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Re: New Zealand earthquake: Powerful tremor hits South Island. m 7.8
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2016, 05:15:43 am »
There's some very interesting and unusual geological pics after the quake here . . . seabed rising startlingly high out of the water etc.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/earthquakenz?src=hash
Quite the haul of abalone there on the vertical rock. (Paua are known as abalone elsewhere)
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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2016, 11:59:37 am »
Quite the haul of abalone there on the vertical rock. (Paua are known as abalone elsewhere)

Indeed. Had some fried tenderized abalone once . . . was wonderful.
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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2016, 01:13:24 pm »
Indeed. Had some fried tenderized abalone once . . . was wonderful.
Apparently a major industry there, for the meat and the shells. I can believe it, looking at that. 
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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2016, 01:39:34 pm »
Thanks for the updates Quix.
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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2016, 06:01:26 pm »
Thanks for the updates Quix.

Thanks for reading.

@Smokin Joe,

Sure looks like they are plentiful. Do they filter water for food or scrape it off the rocks like some snails?

I hope they harvest that bunch out of the water. What a waste of good food, if not.
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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2016, 06:15:27 pm »

COWs rescued but a couple of others found in a similar situation . . .
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/86460020/Earthquake-More-cows-stranded-on-an-outcrop-of-land-after-three-saved

The lower pic of the 2 cows & a calf were rescued by farmers digging a path down from the isolated spit of pasture left by the quake--that cluster of livestock has been saved.
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Re: New Zealand earthquake: Powerful tremor hits South Island. m 7.8
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2016, 06:35:17 pm »
COWs rescued but a couple of others found in a similar situation . . .
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/86460020/Earthquake-More-cows-stranded-on-an-outcrop-of-land-after-three-saved

The lower pic of the 2 cows & a calf were rescued by farmers digging a path down from the isolated spit of pasture left by the quake--that cluster of livestock has been saved.

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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2016, 07:13:19 pm »
Quix, from your link:



Thanks thanks.

Those were the ones that were rescued.
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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2016, 09:53:03 pm »
Thanks for reading.

@Smokin Joe,

Sure looks like they are plentiful. Do they filter water for food or scrape it off the rocks like some snails?

I hope they harvest that bunch out of the water. What a waste of good food, if not.
I believe, like limpets, they just hang on to the rock and are basic filter feeders.

That would be a waste of some really good food if those aren't harvested. The shells are a little on the gaudy side as 'mother of pearl' goes, but make great inlay, and are even made into jewelry.
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Re: New Zealand earthquake: Powerful tremor hits South Island. m 7.8
« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2016, 04:13:04 am »
I believe, like limpets, they just hang on to the rock and are basic filter feeders.

That would be a waste of some really good food if those aren't harvested. The shells are a little on the gaudy side as 'mother of pearl' goes, but make great inlay, and are even made into jewelry.

Indeed.

I'm reminded by this uplift . . . I think there's some questionable to spurious . . . i.e. non-Biblical . . . predictions that land will arise off NZ's NW coasts that will more or less triple NZ's land area . . . or so, IIRC.

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Re: New Zealand earthquake: Powerful tremor hits South Island. m 7.8
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2016, 06:39:56 pm »

UPDATED info, links, commentary, video . . .

"Why quakes weren't caused by seismic blasting or 'unzipping' faultline"

This article goes over a number of 'myths' floating around about the big quake.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86584164/why-quakes-werent-caused-by-seismic-blasting-or-unzipping-faultline

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FEATURE VIDEO: The quake--and everything that followed

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/86546340/feature-video-the-quake--and-everything-that-followed

This is a good overview just like the title says--a bit over 9 minutes long. By noon Wed, the aftershocks passed the 1500 mark.

There's some new startling pics of roads and homes and other buildings in this video.

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Finding out how much the Earth moved during massive quake:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86565581/finding-out-how-much-the-earth-moved-during-massive-earthquake

There's some good maps and explanations at the link.

There was vertical offset as well as horizontal offset.

