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Clinton fails to contain the damage from email leaks
« on: October 28, 2016, 02:05:24 pm »
By Jonathan Easley and Katie Bo Williams - 10/28/16 06:01 AM EDT



Hillary Clinton has failed to effectively contain the damage from the release of thousands of campaign chairman John Podesta’s personal emails, giving new ammunition to Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.

The fallout from the daily releases have raised concerns among Democrats that even if Clinton is elected president, the controversy will follow her into the White House.

The Clinton campaign has refused to confirm the authenticity of the emails and has sought to cast doubt on them at every turn, noting that the exchanges were stolen by Russian hackers and could have been doctored.

They have sought to deflect attention from the contents of the emails by describing the hacks as an unprecedented interference in the U.S. election by foreign adversaries that threatens the nation’s sovereignty.

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Re: Clinton fails to contain the damage from email leaks
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2016, 02:07:37 pm »
By Jonathan Easley and Katie Bo Williams - 10/28/16 06:01 AM EDT



Hillary Clinton has failed to effectively contain the damage from the release of thousands of campaign chairman John Podesta’s personal emails, giving new ammunition to Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.

The fallout from the daily releases have raised concerns among Democrats that even if Clinton is elected president, the controversy will follow her into the White House.

The Clinton campaign has refused to confirm the authenticity of the emails and has sought to cast doubt on them at every turn, noting that the exchanges were stolen by Russian hackers and could have been doctored.

They have sought to deflect attention from the contents of the emails by describing the hacks as an unprecedented interference in the U.S. election by foreign adversaries that threatens the nation’s sovereignty.

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Re: Clinton fails to contain the damage from email leaks
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2016, 02:08:11 pm »
The best thing to do with these emails is ignore Trump, focus on maintaining GOP control of Congress, and then using the emails as the basis for impeaching President Clinton. 

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Re: Clinton fails to contain the damage from email leaks
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2016, 02:10:32 pm »
Lost in all this Trump detritus is how remarkable it is that all of this dirt has been brought to light.

These emails along with the Project Veritas stuff basically are dozens of smoking guns.


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Re: Clinton fails to contain the damage from email leaks
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2016, 02:10:44 pm »
I'm not sure what "Contain damage" even means at this point.

I just don't see or hear anyone saying that this will change their mind one way or the other.

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Re: Clinton fails to contain the damage from email leaks
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2016, 02:11:29 pm »
The best thing to do with these emails is ignore Trump, focus on maintaining GOP control of Congress, and then using the emails as the basis for impeaching President Clinton.

LOL. That's quaint. If she was able to skate on blatant illegalities as a private citizen, you really think there is a shot in hell she will be touched as President?

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Re: Clinton fails to contain the damage from email leaks
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2016, 02:17:17 pm »
The best thing to do with these emails is ignore Trump, focus on maintaining GOP control of Congress, and then using the emails as the basis for impeaching President Clinton.

What would be the rationale for impeachment?
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Re: Clinton fails to contain the damage from email leaks
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2016, 02:27:48 pm »
I'm not sure what "Contain damage" even means at this point.

I think it means that President Hillary gets no honeymoon, and starts her administration with little or no political capital.  The general tone of the e-mails is not only Nixonian, but the more recent ones have begun to suggest the outlines of provable corruption in the form of collusion and "pay for play" between the Dept. of State and the Clinton Foundation.

The Washington Post may have caught the faintest whiff of blood in the water, and has been publishing articles on some of the revelations.  The idea that they may bring down another president is indeed enticing, and it would also be a good business move to create space between the paper, and the party it has protected for so long.

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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2016, 02:30:28 pm »
What would be the rationale for impeachment?

As far as I can tell, there is none. Impeachment is for wrongdoing as President
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2016, 02:30:59 pm »
What would be the rationale for impeachment?

An interesting question.  Presumably it would involve some proof of collusion between Dept. of State and the Clinton Foundation, which is actually illegal.  Whether or not that constitutes "high crimes and misdemeanors" as they pertain to the president is open to question, since she was not president at the time of the corrupt practices.

However, resignation is still on the table....
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2016, 02:37:43 pm »
An interesting question.  Presumably it would involve some proof of collusion between Dept. of State and the Clinton Foundation, which is actually illegal.  Whether or not that constitutes "high crimes and misdemeanors" as they pertain to the president is open to question, since she was not president at the time of the corrupt practices.

However, resignation is still on the table....

In other words, it's not even a question.   

Just what the public wants:  four more years of feckless investigations that go nowhere.   How does one even prove that these emails are real?
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2016, 02:40:27 pm »
I think it means that President Hillary gets no honeymoon, and starts her administration with little or no political capital.  The general tone of the e-mails is not only Nixonian, but the more recent ones have begun to suggest the outlines of provable corruption in the form of collusion and "pay for play" between the Dept. of State and the Clinton Foundation.

The Washington Post may have caught the faintest whiff of blood in the water, and has been publishing articles on some of the revelations.  The idea that they may bring down another president is indeed enticing, and it would also be a good business move to create space between the paper, and the party it has protected for so long.

IMO things like honeymoons and mandates are anachronisms where democrats are concerned, with the media more willing than ever to carry progressive water, and democrats emboldened by their success in growing government power and lining their pockets in the process.

Hillary will shove her agenda down the public's throat, just like Obama has, goodwill be damned. The payoff is just too big and risks increasingly inconsequential.

