't (and perhaps still doesn't) really have a clue as to how his lifestyle is going to change.  What about the early morning and daily briefings that he's going to need to be there for, or does he feel that everything he needs to know can be communicated via texting??  What about early morning emergency phone calls?  He needs to be securely accessible at all times. 

[Cripplecreek]

I agree.  The CIC will inform him certain things are paramount.  His safety is one.

I remember seeing an interview with Laura Bush where she said one of the things she disliked about the living in the White House was not being able to look out a window. She said the secret service wanted the family to stand back from the window in a darkened room and look out. Even something as simple as having lunch in the rose garden needed preparation by the secret service. That's at the white house which is one of the most secure places on the planet.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Anyone care to estimate the cost to taxpayers for Trump to have dual living accommodations?

I think he's talked about working for a dollar a year anyways. Since he already owns the other places it'll be a heck uv a lot cheaper than it's been flying the first family around the world for vacation after vacation for eight years. Most presidents have had other places they like to hang out.

[Lando Lincoln]

Upthread I picked up CIC and used it incorrectly.  I intended to refer to the Secret Service.  fwiw