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Offline RoosGirl

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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2016, 03:22:28 pm »
Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on November 12, 2016, 03:14:50 pm
Somehow opposition to Obamacare has morphed from being against government-controlled healthcare to supporting government-controlled healthcare so long as "our side" designs the control.

It has been so with Republicans for quite some time now.  They don't want smaller gov't, they just want to be the ones in charge.
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2016, 03:22:45 pm »
Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on November 12, 2016, 03:14:50 pm
Somehow opposition to Obamacare has morphed from being against government-controlled healthcare to supporting government-controlled healthcare so long as "our side" designs the control.

We are probably going to find the same dynamic when it comes to deficits and debt
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2016, 03:23:50 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on November 12, 2016, 02:04:17 pm
No, Trump is not.  Please, have we at least learned to question MSM spin by now?   **nononono*

This is one of the reasons I was a very reluctant Trumper.  I do not think he is what you folks who enthusiastically backed him think he is. Time will tell, and I hope I am wrong, but I think in the long run we will see the New York liberal come out.....
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2016, 03:24:45 pm »
I've heard it said that a picture is worth a thousand words! This one is worth at least a million IMHO!

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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2016, 03:26:34 pm »
Quote from: LMAO on November 12, 2016, 03:22:45 pm
We are probably going to find the same dynamic when it comes to deficits and debt

Once government seizes control of something they rarely (if ever) relinquish that control.
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2016, 03:30:08 pm »
Now with softer language so delicate Trumper sensitivities are unbruised.

Y'all can take your humble pie and shove it.

If you demand that people get in line and get on the plantation, expect people to resist your neodemocrat party.

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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2016, 03:33:13 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on November 12, 2016, 03:24:45 pm
I've heard it said that a picture is worth a thousand words! This one is worth at least a million IMHO!



 Interesting map.

 Although I'm surprised that north eastern Minnesota and northwestern Wisconsin are considered higher crime areas. Unless they are counting an over limit of walleyes in those crime statistics
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2016, 03:37:08 pm »
@DCPatriot Apparently the churlish nevertrump movement doesn't like the taste of humble pie.  :shrug:

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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2016, 03:38:56 pm »
Quote from: Cripplecreek on November 12, 2016, 03:30:08 pm
Now with softer language so delicate Trumper sensitivities are unbruised.

Y'all can take your humble pie and shove it.

If you demand that people get in line and get on the plantation, expect people to resist your neodemocrat party.



I'm going to cut him some slack on this one

Especially after what the Obama Aministration did to him. So it's probably personal for him and understandably so
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2016, 03:46:17 pm »
Quote from: LMAO on November 12, 2016, 03:33:13 pm
Interesting map.

 Although I'm surprised that north eastern Minnesota and northwestern Wisconsin are considered higher crime areas. Unless they are counting an over limit of walleyes in those crime statistics
I suspect the crime map was just a map of the 2004 election by county.
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2016, 03:48:45 pm »
Quote from: Cripplecreek on November 12, 2016, 03:30:08 pm

I hope D'Souza was being sarcastic. (Using language like "get back on the reservation" is usually used in sarcasm.)

If not, remember, Trump defeated by a margin of about 70 electoral votes. There was no "almost" about it. Even if the NeverTrump's chosen candidate Evan McMullin had won Utah as we had wanted, that was only 6.
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2016, 03:52:22 pm »
One thing that is glaringly obvious from those maps is that half of Yellowstone National Park has both a high crime rate and voted democrat. There isn't a person out there who can tell me now that introducing wolves unfettered back into a more polite society was a good idea.

Yes, use can use this as an analogy.
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2016, 03:53:45 pm »
Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on November 12, 2016, 03:14:50 pm
Somehow opposition to Obamacare has morphed from being against government-controlled healthcare to supporting government-controlled healthcare so long as "our side" designs the control.


Not exactly. You guys may be right, but I'm not sure it will be government controlled. At least not in the way Obamacare or Single payer is. I mean healthcare has always been government controlled, if you count regulations.


My understanding is that Trump wants to return healthcare to the way it was before Obamacare, more or less, only with a few enhancements. But honestly, nobody knows what Trump has in mind. And we will not know the final product until it passes in Congress.


But, anything has to be better than Obamacare. Obamacare is an utter failure and a complete disaster. Weather or not Trump repeals it, it would fail of its own accord anyway in a few more years, at best. Something was going to happen, with or without Trump.
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2016, 03:54:13 pm »
Quote from: jmyrlefuller on November 12, 2016, 03:46:17 pm
I suspect the crime map was just a map of the 2004 election by county.

