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If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« on: November 05, 2016, 05:24:19 pm »
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/04/if-donald-trump-wins-new-age-endarkenment?CMP=fb_gu

If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness

Jonathan Freedland

Friday 4 November 2016 15.26 EDT Last modified on Saturday 5 November 2016 11.09 EDT

We are standing on the brink of the abyss. And, like anyone who’s ever peered into a chasm, we are experiencing a queasy, sinking feeling. All round the world, not just in the United States, people are contemplating the prospect that on Wednesday morning we will wake to hear of victory for Donald J Trump.

The mere imagining of that outcome is inducing anxiety in those far away from the action. I don’t just mean obsessives such as me, who spend the midnight hour checking the early voting returns from Washoe County, Nevada. Otherwise normal people also confess to being reduced to nervous wrecks by the thought that Trump might actually win. They chart their mood swings on social media, delighting in hopeful news – Hillary Clinton up in ABC News tracking poll! – or panicking at any sign the snake-oil salesman might pull it off, such as today’s Washington Post headline: “Donald Trump has never been closer to the presidency than he is at this moment”, I could feel my palms turn clammy.

In Britain we feel especially vulnerable. If you voted remain, the memory of a ballot going the wrong way is fresh. And not just any ballot, but one you believe will cause lasting, epochal damage. The thought that Tuesday might bring the second such moment in a year is one to dread.

Thanks to Brexit, the usual reassurances – the expert endorsements, the polling data – have lost their calming properties. In June the smart money, including the betting markets, said remain had it in the bag. Burnt by that experience, nothing can soothe us now – except the right result. Until then, we have to chew our fingernails, hit refresh on the Real Clear Politics polling page and wait.

Many, especially in the US, will have a ready response: what’s it got to do with you? To which the answer is: plenty. The experience of the last photo-finish election – Bush v Gore in 2000 – taught many non-Americans a lesson we could not forget. Americans decide, but their decision affects the entire world. The supreme court’s installation of George W Bush as president had a profound and global impact. Just over a year later, Bush was agitating to invade Iraq, a choice whose consequences we live with still. (In Britain the focus is always on Tony Blair, as it was again this week when John Chilcot faced MPs. But that war would never have happened without Bush.)

It's the contempt Trump shows for democratic norms that has people fearing they are witness to something akin to fascism
So a President Trump will change lives far beyond the US. An American leader who believes climate change is a Chinese hoax, who believes terror suspects should be tortured and their family members killed, who believes that Saudi Arabia should have nuclear weapons, who is fascinated by nukes’ power of “devastation” and who has asked repeatedly why the US doesn’t use them; a man who says, “I love war”; a man who drools in admiration for Vladimir Putin and whose disregard for Nato, and refusal to promise to defend a member state if attacked, would all but invite Moscow to invade one of the Baltic states – such a man would plunge all of us into a dark future. That we are not living in the US will not protect us.

But his impact will be felt – is perhaps already being felt – in a more subtle way too. For like it or not, the US and Britain breathe some of the same air. Their politics rubs off on us. (This year, unusually, it’s worked the other way around too: Trump invokes Brexit daily.)

So a Trump presidency would exert a pull beyond America’s shores. Suspicion of migrants, loathing of Muslims, a desire to put up walls and roll back social progress – these currents exist everywhere. Were Trump to win, they would have the endorsement of the most powerful office in the world. For eight years, Barack Obama has been a cautionary voice, counselling against the global rush towards xenophobia and insularity. If Trump replaces him, white nationalism will have command of the world’s loudest megaphone. Racists and bigots everywhere will feel validated, vindicated – and mobilised.

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Re: If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2016, 05:31:51 pm »
If Clinton wins you will be wishing for a new age of darkness.

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Re: If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2016, 05:40:44 pm »
This article is just ridiculous!!!!
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Re: If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2016, 05:45:03 pm »
This article is just ridiculous!!!!
You read it ? I skimmed .

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Re: If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2016, 05:52:05 pm »
You read it ? I skimmed .

