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Offline Norm Lenhart

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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #75 on: November 07, 2016, 08:27:41 pm »

If you do not care,  then why must we be constantly subjected to your opinion?  ...


I am not mature enough to throw melt down temper tantrums because I didn't get my preferred choice.   Maybe i'll grow up some day.

Gee I dunno. I thought that was the entire point of a political forum. You know...sharing your opinion.

As to temper tantrums, it's your camp calling for revenge, making lists and having seemingly erotic fantasies about hunting us down with dogs.

Our side simply wants you to stop claiming to be conservative, destroying the country and with luck, go form the Trumpian Party because clearly the GOP platform offends you.

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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #76 on: November 07, 2016, 08:28:29 pm »
I know one side won't be happy but we will work through it....

 :shrug:

Happy wouldn't occur for me unless a Conservative came out of the blue to win.
Frankly, I'll be relieved, to a point, no matter who wins, which is an awfully strange place to be. Our doom is sealed, either way, but at least all the bickering about it will be over.. I can do without the distraction, and can get back down to business.




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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #77 on: November 07, 2016, 08:30:25 pm »
No one thinks the media wouldn't have done all they could to get Hillary over the top. That's not the point.

The question is would enough people 'buy' the inevitable unflattering characterizations of the republican candidate. With trump they didn't even need to define him - he of all the candidates had to overcome a public perception that existed before he was even nominated.



If the media can create the illusion that a 37 year history of corruption and bungling makes of Hillary a statesman,  (and they have)  I dare say they can create the illusion that Rubio isn't good enough to beat their corrupt idiot. 


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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #78 on: November 07, 2016, 08:30:29 pm »
Until day after tomorrow of course, when it will be 'all our fault'.

And I intend to quote that every time I see him blame us.

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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #79 on: November 07, 2016, 08:31:57 pm »


If the media can create the illusion that a 37 year history of corruption and bungling makes of Hillary a statesman,  (and they have)  I dare say they can create the illusion that Rubio isn't good enough to beat their corrupt idiot.

Perhaps. But look at how easy trump made it for them.

Btw Rubio wasn't my guy.

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« Reply #80 on: November 07, 2016, 08:33:27 pm »
I know one side won't be happy but we will work through it....
There will be no working thru Madame President. If that happens we are all doomed.

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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #81 on: November 07, 2016, 08:34:35 pm »

:shrug:

Happy wouldn't occur for me unless a Conservative came out of the blue to win.
Frankly, I'll be relieved, to a point, no matter who wins, which is an awfully strange place to be. Our doom is sealed, either way, but at least all the bickering about it will be over.. I can do without the distraction, and can get back down to business.






   Couldn't agree ANY LESS,  I haven't cared since Cruz bowed out after Indiana.

   Didn't care at all after Romney won the Nomination in 2012. 

   There is a certain PEACE in having 'no dog in the hunt'.
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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #82 on: November 07, 2016, 08:35:00 pm »
Until day after tomorrow of course, when it will be 'all our fault'.


Even now you overemphasize your significance in the larger scheme of things.   No,  it won't be your fault so much as it will be the fault of the Liberal controlled media,   but we will all recognize that you worked to achieve the same goal,  though their contribution made it happen,  and yours did not. 


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« Reply #83 on: November 07, 2016, 08:40:06 pm »
Gee I dunno. I thought that was the entire point of a political forum. You know...sharing your opinion.


One who does not care about sharing their opinion has no need for an opinion  forum. 




As to temper tantrums, it's your camp calling for revenge, making lists and having seemingly erotic fantasies about hunting us down with dogs.


You have this bad habit of applying to me the worst characteristics that you have apparently seen from someone else who may have happened to be on my side of this issue.     That's like me applying Donald Trump's behavior to you.   

You wouldn't agree that it's correct.   


I have said nothing about hunting you down with dogs.   More like I will just heap opprobrium on you.   





Our side simply wants you to stop claiming to be conservative, destroying the country and with luck, go form the Trumpian Party because clearly the GOP platform offends you.


National Socialists in power offend me.   Between the two of us,  i'm not the one helping them gain power. 


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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #84 on: November 07, 2016, 08:40:13 pm »

The amnesty thing would have still wrecked him with the base,  especially with the media hyping it.

Maybe.  It all depends if they would have been willing to equate that to electing Hillary.  I think probably not -- you'd have had the Norm Lenhart types ranting about insufficient purity on issues, and therefore no better than Hillary, but I think they'd have been pretty few and far between given Hillary as the alternative.   

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Also the media would have trotted out the "Is Rubio secretly Gay?"  thing  and hyped that. 