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Many anecdotal reports suggest a two-metre rise at the coast, and there's even one report of a reef rising six metres. As a result large numbers of paua, crayfish and other marine life were stranded out of the water, and there are concerns the fishery has been badly damaged.
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"All sorts of numbers are flying around," GNS Science earthquake geologist Nicola Litchfield said.
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The uplift would have happened during the 90 seconds to two minutes the quake lasted, and given the event started in Culverden it probably didn't happen in the first 30 seconds.
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"It would have been amazing if it had been daylight and someone had seen it," Litchfield said.
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There's really quite an oblong area that suffered major quakes and tons of lesser quakes in diverse locations within the area.
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New video shows just how damaged SH1 {North/South coastal highway} is after the Kaikoura quake

This is an 11:15 minute video

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/86557661/new-video-shows-just-how-damaged-sh1-is-after-the-kaikoura-quake

Even the passable parts of the road are still quite a mess in lots of places.

Given the cliffs and aftershocks . . . I wonder how safe such a drive would be!

When Southern California suffers some big ones . . . the mess will be even worse. May God have mercy. Wow.

There's some big cracks in the roadway . . . 1-3 feet in many places, a yard or more in others . . . cracks with gaps where the earth spread apart . . . and places where uplifts were as much as a yard or more, or near it.

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This was far from a minor event even though the loss of life was not great.

Welllllllllllllll, that's the end of this part of the drive--an uplift straight across the road blocks the way--about a yard high.

And now, a tunnel blocked by a land slip, blocks the way.

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"Hard-hit Kaikoura dairy farmers dumping milk after earthquake"

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/86559655/kaikoura-dairy-farmers-dumping-milk-after-earthquake

. . . using milk to irrigate pastures in some cases . . . {milk is 9X% water--I forget--97 or some such. Dad was a dairyman in his young adult life}

Dumping 14,000 litres of milk a day just on one farm . . . is a lot . . . daily dump with other farms in 6 figures . . . .

His grain silo with 20 tons of feed for his cows was also toppled over.

Generators have been flown in to keep the milking machines going. Glad that's answered. I was troubled by the prospect of their having to milk that many cows by hand with virtually no one knowing how. I {Qx} could milk a cow by hand--did it enough years--but I don't know any of my cohorts that could. But it would take so long that the evening milking would likely have to start right after the morning milking was done--since I couldn't imagine more than a handful of people able to help with it by hand.

And I remember when my 11 year old double cousin in Albuquerque was 100% convinced that milk came out of wells in the ground.  :silly: :silly: :silly: :whistle:

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Re: New Zealand earthquake: Powerful tremor hits South Island. m 7.8
« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2016, 07:04:46 pm »
"There's no excuse not to be prepared for more big quakes"

Video and article.

Video 1:32 min.

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Kaikoura: Quake-lifted seabed hurts town reliant on whales crayfish

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/destinations/nz/86553719/quakelifted-seabed-hurts-new-zealand-town-reliant-on-whales-lobsters

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The massive earthquake that struck this week has lifted the seabed around Kaikoura by several metres, putting the local fishing industry and whale-watching tourist operation at risk.
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Shellfish delicacies such as paua and crayfish, which live on submerged rocks and reefs, have been hoisted out of the sea by the magnitude 7.8 quake and will need to be relocated, the Ministry for Primary Industries said.
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Boats operated by Whale Watch Kaikoura are now largely stranded in their marina due to the reduced water depth.
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The raised seabed is another blow for Kaikoura, which relies on tourism and fisheries for its economic survival.
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The picturesque town of about 2000 people, whose name translates as meal-of-crayfish, has been cut off after the quake triggered huge landslides over coastal roads and railway tracks that will take months to repair.
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@roamer_1

Seabed at Ward beach rose 1.8 meters
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Many answered a social media call to help rescue the sea life.