Me too..that was enough..
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Re: If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2016, 05:53:54 pm »
It's going to be dark either way....since this is apparently the "best" that America could come up with.  That is what happens to societies when they sink to new depths of depravity and mindlessness.  They fall and they fail.
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Re: If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2016, 05:55:10 pm »
Considering the implication in the title, that a Hillary administration will bring the light, I didn't even skim it.

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Re: If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2016, 08:06:43 pm »
This article is just ridiculous!!!!
Remember "Trump or a thousand years of darkness?"

Yeah, I guess the argument apparently is being made on both sides now.
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Re: If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2016, 08:09:11 pm »
If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness

Yeah. Because President Hitlary will be all sweetness and light.

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Re: If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2016, 08:09:18 pm »
darkenss for libs and establishment traitors maybe
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Re: If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2016, 08:12:46 pm »
darkenss for libs and establishment traitors maybe

I see you are going thread to thread calling members traitors..consider this your first and only warning to knock it off...or you are history!
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Re: If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2016, 08:14:37 pm »
It is actually darkness that has resulted in our having a choice between Hillary and Donald in this election in our two major parties.

If there were enough light in America, we would have chosen more wisely.....
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Re: If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2016, 08:18:53 pm »
The msm that pampered this pervert for ratings has brought this era of darkness to America.   Like a fungus, he is here to stay, complements of scammity, rush, and assorted other prostitutes.

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Re: If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2016, 08:24:45 pm »
It is actually darkness that has resulted in our having a choice between Hillary and Donald in this election in our two major parties.

If there were enough light in America, we would have chosen more wisely.....

Yup.

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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2016, 08:47:24 pm »
The msm that pampered this pervert for ratings has brought this era of darkness to America.   Like a fungus, he is here to stay, complements of scammity, rush, and assorted other prostitutes.

And remember, any vote for him is a reward to those that brought us to this point.

Rewards tend to spur more of the same behavior.

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Re: If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2016, 08:55:57 pm »
Darkness is here, regardless of which of these two sickening clowns of embarrassment are seated on the throne.

Consequences of a people and society that have decided they have no use for our foundational principles.

Expect worse from here on out.
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Re: If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2016, 10:09:27 pm »
This article is just ridiculous!!!!

This particular article is ridiculous, but make no mistake otherwise: Either a Donaldus Minimus or a Hilarious
Rodent Clinton presidency will usher in, if not an absolute age of darkness, at least the threat of one.


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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2016, 11:02:25 pm »
darkenss for libs and establishment traitors maybe

Traitors?  Are you effing kidding me?  Are the guillotines set up already?  Planning to use those FEMA camps the tinfoil types keep insisting Obama set up?

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Re: If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2016, 12:30:53 am »
When I filled out my absentee ballot in early October I left the top of the ticket blank.  How would I explain to my family that I supported either of these two candidates. 

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2016, 03:27:01 pm »
This has been an election of maximum hyperbole.

But, I'm safe in saying that, regardless of whose elected, we will see the size and scope of government grow and deficits and debt rising.
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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2016, 03:28:37 pm »
When I filled out my absentee ballot in early October I left the top of the ticket blank.  How would I explain to my family that I supported either of these two candidates. 

Exactly the way I feel.  I haven't voted yet, but on Tuesday if I can't make protest vote for third party or write-in, I'm leaving the top blank.  Down-ballot I go all-in republican.  I actually really like two of the folks who are running for state office.
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Re: If Donald Trump wins, it’ll be a new age of darkness
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2016, 04:22:43 pm »
Geez, the only new age I think we are entering is a new age of drama queens...

As I've often said I can't figure out where the folks live that their lives are effected on a daily basis by who is president. Expecting any politician to change ones life for the better or worse, for that matter, seems to me  the result of a basic misunderstanding of how the American system of government works. Whoever is elected is facing four years of gridlock where nothing will get done.

The American public does not trust any politician so they essentially do the same thing over and over every election...elect incompetent political hacks to Congress incapable of coming together to enact any president's agenda. I'm frankly amazed anyone expects any change forcoming out of the election with these two candidates..