To Anti-Trumpsters (a Burma Shave Poem)

[musiclady]

That's nothing.

Had a long-time self-identifying Christian gal I know who learned I was voting for Castle, actually state that I have committed an unpardonable sin - and that God does not forgive.

I laughed and told her that we obviously worship a different God.

It's interesting that such people will state that God forgives the homosexual and adultery or abortion agenda, going on to laud Trump's conversion from braggadocios adulterer - but in the same breath insist God will not, and cannot forgive someone who votes for anyone other than Trump.

The ignorance of Scripture by people claiming to be Christian is astounding.  And the ability to brainwash them is even more startling.

It's not surprising that the Church in America is so weak, is it?

If Donald Trump is an idol to be worshipped, how far has the Church crumbled?

[roamer_1]

The ignorance of Scripture by people claiming to be Christian is astounding.  And the ability to brainwash them is even more startling.

It's not surprising that the Church in America is so weak, is it?

If Donald Trump is an idol to be worshipped, how far has the Church crumbled?

To be fair, many, many recoil in absolute revulsion. Like I just said upthread, I now officially know not a single soul that is voting for the Cheeto-dust 'king'. What a happy day for me!

Most of my friends are hard core fundamentalists of one stripe or another... All of them are rough around the edges types that owe their life to Yeshua, and they know it.

 

[musiclady]

To be fair, many, many recoil in absolute revulsion. Like I just said upthread, I now officially know not a single soul that is voting for the Cheeto-dust 'king'. What a happy day for me!

Most of my friends are hard core fundamentalists of one stripe or another... All of them are rough around the edges types that owe their life to Yeshua, and they know it.

I know a few, but the majority can't stomach the thought of voting for a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-men in the girls' bathroom, sexual pervert.

I can't, for the life of me, understand why a single Christian can vote for this amoral cretin.

[LateForLunch]

How bigaboy are ya?

That's an odd question. Why do you ask. Looking for a date?

[LateForLunch]

I know a few, but the majority can't stomach the thought of voting for a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-men in the girls' bathroom, sexual pervert.

I can't, for the life of me, understand why a single Christian can vote for this amoral cretin.

So by that logic, it's better by not acting (a form of action called wasting a vote) you allow a worse person to come to power. Forgive me but I fail to see how that makes sense. Perhaps you can explain it to me? You can save the explanation if you are one of those who believe that they have supernatural powers to determine beyond all reasonable doubt that the future will hold. I must say, I wish that I had as much faith in my own abilities to judge character as you.

[roamer_1]

I can't, for the life of me, understand why a single Christian can vote for this amoral cretin.

Me neither. At least in the Christian Right.
But there, perhaps, is food for thought - I have admired non-denominational Evangelicals - Generally more 'praise' oriented than fundamental... But their claim was fairly valid in that they rejected the traditions that infect old-school Protestant denominations. While they are fairly impervious to the evil that comes slowly through centuries, it seems they have proven themselves easily tossed by current events.

The serpent comes in many ways.

 

[Wingnut]

That's an odd question. Why do you ask. Looking for a date?

Bout what I thought. ... you ain't bigger than a bar of soap.

[roamer_1]

So by that logic, it's better by not acting (a form of action called wasting a vote) you allow a worse person to come to power. Forgive me but I fail to see how that makes sense.

'A worse person' is subjective, not in evidence.

We are being asked to endorse - There is no 'voting against'. If all Conservatives thought as you do, Trump would not only win, but win with a gigantic mandate. Conservatism would be mandating NYC big-government socialism and NYC values. A pox upon that day, because that is the day wherein we are truly lost.

[LateForLunch]

Your poem was intended to insult.  It may be funny to you, but even in your so-called "humor," your point was to insult.'

Whining about being insulted just makes you look like a wimp.

And a dishonest one at that.

More supernatural powers eh? How the heck would you know what I intended by posting a humorous dig at anti-Trumpsters? To be honest I wanted to stimulate a conversation not necessarily to change minds (since most of those who have responded seem to be fanatics who have no inclination to alter their choice) but to demonstrate how devoid of rational substance the anti=-Trump arguments really are. Nobody will answer simple questions with simple answers - they try to obfuscate and confuse with verbiage and lofty rhetoric but make no substantive points. They dance but never advance. So careful with that ax claiming moral superiority and keen insight,  Eugene. It cuts both ways. If we would speak of being thin-skinned, what of you and others who go absolutely ape-sh*t because of a humorous poem. I mean, just review and count all of the unprovoked, crude, personal insults in the first ten response posts then tell me that I was the one complaining or insulting too much.  You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts, Chatelaine.

