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Offline dfwgator

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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2016, 06:03:17 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on November 07, 2016, 05:57:56 pm
An eye single on ECONOMIC GROWTH.   Nontraditional families and emerging ethnic groups want good jobs, too.

The other problem is that we have a media that has gone out of their way to portray a pretty rosy picture of the economy.    This is one of the main reasons that Trump didn't get the traction he needed. 
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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2016, 06:15:32 pm »
Quote from: dfwgator on November 07, 2016, 06:01:26 pm
Then the Rats simply counter that with the usual attacks of "Tax cuts for the Rich, Voodoo Economics, etc."

Except now it's the GOP and their nominee who spout that same crap.

Uniparty indeed.
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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2016, 06:37:01 pm »
I was listening to Rush on the drive back from lunch. He made a good point, early voting wasn't nearly a factor in 1980 as it is today. Nor was cable news around to wear everyone down with 24/7 reporting.
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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2016, 06:40:01 pm »
Quote from: Night Hides Not on November 07, 2016, 06:37:01 pm
I was listening to Rush on the drive back from lunch. He made a good point, early voting wasn't nearly a factor in 1980 as it is today. Nor was cable news around to wear everyone down with 24/7 reporting.


Yeah excuses excuses...


So Rush already knows "we" lost?
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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2016, 06:43:12 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on November 07, 2016, 05:42:50 pm
Did you hear her latest screech fest? My God it was awful. I can't imagine listening to her for four or eight years. Shoot me now
There is not one single thing about the Beast that is likeable.  I would not be able to listen to the radio or tv as long as she is president, if she wins.  Her voice is suicide inducing.  At least when I hear the Donald's voice all I want to do is roll my eyes.  I'd rather roll my eyes for the next 4 years than want to kill myself.
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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2016, 06:47:42 pm »
Quote from: beandog on November 07, 2016, 06:43:12 pm
There is not one single thing about the Beast that is likeable.  I would not be able to listen to the radio or tv as long as she is president, if she wins.  Her voice is suicide inducing.  At least when I hear the Donald's voice all I want to do is roll my eyes.  I'd rather roll my eyes for the next 4 years than want to kill myself.

At what point will you recognize we suffered a velvet coup that the vast majority now applaud?
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2016, 07:48:22 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on November 07, 2016, 04:16:13 pm
Vanity - This is not 1980

Really? You mean I can't go down the Pontiac dealer and *order a new Bonneville?



(*For those who don't know, you used to have to order your car and wait a month for it to be built.)

I wanna land barge.   :hard crying:
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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2016, 07:51:43 pm »
Quote from: dfwgator on November 07, 2016, 05:49:33 pm
Just how do you propose to do that?

I think Jazzhead is on the right track.  The conservative movement has to be aspirational, not mournful and paranoid.  If you listen to a Trump speech, there is plenty of whining, but no workable solutions are offered.  It's a downer.  The person we pick to lead the party must be capable of speaking to a wide range of voters.  You can go along way towards winning a man's vote by acknowledging his existence.  Bush did that with hispanics and got 44% of their support.  With Trump I'm not sure he knows about anybody other than blue collar factory workers rendered obsolete by NAFTA.
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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2016, 07:53:36 pm »
Reagan had a huge led in all the polls for months and months
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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2016, 08:01:52 pm »
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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2016, 08:02:43 pm »
Quote from: cato potatoe on November 07, 2016, 07:51:43 pm
I think Jazzhead is on the right track.  The conservative movement has to be aspirational, not mournful and paranoid.  If you listen to a Trump speech, there is plenty of whining, but no workable solutions are offered.  It's a downer.  The person we pick to lead the party must be capable of speaking to a wide range of voters.  You can go along way towards winning a man's vote by acknowledging his existence.  Bush did that with hispanics and got 44% of their support.  With Trump I'm not sure he knows about anybody other than blue collar factory workers rendered obsolete by NAFTA.

The problem with working hard today is that the government usually takes more than half of what you earn (fed, state, local, et al). That's why Reagan's 28% top tax rate was genius.

It's not what you make anymore, it's what you keep.
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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2016, 08:09:36 pm »
Quote from: geronl on November 07, 2016, 07:53:36 pm
Reagan had a huge led in all the polls for months and months

Pretty much ... in the modern era of polling, there have been no last minute come-from-behind winners at the presidential level.  1968 and 1976 were pretty close, but the voters reverted to the early favorites in the end.
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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2016, 08:19:12 pm »
Quote from: Just_Victor on November 07, 2016, 07:48:22 pm
I wanna land barge.   :hard crying:

LOL. Come to my house. I have the market cornered.
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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2016, 08:57:29 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on November 07, 2016, 08:19:12 pm
LOL. Come to my house. I have the market cornered.