About 5,000 abalone/paua have been rescued and returned to the ocean.
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« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2016, 09:17:36 pm »
@Quix I read the comments, and the usual bunch tried to weigh in with how man was devastating the planet, etc. It was refreshing to see that commenters replied with intelligent comments about how the animals will adapt (those who aren't harvested and eaten, anyway, or which go to waste because the fisheries people won't allow people to exceed a catch limit). One decried Statoil for doing seismic surveys off the coast saying it would chase the whales away, but another said that likely the whales sensed the coming quakes and had quit the area anyway. (Statoil's data will provide information on changes to the geology offshore, at a time when the changes are fresh and the whales likely aren't close enough to be disturbed--at least when they decide to release it).
Most of the concern for the whales was simply due to economic impact because of the whale watching tourist industry, but at the moment harbor facilities have been severely reduced by the uplift, the town is basically cut off from land travel, and the industry and the whales will have to recover together. A seafood concern donated harvested seafood to feed people, otherwise, they said, the catch would go to waste anyway (no way to get it to market).
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« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2016, 11:18:36 pm »
@Quix
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I read the comments, and the usual bunch tried to weigh in with how man was devastating the planet, etc. It was refreshing to see that commenters replied with intelligent comments about how the animals will adapt (those who aren't harvested and eaten, anyway, or which go to waste because the fisheries people won't allow people to exceed a catch limit).
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One decried Statoil for doing seismic surveys off the coast saying it would chase the whales away, but another said that likely the whales sensed the coming quakes and had quit the area anyway. (Statoil's data will provide information on changes to the geology offshore, at a time when the changes are fresh and the whales likely aren't close enough to be disturbed--at least when they decide to release it).
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Most of the concern for the whales was simply due to economic impact because of the whale watching tourist industry, but at the moment harbor facilities have been severely reduced by the uplift, the town is basically cut off from land travel, and the industry and the whales will have to recover together. A seafood concern donated harvested seafood to feed people, otherwise, they said, the catch would go to waste anyway (no way to get it to market).

Thanks.

And the holding tanks for the seafood without electricity weren't going to last long in any healthy state, either.

It seems to me like the usual bureaucratic arrogance to prevent folks from harvesting as many of those out of the water as they could likely use. Sigh.

Besides, saving 5,000 of the critters should have earned some exceptions for the rest, I'd think.

I've increasingly come to believe that bureaucracies and the bureaucratic 'mind-set' are among the world's greatest evils.

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« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2016, 11:44:55 pm »
Thanks.

And the holding tanks for the seafood without electricity weren't going to last long in any healthy state, either.

It seems to me like the usual bureaucratic arrogance to prevent folks from harvesting as many of those out of the water as they could likely use. Sigh.

Besides, saving 5,000 of the critters should have earned some exceptions for the rest, I'd think.

I've increasingly come to believe that bureaucracies and the bureaucratic 'mind-set' are among the world's greatest evils.
I agree, especially with the last. Rather than stand around and tell people what they couldn't do, why weren't the bureaucrats out there helping? Will standing on the beach counting the number of abalone people pick up save any? Better they be eaten than just rot on the rocks--these were not even being harvested from the water, just picked up where they will die if not removed to the water where they can survive.
 
So, typical bureaucratic mindset. Gripe about what needs to be done. Do nothing themselves. When someone comes up with a solution, gripe about/interdict/prevent that. Take no action to actually help solve the problem. Make no unorthodox solutions which will mitigate waste of the population which will not survive.
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Re: New Zealand earthquake: Powerful tremor hits South Island. m 7.8
« Reply #40 on: November 18, 2016, 05:16:14 am »
I agree, especially with the last. Rather than stand around and tell people what they couldn't do, why weren't the bureaucrats out there helping? Will standing on the beach counting the number of abalone people pick up save any? Better they be eaten than just rot on the rocks--these were not even being harvested from the water, just picked up where they will die if not removed to the water where they can survive.
 
So, typical bureaucratic mindset. Gripe about what needs to be done. Do nothing themselves. When someone comes up with a solution, gripe about/interdict/prevent that. Take no action to actually help solve the problem. Make no unorthodox solutions which will mitigate waste of the population which will not survive.

Indeed. Very well put.

I agree entirely.

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« Reply #41 on: November 18, 2016, 05:24:19 am »

Damage to Wellington's Port worse than first thought
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/86581271/comment-theres-no-excuse-not-to-be-prepared-for-more-big-quakes

2:03 minute video

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Re: New Zealand earthquake: Powerful tremor hits South Island. m 7.8
« Reply #42 on: November 18, 2016, 05:38:45 am »


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3940782/New-Zealand-earthquake-lifts-seabed-METRE.html

New Zealand's earthquake was so powerful the sea floor lifted TWO METRES and exploded through the sand

There's a great pic with a movable line between BEFORE vs AFTER showing the dramatic amount of land uplifted above sea level after the quake.

If the line is not evident--move your cursor from the right edge toward the center or from the left edge toward the center.