[LateForLunch]

'A worse person' is subjective, not in evidence.

We are being asked to endorse - There is no 'voting against'. If all Conservatives thought as you do, Trump would not only win, but win with a gigantic mandate. Conservatism would be mandating NYC big-government socialism and NYC values. A pox upon that day, because that is the day wherein we are truly lost.

Fiddle faddle.  This is a logic gate with two options. Current goes to gate "A" that circuit is activated. Current goes to "B" and that one is on. Don't try to over-complicate things. You are indulging in morbid fantasies about Mr. Trump and calling them "reasonable conjecture". One can reasonably assume that Trump is at worst, a populist who wants to be reelected. So it is reasonable to assume therefore, that he will make decisions that would tend to refrain from alienating most of the people who elected him the first time.

If you cannot agree to that much we are way too far apart to have a productive conversation about politics.

[musiclady]

So by that logic, it's better by not acting (a form of action called wasting a vote) you allow a worse person to come to power. Forgive me but I fail to see how that makes sense. Perhaps you can explain it to me? You can save the explanation if you are one of those who believe that they have supernatural powers to determine beyond all reasonable doubt that the future will hold. I must say, I wish that I had as much faith in my own abilities to judge character as you.

You really do think you're a clever boy, don't you?

My faith is not in my own abilities, as is yours, but in an Almighty God, and a set of standards that supercedes the human judgment on which you rely.

It says that integrity and character are of the utmost importance, and that supporting sin and overlooking not only a vile nature, but one who is proud of his perversion, is not acceptable.

I have no doubt that nothing anyone else says will convince you that you are wrong, because here you are, trolling on a conservative forum cheerleading for a liberal pervert, and trying to convince Christians to go against their moral code.

Somehow, the confusion that you display regarding morality, doesn't indicate that you are open to the truth about its importance.

[musiclady]

More supernatural powers eh? How the heck would you know what I intended by posting a humorous dig at anti-Trumpsters? Careful with that ax, Eugene. It cuts both ways. If we would speak of being thin-skinned, what of you and others who go absolutely ape-sh*t because of a humorous poem. I mean, just review and count all of the unprovoked, crude, personal insults in the first ten response posts then tell me that I was the one complaining or insulting too much.  You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts, Chatelaine.

Time to put the insulting, provoking, non-thinking troll on Ignore.

There's no intelligent life in there, Scotty......

 

[roamer_1]

Fiddle faddle.  This is a logic gate with two options. Current goes to gate "A" that circuit is activated. Current goes to "B" and that one is on.

OK. The circuit I am interested in is Conservatism. That's what needs to light up.
The logic gate does only have two options : 'Conservatism' and 'not Conservatism'.

There are only two options that could activate that circuit, and neither one of them is yours.

Don't try to over-complicate things.

It isn't complicated at all - This is the simplest election I have ever participated in.

You are indulging in morbid fantasies about Mr. Trump and calling them "reasonable conjecture".

I am not. I am indulging in looking at his own record and the things that come out of his own mouth.

One can reasonably assume that Trump is at worst, a populist who wants to be reelected. So it is reasonable to assume therefore, that he will make decisions that would tend to refrain from alienating most of the people who elected him the first time.

Utter pap. His problem in the here and now is BECAUSE he is alienating people to get his way.
 

If you cannot agree to that much we are way too far apart to have a productive conversation about politics.

Then there it is.

[roamer_1]

Oh come on, give it a shot.

There once was a man from the city
whose liberal bent was so sh...

No, that won't do...

Here I sit upon my rump
Giving birth to another T...

Nope... can't help it.

[INVAR]

More supernatural powers eh? How the heck would you know what I intended by posting a humorous dig at anti-Trumpsters? To be honest I wanted to stimulate a conversation not necessarily to change minds (since most of those who have responded seem to be fanatics who have no inclination to alter their choice) but to demonstrate how devoid of rational substance the anti=-Trump arguments really are.

So by your own words, all you intended to do with the OP was to insult, and couch it in clever justification.

The lengths of effort you thugs for Trump go to in order to flick the noses and to ridicule the principles of those who refuse to vote the way you demand they vote, is truly amazing.

But that is what evil does. It never permits or allows the liberty of conscience from dead works go unassailed.

[musiclady]

So by your own words, all you intended to do with the OP was to insult, and couch it in clever justification.