Again...does that really hurt him?  Here you have a 45 year old guy who apparently danced in some review when he was a kid.  He'd probably play it off as a joke or something, but even so...what about the millennials?  I tend to think these kind of attacks might have actually backfired on the left.  Maybe you'd have some Church Lady types refusing to vote for him based on that, but again...I think they'd come around anyway.

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They would have attacked him from every conceivable angle,  and he doesn't strike me as having the necessary  capacity to repel their attacks.   Enough would have stuck to wreck him.

Other than the getting stuck with Christie, he seemed pretty good on his feet to me.

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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #85 on: November 07, 2016, 08:40:46 pm »

   Couldn't agree ANY LESS,  I haven't cared since Cruz bowed out after Indiana.

   Didn't care at all after Romney won the Nomination in 2012. 

   There is a certain PEACE in having 'no dog in the hunt'.

Don't I wish.

Unfortunately per Hillarys stated plan I get a nice fat tax increase. That gives me a dog.

Btw anyone who believes the bottom limit on her tax increase will be 250k is flat nuts.

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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #86 on: November 07, 2016, 08:41:02 pm »
Until day after tomorrow of course, when it will be 'all our fault'.
Yup if Hillary wins a close election then NeverTrump will own it.

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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #87 on: November 07, 2016, 08:42:10 pm »
Yup if Hillary wins a close election then NeverTrump will own it.


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« Reply #88 on: November 07, 2016, 08:42:19 pm »
Perhaps. But look at how easy trump made it for them.

Btw Rubio wasn't my guy.


Easy or not,  they would have still done it.   So long as they have the power to pass off their opinions as news,   they can make the news look like anything they want.   


You do know they helped Trump beat Cruz?   
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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #89 on: November 07, 2016, 08:42:20 pm »
   The 'Low Energy' Jeb! school of politics has another Wash-Out.

May 07, 2016, 06:15 pm
Trump: I don't think GOP has to be unified


By Harper Neidig
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Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump said on Saturday that he doesn’t think he needs to unite the GOP in order to win the general election this November.

“Does the party have to be together, does it have to be unified?” he said during an interview on ABC’s “This Week” Sunday. “I’m very different from anybody who’s perhaps ever run for office. I actually don’t think so.
“I think it would be better if it were unified. I think there would be something good about it, but I don’t actually think it has to be unified," he said.

The presumptive GOP nominee said he can win without the backing of the full party by drawing Democratic voters, specifically supporters of Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders

“I have to stay true to my principles also. And I’m a conservative, but don’t forget: This is called the ‘Republican Party,’ not the ‘conservative party,’ ” Trump said.


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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #90 on: November 07, 2016, 08:47:07 pm »
Yup if Hillary wins a close election then NeverTrump will own it.

Sorry bud.  Utter bs.

It was the 11,000,000 +  folks like you who gave us Donald Trump.  You are fully complicit and responsible.

Deal with it.
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« Reply #91 on: November 07, 2016, 08:47:53 pm »


Again...does that really hurt him?  Here you have a 45 year old guy who apparently danced in some review when he was a kid.  He'd probably play it off as a joke or something, but even so...what about the millennials?  I tend to think these kind of attacks might have actually backfired on the left.



It isn't the left that would be voting for him.   It is the right,  and these attacks would have demoralized part of his core base.   The left would still vote for Hillary no matter what derogatory thing she said about "gays."   




Maybe you'd have some Church Lady types refusing to vote for him based on that, but again...I think they'd come around anyway.

Other than the getting stuck with Christie, he seemed pretty good on his feet to me.


Christie would have been worse,   but I doubt Rubio would be doing better than Trump.   Over at TOS they were hating on Rubio all throughout the primary.   There was a *LOT*  of animosity about him flipping on the Amnesty issue.   


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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #92 on: November 07, 2016, 08:50:52 pm »
Couldn't agree ANY LESS,  I haven't cared since Cruz bowed out after Indiana.
Didn't care at all after Romney won the Nomination in 2012. 
There is a certain PEACE in having 'no dog in the hunt'.


Yup. I played it out a while longer after Cruz bowed out, trying to secure R2L $$ and endorsements for Castle and the Constitution party... But everybody is to chickensh*t to jump, so the coffers remain, sealed and locked, waiting for a better day.

The attempt had to be made, whether in vain or not, but that's petered off in the last month or so - Nothing's left but the losing.

And you're right - I sure won't be rending my garments and throwing ash in the air, no matter how it goes from here. It's loss any which way, and expected ever since the convention.