Regardless of that I would bet that what the photo depicts is 100% true!
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2016, 03:59:21 pm »
I'm going to sit back and see just how much of this actually happens.

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2016, 04:08:51 pm »
Sorry DC, got to give you a yawn on this one.
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #41 on: November 12, 2016, 05:22:39 pm »
Quote from: Longmire on November 12, 2016, 03:37:08 pm
@DCPatriot Apparently the churlish nevertrump movement doesn't like the taste of humble pie.  :shrug:

Truthfully, I'm honestly shocked that @Bigun runs to get in my face!

....for just posting an article.      :laugh:

It says a lot.   
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2016, 05:23:35 pm »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on November 12, 2016, 04:08:51 pm
Sorry DC, got to give you a yawn on this one.

Wasn't looking to crush one into the upper deck, @Free Vulcan  :laugh:
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2016, 05:25:25 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on November 12, 2016, 05:22:39 pm
Truthfully, I'm honestly shocked that @Bigun runs to get in my face!

....for just posting an article.      :laugh:

It says a lot.

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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #44 on: November 12, 2016, 05:26:22 pm »
Quote from: 240B on November 12, 2016, 01:58:07 pm

I don't know what that is supposed to mean, but winning tastes real, real, good. Especially when it is followed by a glass of champagne and a big fat cigar. lol

Yes it does! 
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2016, 05:40:36 pm »
Remember how pleased we all were when Obama constantly gloated about his election.
We loved hearing him say I WON
Couldn't get enough of it.
We see how that turned out.
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2016, 06:05:01 pm »
Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on November 12, 2016, 03:14:50 pm
Somehow opposition to Obamacare has morphed from being against government-controlled healthcare to supporting government-controlled healthcare so long as "our side" designs the control.
Does it seem reminiscent of something, like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOkdHIglNTo
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2016, 06:17:13 pm »
I have never been PROUDER in my life of my vote AGAINST Trump, and AGAINST Hillary, and no matter what respect I have for Dinesh, I will never be on anyone's "reservation."

I can rest easy my entire life (as can my entire family) that we didn't vote for a man entirely devoid of integrity.

As happy as I am that Hillary is now going to (Lord willing) fade into oblivion, I will never, EVER regret, nor be humiliated by a vote for character, integrity and moral values.

NEVER.
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #48 on: November 12, 2016, 06:18:44 pm »
Quote from: Rivergirl on November 12, 2016, 05:40:36 pm
Remember how pleased we all were when Obama constantly gloated about his election.
We loved hearing him say I WON
Couldn't get enough of it.
We see how that turned out.

LOL! @Rivergirl .

And I can bet some of these, if not ALL of these gloaters were horrified by Obama's ungracious, gloating arrogance after he "WON."
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Re: NeverTrumpers Eat Humble Pie
« Reply #49 on: November 12, 2016, 06:19:37 pm »
Quote from: 240B on November 12, 2016, 03:53:45 pm

Not exactly. You guys may be right, but I'm not sure it will be government controlled. At least not in the way Obamacare or Single payer is. I mean healthcare has always been government controlled, if you count regulations.


My understanding is that Trump wants to return healthcare to the way it was before Obamacare, more or less, only with a few enhancements. But honestly, nobody knows what Trump has in mind. And we will not know the final product until it passes in Congress.


But, anything has to be better than Obamacare. Obamacare is an utter failure and a complete disaster. Weather or not Trump repeals it, it would fail of its own accord anyway in a few more years, at best. Something was going to happen, with or without Trump.
I don't think our healthcare can ever be returned to anything near what it was before. The gooberment rolls of  overseer's has been expanded to much, the entitlement class grown to large and the acceptance of WHO intrusion to deep. We are saddled with ICD11 forcing small practice physicians to toss money they don't have into pit of electronic record keeping or lose 2% of their remittances each year until they are forced to either join a conglomerate practice, work a cash only practice or retire, which a great many have done squeezing the pool of caregivers even smaller. I am not ready to eat any sort of pie as far as Trump is concerned, at least not yet, Hell he hasn't been sworn in yet and right now all we are hearing and seeing is hearsay and gossip. I will wait until he is actually in office and well into his first year, only then will we know what we have for sure. I'm kind of tired of the rhetoric.
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