The lengths of effort you thugs for Trump go to in order to flick the noses and to ridicule the principles of those who refuse to vote the way you demand they vote, is truly amazing.

But that is what evil does. It never permits or allows the liberty of conscience from dead works go unassailed.

This one is proud of his lack of principles and mocking us for not giving up on ours.

It's absolutely shameful, and yet he's proud of himself for being 'malleable' and willing to support evil.

btw, there wasn't anything 'clever' about anything he posted........ only in his own mind.

[Cripplecreek]

So by your own words, all you intended to do with the OP was to insult, and couch it in clever justification.

The lengths of effort you thugs for Trump go to in order to flick the noses and to ridicule the principles of those who refuse to vote the way you demand they vote, is truly amazing.

But that is what evil does. It never permits or allows the liberty of conscience from dead works go unassailed.

Why I don't even bother to engage trumpers anymore. I really have no more in common with them than I have with democrats.

[musiclady]

Why I don't even bother to engage trumpers anymore. I really have no more in common with them than I have with democrats.

I think that may be because that's exactly what they are.......

[jmyrlefuller]

Why I don't even bother to engage trumpers anymore. I really have no more in common with them than I have with democrats.

I still like to egg them on every once in a while, just to expose how silly their arguments are.

[EasyAce]

[LMAO]

Trump gets a lot of criticism from so many hammer-heads because he is "capricious, unpredictable" - yet these same angry critics insist in the same breath that Trump's actions as president can be predicted with absolute certainty. Help me out - WHICH IS IT???? Is Trump so predictable that his behavior can be foreseen with absolute precision or not !? ! If not, then there is at least some chance that he may do something that cannot be predicted such as make better choices than Hill-O-Lies ?  WHICH IS IT !?!  Pick a position and stay with it for at least one post!

@LateForLunch

Nobody can say with 100% certainty what a Trump presidency would look like. But we can, through many past and present statements and actions, get some sort of hint. We know he cannot take any criticism. That's fine when he just has a Twitter account but what happens when he controls government agencies? He has also made it clear he plans to spend more and grow the size of the federal government. He has given support to some kind of government healthcare plan. In fact, he was the only Republican in the primary that has given a shout out to the Canadian system. The same Canadian healthcare system, BTW, that even the Canadian government has admitted it's not sustainable. He's also backed minimum wage increase. The list goes on.




So, in summary, I suspect we will see a return of  "Compassionate Conservatism" under Trump.
And we will probably see trillion dollar deficits again under his watch. Borrowing and printing will have the same ill effects on our long term economic growth and currency regardless if it happens under a Clinton administration or Trump.

 I don't buy into the belief that we can have more government largess as long as we do it "smarter."

[ShadowAce]

Absolute nonsense. I have forgotten more about the electoral process than you have even known, my insulting, fanatically anti-Trump, irrational friend.

@LateForLunch
Wow.  I make a one-line comment about a screed that you later claim to be humorous, and all of a sudden you know everything about me.  I'm truly impressed.

As most fanatical anti-Trumpsters, Shadow Ace denies reality in order to remake it into something that assuages his conscience  (maybe some sane part of him which still remains feels badly about throwing his vote away as if it is worthless). The purpose for the election is to select a president from those candidates who can win. What other possible good reason is there to vote?

You know what I'm denying and you know what my conscience is saying.  Again--pretty impressive.

But you're wrong--the purpose of the election is not to select from two bad choices.  It's to endorse the person whom you believe would be best for the country.  There are no candidates in this election that fit that criterium for me.

Dress up that reality in whatever Halloween costume you like, with each adornment, you separate further and further from reality.

 If you do not want to accept any possibility that Trump might be better than Hill-O-Lies as an act of faith or intuition, then do so. But don't keep shoving nonsense in my face such as "there is some other good reason for voting than selecting one candidate who can win or the other" (here is the most popular one: "sending a statement).

"better" does not equal "good."  I was not shoving any nonsense at all toward you.  I made one comment about the electoral college.  Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn to read for comprehension

If you refuse to vote for one of the candidates who can win, you are sending only one statement which will endure over history, "I am not really serious about exercising my voting franchise" and no other.

Wrong again.  I am sending the message that neither candidate is good for this country.

[LateForLunch]

I want to thank all who participated in this thread.

 It was my hope to see on display exactly what I saw – your true natures and soul (or lack of it) revealed for all to see. With only one or two exceptions (you know who you are and may God bless you for your classiness) you Anti-Trumpsters have outdone yourselves and not disappointed in the slightest on this thread! Hopefully others who may be undecided will recall this shameful spectacle when they vote.