   I bet you do, @Frank Cannon

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« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2016, 09:00:32 pm »
Quote from: corbe on November 07, 2016, 08:57:29 pm

   I bet you do, @Frank Cannon



G'pa used to get a new one of those for G'ma every year. 
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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2016, 09:45:08 pm »
Quote from: corbe on November 07, 2016, 08:57:29 pm

   I bet you do, @Frank Cannon



Actually @corbe  I am a Cadillac man. Recently picked up this 60K mile one owner......

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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2016, 09:56:08 pm »
I had one of these for a few years back in the late 80s....


1976 Chrysler New Yorker Brougham

Nothing like a land yacht!
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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2016, 10:11:56 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on November 07, 2016, 09:45:08 pm
Actually @corbe  I am a Cadillac man. Recently picked up this 60K mile one owner......



   Looks pristine for a GM product of that Era, Especially up North with all the Salt.
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« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2016, 10:13:19 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on November 07, 2016, 09:45:08 pm
Actually @corbe  I am a Cadillac man. Recently picked up this 60K mile one owner......


@Frank Cannon
Like the station wagon, what is it?
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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2016, 10:15:51 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on November 07, 2016, 04:18:58 pm
I strongly disagree with anyone saying Reagan wouldn't win today. If the GOP nomined someone as likable and personable as Reagan today he would win.


We've I st had shitty candidates and the dems have gotten really good at nominating likable candidates.

We've had plenty of good candidates.

The problem is that the GOP primary voter never votes for them.
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« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2016, 10:21:52 pm »
Quote from: cato potatoe on November 07, 2016, 07:51:43 pm
I think Jazzhead is on the right track.  The conservative movement has to be aspirational, not mournful and paranoid.  If you listen to a Trump speech, there is plenty of whining, but no workable solutions are offered.  It's a downer.  The person we pick to lead the party must be capable of speaking to a wide range of voters.  You can go along way towards winning a man's vote by acknowledging his existence.  Bush did that with hispanics and got 44% of their support.  With Trump I'm not sure he knows about anybody other than blue collar factory workers rendered obsolete by NAFTA.

Yep.

And in Rubio, we had a candidate that:

1. had the home-state advantage in Florida (critical for any GOP win)
2. had a positive, aspirational message for *ALL* Americans
3. had a personal life story that embodied the American Dream (rags-to-riches, son of immigrants to President)

So naturally, the GOP primary voters hated him.
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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #46 on: November 07, 2016, 10:35:15 pm »
Quote from: cato potatoe on November 07, 2016, 07:51:43 pm
I think Jazzhead is on the right track.  The conservative movement has to be aspirational, not mournful and paranoid.  If you listen to a Trump speech, there is plenty of whining, but no workable solutions are offered.  It's a downer.  The person we pick to lead the party must be capable of speaking to a wide range of voters.  You can go along way towards winning a man's vote by acknowledging his existence.  Bush did that with hispanics and got 44% of their support.  With Trump I'm not sure he knows about anybody other than blue collar factory workers rendered obsolete by NAFTA.

Reagan's 1980 nomination acceptance speech set the perfect tone. Reagan rightfully laid plenty of blame at the feet of the democrats but then he moved on and spoke of what we could do together as a nation. Reagan went 180 degrees in the opposite direction as Trump.




www.youtube.com/watch?v=nukzTmu8tPA
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Re: Vanity - This is not 1980
« Reply #47 on: November 07, 2016, 11:03:34 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on November 07, 2016, 10:13:19 pm
@Frank Cannon
Like the station wagon, what is it?

A '76 Olds Custom Cruiser that I dropped a high compression 455 in to obliterate punk kids in tuner cars.
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« Reply #48 on: November 07, 2016, 11:04:38 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on November 07, 2016, 11:03:34 pm
A '76 Olds Custom Cruiser that I dropped a high compression 455 in to obliterate punk kids in tuner cars.

Sweet!  We used to have a Custom Cruiser back in the day with the rear facing third seat. 
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« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2016, 11:11:08 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on November 07, 2016, 11:04:38 pm
Sweet!  We used to have a Custom Cruiser back in the day with the rear facing third seat.

In '76 all full size GM wagon 3rd seats were forward facing.



Mine also has the electric disappearing gate.

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