It's about the 3rd or 4th level of pics when you scroll down.
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Re: New Zealand earthquake: Powerful tremor hits South Island. m 7.8
« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2016, 05:49:29 am »

http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/86581271/comment-theres-no-excuse-not-to-be-prepared-for-more-big-quakes


There's a pie chart further down the page at this link that shows the

"Energy Released in all NZ Earthquakes, 2010-2016"

70.24% of the energy was released in the 7.8 quake with another 1.76% released in the aftershocks.

7.32% was released in 2016

1.46% in all of 2015

3.43% in all of 2014

2.70% in all of 2013

1.49% in all of 2012

2.60% in all of 2011

and 8.99% in all of 2010

I've seen figures in one of the pages available about the joules of energy released but I don't have that link handy.


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Re: New Zealand earthquake: Powerful tremor hits South Island. m 7.8
« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2016, 06:18:28 am »
Here is a pic or 2 of a newly, instantly created gorge from the recent 7.8 quake:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86621345/Earthquake-creates-a-new-geographical-landmark-in-Hurunui

with a 20 METER drop in the land that was formerly level!!!

It was not out someone's back door in this case.

But imagine . . . going to flee your house in a quake and opening the backdoor to flee into your yard only to find your back yard was suddenly 20 meters below where it was moments before!
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Re: New Zealand earthquake: Powerful tremor hits South Island. m 7.8
« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2016, 07:06:52 am »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3940782/New-Zealand-earthquake-lifts-seabed-METRE.html

New Zealand's earthquake was so powerful the sea floor lifted TWO METRES and exploded through the sand

There's a great pic with a movable line between BEFORE vs AFTER showing the dramatic amount of land uplifted above sea level after the quake.

If the line is not evident--move your cursor from the right edge toward the center or from the left edge toward the center.

It's about the 3rd or 4th level of pics when you scroll down.
WOW! You can really see the edge of that block and the fault line running just off the old beach in that 4th before and after pic. Thanks, Quix! If that's typical, they're going to have to re-chart that coastline or people are going to lose boats until they get those rocks figured out.
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Re: New Zealand earthquake: Powerful tremor hits South Island. m 7.8
« Reply #46 on: November 18, 2016, 07:44:55 am »
WOW! You can really see the edge of that block and the fault line running just off the old beach in that 4th before and after pic. Thanks, Quix! If that's typical, they're going to have to re-chart that coastline or people are going to lose boats until they get those rocks figured out.

Thanks.

I greatly agree.

And just imagine . . . that this is but a hint of what's looming on the not distant horizon.

Particularly with THE QUAKE that's slated to be totally global in nature . . .

I don't recall if the "no wall will be left standing" is a localized part of that or a global part. That would be more than massively incredible.

People who have been lulled into a stupor . . . a MSM lobotomized state of walking dead sheeple, lemmings, Eloi, DIMRATS et al . . . are in for a series of very rude awakenings.
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Re: New Zealand earthquake: Powerful tremor hits South Island. m 7.8
« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2016, 01:31:18 am »
@roamer_1,

More paua/abalone craziness:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/86646499/leave-the-paua-alone-says-government

Officials trying to prevent any semblance of a rescue of the critters.

I don't know how convincing their "logic" is . . . but it seems to me that some chance of survival is better than none.

Sheesh.
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Re: New Zealand earthquake: Powerful tremor hits South Island. m 7.8
« Reply #48 on: November 19, 2016, 01:37:01 am »
Officials trying to prevent any semblance of a rescue of the critters.
I don't know how convincing their "logic" is . . . but it seems to me that some chance of survival is better than none.

Sheesh.

 :shrug: I really don't know right from wrong on this one... I guess I would be likely to default to what the folks that live there say... I don't know them critters from a hole in the ground.

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Re: New Zealand earthquake: Powerful tremor hits South Island. m 7.8
« Reply #49 on: November 19, 2016, 02:14:23 am »
@roamer_1,

More paua/abalone craziness:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/86646499/leave-the-paua-alone-says-government

Officials trying to prevent any semblance of a rescue of the critters.

I don't know how convincing their "logic" is . . . but it seems to me that some chance of survival is better than none.

Sheesh.
Just how long would it have taken to teach groups of 40-50 volunteers how to correctly remove them from the rocks and into the water?

If the mortality rate for the exposed critters was 50% in relocation, but 100% if they were not moved, what is the better option? Stupid, stupid, stupid....
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