We have seen the scornful, derisive self-assurance of the committed nihilists! Indulging in morbid fantasies and calling it “realism”. Foretelling the future and making absolutist positive declarations of other’s motives as if one can read minds in one moment, then condemning the candidate in the next as “obviously crazy”.

Peppering justifications for resigning from any meaningful participation in the political process with odd, self-contradicting flights of “logic” : first “the candidate is unpredictable and cannot be trusted,” then in the next breath swearing to God and all men, “we know with certainty exactly what he will do”. Absurdity heaped upon absurdity.

And worst of all, the mountains of abusive vituperation against those who disagree (no matter how politely, they are Cretinously insulted, marginalized, dehumanized) – these sort who accept gracious praise from tolerant others who support the candidate and yield their reasons on request! Amid their admissions of the candidate's flaws, admissions of inconsistent past behavior, admissions of imperfections scowling walk the condemners too self important to find humility or doubt in themselves!  The jaded scoffers who hoard these concessions to bland reality like greedy villagers gathering lumps of metal to sequester, gloat, marvel over and finger in private ecstasy cooing and drooling.

And gathering together in a loose fraternity of hate – lofting up hopelessness like a banner of glory – GIVE UP!! They cry!  THERE IS NO HOPE!!

Heroic.

A graceful powerful swan dive off a cliff edge onto the rocks!  Like the Spartans of Thermopylae turned craven, shrugging their shoulders, and deriding their King - barking over their shoulders as they wander off to be overrun by the Persians one town at a time, “You can’t be trusted, Leonidas! You have skeletons in your closet and you give up too easily! We are going to wait for a perfect leader as we are perfect. Call us back when you are a good, worthy person as we are, but not before!! Until then, we will show you and all others so audacious as to venture to defend the land, our back!! We are too good for the likes of you We will find our glorious destiny in making seats of our hands!!

Selah. 

[aligncare]

Well, thank you for being the most honest of anyone else by far AbraXas!!!

So it's 80/20. Since it is safe to assume that you are willing to accept the possibility that Hill-O-Lies will be as bad or worse than the Eightball Obama with 100% certainty, what you are saying is that you are unwilling to accept the 20 % possibility that you will be avoiding absolute disaster for the nation?

So if you were faced with a choice of eleven doors, (ten unknown and one that you knew would lead to Hill-O-Lies as your jailer) with the knowledge that two lead to freedom, you would not choose one of the remaining unknown doors but would instead sit on your hands and let blind fate carry you through which ever door they liked?

With all due respect, (and that is great) that does not sound like much like courage to me. It sounds ( forgive me) like the act (or refusal to act) of a man whose spirit has been broken and who no longer wants to even try to control his own destiny. Twenty percent chance is much, much  better than nothing - especially in a universe with a loving God in heaven to assist us.

Roll the bones.
 
We go out in the world and take our chances
Fate is just the weight of circumstances
That's the way that Lady Luck dances
Roll the bones

Why are we here?
Because we're here
Roll the bones
Why does it happen?
Because it happens
Roll the bones.         

If you live in a deathly blue state, then your vote for president literally means almost nothing. In a swing state however, yours could be a decisive vote. Carpe diem! Add your fractional voltage to the circuit that fries any chance that Hill-O-Lies will become president.

Zero chance, friend, that anyone who proudly proclaims their NeverTrump status will heed your rational analysis. Unfortunately, for most, it's a matter of wounded pride before country – they still haven't gotten over the beating their primary candidates took. Anyway, that's how I see it. Why else would normally sane individuals die on this HILLary – and risk a known quantity like the Clinton crime family and their progressive minions back in to the White House?

[aligncare]

Be specific if you can, which I frankly doubt. Yours is the common response from anti-Trumpsters. Full of insults but devoid of facts.

The poem was meant as humor. As a resuilt of posting humor, I have been accused of being ignorant of the electorate process (you refuse to say why) arrogance ( ditto) zealotry (ditto). So answer the question or admit that you can't. Don't be afraid, I will listen.

And BTW he is a man, he can defend himself or do you doubt that?

And  pointing out cretnious, unprovoked insults is not whining, it's mention a lack of class. Note that of all of the posts, the anti-Trumpters are the ones with numerous insults and all I did was post a humorous poem. That speaks volumes about who has more class.

I don't mean to pester you on this point, but you're talking to a brick wall. But, if you got the time...knock yourself out. Experience is the best teacher.