Hillary Wins the Popular Vote -- NOT

[TomSea]

Even the small parties have their hard core constituency,

I'd say the Libertarian party basically got their backers, polling in at 3.24% ,

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=2016&off=0&f=1

They likely did worse than in 2012, if I remember correctly.

Johnson probably nationally speaking, did not pick off that many votes from Clinton or Trump

[jmyrlefuller]

William Weld did NOT come out for Clinton. A notoriously left-wing site twisted his words to the point of libel to make it sound like he did.

Well, from the sounds of it, had Weld not agreed to be the party VP nominee, he may very well have endorsed Clinton by the sound of the things he said. He clearly disliked Trump more than he did Clinton.

That, however, is neither here nor there.

[dfwgator]

Well then maybe we should have awarded the Carolina Panthers the Lombardi trophy since they outgained the Broncos 315-194.

[austingirl]

Exactly and I would bet that the idiots rioting in the streets don't have a clue as to what the electoral college is.

According the media all the uneducated white people voted for Trump. Funny, I see a boatload of them rioting against him in the streets. Paid by Soros, no doubt. Rioting is the only work they are qualified for.

[jmyrlefuller]

Even the small parties have their hard core constituency,

I'd say the Libertarian party basically got their backers, polling in at 3.24% ,

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=2016&off=0&f=1

They likely did worse than in 2012, if I remember correctly.

Actually, the Libertarians had the best national performance they ever had—they fell short of their later goal of 5%, but they never got much more than 1% before, and that was largely because they had a notorious history of nominating nobodies like Michael Badnarik and kooks like Harry Browne. Had Johnson not gone off the rails a few weeks before the election, they might very well have gotten more.

Johnson probably nationally speaking, did not pick off that many votes from Clinton or Trump

That was my point—Johnson voters didn't like either one. If it weren't Johnson, they'd have either stayed home or found another third party to support (perhaps McMullin). The difference is that having someone like Johnson (and to a lesser extent McMullin) in the race gave the people who disliked both Clinton and Trump a vessel to have their votes counted. That helped deprive Clinton (and Trump) of a true majority.

[DCPatriot]

[bolobaby]

@SirLinksALot

I did some research on this matter and it appears that the notion that absentee ballots are not counted unless it is close is a myth.

I believe the myth originated from the fact that states would be called as "won" prior to all absentee ballots being counted because they couldn't sway the outcome, but they still eventually get tallied and added into the certified totals.

So, it's a lie.

[Sanguine]

@SirLinksALot

I did some research on this matter and it appears that the notion that absentee ballots are not counted unless it is close is a myth.

I believe the myth originated from the fact that states would be called as "won" prior to all absentee ballots being counted because they couldn't sway the outcome, but they still eventually get tallied and added into the certified totals.

So, it's a lie.

OK, that's good to know.  Got links so that I can use them to dispel this myth?

[goatprairie]

The Libertarian party is a dead party unless they regress back to their conservative Ron Paul type roots. I understand William Weld even came out for Clinton.

Trump lost Minnesota by around 1 percentage point, that is around the amount McMullin got.

So, there are other wildcards too.

"The Libertarian party is a dead party unless they regress back to their conservative Ron Paul type roots."

The things I've read from Libertarians over the years make them out to be big geniuses. But their nomination of Johnson and Weld proves otherwise. They can't think beyond their vices. If they had nominated a real Libertarian instead of an ersatz liberal Democrat, they could have gotten maybe 20-25% of the vote. This was their big chance, and they blew it......bigly.

[bolobaby]

OK, that's good to know.  Got links so that I can use them to dispel this myth?

@Sanguine

The most pertinent link is this:

https://www.fvap.gov/vao/vag/appendix/faq

With the money quote being this:

What are absentee ballots? Do they only count in close elections?
Many absentee ballots are cast by voters who are unable to vote at their physical polling place due to being an active duty military member, a family member of someone on active duty or a U.S. citizen residing overseas. All ballots submitted according to State laws are counted in every election.
 

The media often will report the projected outcome of the election before all of the ballots are counted. In a close election, the media may report that the outcome cannot be announced until after the absentee ballots are counted. However, all ballots, including absentee ballots, are counted in the final totals for every election ? and every vote (absentee or in-person) counts the same.

Here's some analysis that says Hillary's lead will GROW when all ballots are finally counted:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/clintons-popular-vote-lead-will-grow-and-grow/507455/

[goatprairie]

True, but the reality is far different...many of the millenials and others I have interacted with since the election are pushing popular vote very hard.  They are being taught at some point that the EC is not "democratic".  To which I say...ABSOfrickenLUTEY!  It's designed to protect us from MOB rule (democracy).

I've outed a few socialists who continue to push this idiocy...

If they think they can get 3/4s of the states to assent to an amendment, let them go for it. But good luck getting that.  Otherwise, they'll have to shut up.

[Sanguine]

@Sanguine

The most pertinent link is this:

https://www.fvap.gov/vao/vag/appendix/faq

With the money quote being this:



Here's some analysis that says Hillary's lead will GROW when all ballots are finally counted:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/clintons-popular-vote-lead-will-grow-and-grow/507455/

Thanks, @bolobaby!