I'll just go back to my fishin' hole. There is no effective vehicle with which to oppose liberalism, so what's the sense in rising up to fight?

4 more years before I have to care about it again.

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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #93 on: November 07, 2016, 08:51:11 pm »
Don't I wish.

Unfortunately per Hillarys stated plan I get a nice fat tax increase. That gives me a dog.



This reminds me of the people who say they have no interest in farming.   As the bumper sticker says,  "If you eat,  you have a vested interest in farming."   


We *ALL*  have a dog in this fight,  and it's called "survival"  and the avoidance of suffering.   


Some people just don't seem to realize their obvious dog in the fight.   



Btw anyone who believes the bottom limit on her tax increase will be 250k is flat nuts.


Anyone who believes a D@mned thing she says is flat nuts. 

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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #94 on: November 07, 2016, 08:54:27 pm »


Romney's Loss taught the GOP-NOTHING!


It taught the GOP primary base that a milquetoast nice guy will get his @$$ handed to him,   so therefore we need to get a "balls to the wall"  street fighter to carry the fight to them. 


McCain was "nice."  He lost.   Romney was "nice."   He Lost.    George Herbert Walker Bush was "nice."  He lost.   


Lesson learned:    Don't pick "nice"  guys,   pick people who have teeth.   


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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #95 on: November 07, 2016, 08:59:02 pm »

One who does not care about sharing their opinion has no need for an opinion  forum. 

You have this bad habit of applying to me the worst characteristics that you have apparently seen from someone else who may have happened to be on my side of this issue.     That's like me applying Donald Trump's behavior to you.   

You wouldn't agree that it's correct.   


I have said nothing about hunting you down with dogs.   More like I will just heap opprobrium on you.   

National Socialists in power offend me.   Between the two of us,  i'm not the one helping them gain power.

I'm not the one voting to empower a lifetime liberal. You are. Thats a reality.

YOU are the person offended with my sharing of opinion. Get it straight.

YOU are the person associated with the Trump side who is in fact, calling for all manner of unAmerican activities against people that disagree with your candidate. Which BTW, I have yet to see any of your fellows speak against.

Lets be perfectly clear about the above, shall we?

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« Reply #96 on: November 07, 2016, 08:59:32 pm »

4 more years before I have to care about it again.



From my perspective,  it is the height of naivety to believe we will continue business as usual.   


With a weaponized IRS,  a Weaponized FBI,  and a weaponized Homeland Security,  and a Weaponized every other branch of the Government,    the future is likely to look more like this:


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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #97 on: November 07, 2016, 09:00:01 pm »
Yup if Hillary wins a close election then NeverTrump will own it.

Couldn't stop him in the primary but you thought we could stop him in the general?

Do you know how stupid that is?

No, the 11 million who voted for the clown own him.  Completely.
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« Reply #98 on: November 07, 2016, 09:00:49 pm »


It isn't the left that would be voting for him.   It is the right,  and these attacks would have demoralized part of his core base.   The left would still vote for Hillary no matter what derogatory thing she said about "gays."

The left yes, I agree.  But there are a lot of voters out there who aren't on the left.  All those married women turned off by Trump's comments, millennials who are not yet politically fully committed...those are demographics (not to mention Hispanics) where he likely would have done better than Trump.  Although I agree he might have lost something on the blue collar end.

The key is that when push came to shove, how many conservative voters would have abandoned him over those issues, when the alternative was Hillary.  Eh, I guess none of this jaw-jacking will resolve it, because we'll never know.

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Christie would have been worse,   but I doubt Rubio would be doing better than Trump.   Over at TOS they were hating on Rubio all throughout the primary.   There was a *LOT*  of animosity about him flipping on the Amnesty issue.

Well, that's important if you think TOS really represents a significant percentage of voters, and whether the antipathy they had for him in the primary would have extended to him in a general election contest with Hillary.  Personally, I think TOS has reduced itself to a very unattractive, rather tiny corner of the electorate.  Most of the people with brains have fled.

FWIW, it appears that Hillary's people wanted Trump, and feared Rubio the most.
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Re: Last Day Before Election: Most Major Polls Have Hillary Clinton Winning
« Reply #99 on: November 07, 2016, 09:02:51 pm »
Couldn't stop him in the primary but you thought we could stop him in the general?

Do you know how stupid that is?

No, the 11 million who voted for the clown own him.  Completely.

And they will be reminded of it each and every time they try to shift the blame for their actions away from themselves.

Conservatives TRIED to stop them. They knew better. They told us openly and often we were not needed. The fault is theirs and theirs alone.