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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2016, 02:51:46 pm »
In other words, it's not even a question.   

Just what the public wants:  four more years of feckless investigations that go nowhere.

That depends, though.  The investigations have, or don't have, an effect depending on the sort of coverage the media gives them.  As cynical or craven or partisan or pandering as they may be, the media always have reasons for reporting as they do.

The thing about Hillary Clinton is, she's an awful human being: utterly dishonest, relentlessly calculating and cynical, recognizably corrupt, and in all ways the worst possible vessel for whatever "progressive" hopes the media and liberal upper crust may cherish.

As a matter of power politics, the Democrats could well decide to dispense with Hillary Clinton.  The Obama wing hates her; and her very ghastliness stands to wreak havoc on their future chances.  There's a good argument to be made for getting rid of her sooner rather than later in favor of Kaine, whose anonymity is a virtue -- they can paint his portrait in the best possible way.

As a matter of business, the media desperately need some way to re-establish credibility with the general public.  How better, than to do the same sort of investigative journalism that brought down Nixon, the president who, in demeanor and behavior, is closest to Hillary Clinton?

One could imagine those two dynamics coming together.

Not that they will, mind you, but they could.

It may all be moot, however, if and when Hillary Clinton's health issues become too obvious to ignore.

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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2016, 03:01:39 pm »
That depends, though.  The investigations have, or don't have, an effect depending on the sort of coverage the media gives them.  As cynical or craven or partisan or pandering as they may be, the media always have reasons for reporting as they do.

The thing about Hillary Clinton is, she's an awful human being: utterly dishonest, relentlessly calculating and cynical, recognizably corrupt, and in all ways the worst possible vessel for whatever "progressive" hopes the media and liberal upper crust may cherish.

As a matter of power politics, the Democrats could well decide to dispense with Hillary Clinton.  The Obama wing hates her; and her very ghastliness stands to wreak havoc on their future chances.  There's a good argument to be made for getting rid of her sooner rather than later in favor of Kaine, whose anonymity is a virtue -- they can paint his portrait in the best possible way.

As a matter of business, the media desperately need some way to re-establish credibility with the general public.  How better, than to do the same sort of investigative journalism that brought down Nixon, the president who, in demeanor and behavior, is closest to Hillary Clinton?

One could imagine those two dynamics coming together.

Not that they will, mind you, but they could.

It may all be moot, however, if and when Hillary Clinton's health issues become too obvious to ignore.

Hillary's health issues will be exacerbated by the demands of the Presidency. There is little doubt she will be tested by Putin and Iran within days of her inauguration.
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2016, 03:09:37 pm »
Hillary's health issues will be exacerbated by the demands of the Presidency. There is little doubt she will be tested by Putin and Iran within days of her inauguration.

And in the Middle East generally.  And especially by China in the Pacific.  Not to mention some sort of nasty economic crisis at home.

Obama will be leaving her with a host of hidden presents.

Plus there will be the lingering effects of the e-mails themselves, which have evaporated any claim she might have to trustworthiness.  Any legislative advances will take an inordinate amount of effort.


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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2016, 03:16:15 pm »
And in the Middle East generally.  And especially by China in the Pacific.  Not to mention some sort of nasty economic crisis at home.

Obama will be leaving her with a host of hidden presents.

Plus there will be the lingering effects of the e-mails themselves, which have evaporated any claim she might have to trustworthiness.  Any legislative advances will take an inordinate amount of effort.

A Hillary victory will not improve her ratings on likability or trust. I'll bet the reason why Obama's numbers have improved are because Hillary and Trump are despised across the board. Obama's struggled to stay relevant, and I think he's failed in that regard.
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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2016, 03:28:16 pm »
A Hillary victory will not improve her ratings on likability or trust. I'll bet the reason why Obama's numbers have improved are because Hillary and Trump are despised across the board. Obama's struggled to stay relevant, and I think he's failed in that regard.

I think Obama's numbers have improved only to the extent that he's limited his public face to campaigning (at which he's very talented), as opposed to doing anything a president is supposed to do. 

Obama's ratings have always plummeted when he engages with substantive policy issues.

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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2016, 03:56:16 pm »
If Hillary is elected, there will be a blowout in 2018.


Yeah,  for the Democrats,  because honest elections will be a thing of the past.   I can't believe any of you think crooked Hillary,  already known to abuse government power whenever she has it,  is going to let things over which she has control,  go against her.   


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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2016, 03:59:59 pm »
I think Obama's numbers have improved only to the extent that he's limited his public face to campaigning (at which he's very talented),


Obama is NOT talented.  He's a f***ing imbecile that talks jive and gets away with it because the Media is in his back pocket.   If he had the media hostility that they give Republicans,  he would be toast.  We would not now know his name.  He would be a nobody,  probably flipping burgers somewhere. 



Obama is a creation of media.   He is of no merit on his own.  His entire history demonstrates that he is unable to accomplish any meaningful thing without powerful forces doing it for him.   


 





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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2016, 04:57:01 pm »

Obama is NOT talented.  He's a f***ing imbecile that talks jive and gets away with it because the Media is in his back pocket.   If he had the media hostility that they give Republicans,  he would be toast.  We would not now know his name.  He would be a nobody,  probably flipping burgers somewhere. 



Obama is a creation of media.   He is of no merit on his own.  His entire history demonstrates that he is unable to accomplish any meaningful thing without powerful forces doing it for him.

All true, except that he does have a real talent for campaigning.