'The Walking Dead' Premiere Didn't Go Down Well With Conservative Groups

[sneakypete]

Someone else has been gracious enough to explain it to you, and you have rejected it.

I have more important things to do than cast pearls before swine.  Besides which, I'm pretty sure you actually know the answer and are just trying to be a jerk.

Peace, @sneakypete .

I don't know anyone else who needs it more than you do.

And FYI, this thread is about a TV show, not your faithlessness and cynicism, so enough of the hijack, OK??

@musiclady

Wouldn't it have been easier to just admit you don't know what was wrong with the Old Testament instead of doing all that tapdancing and making all the personal attacks?

[Idaho_Cowboy]

@musiclady

Wouldn't it have been easier to just admit you don't know what was wrong with the Old Testament instead of doing all that tapdancing and making all the personal attacks?

Your the one that said anything was wrong with in the first place. 

[sneakypete]

You know more hypocrites than anyone I've ever met.  It's apparent that you haven't had contact with genuine Christians, nor more importantly, with the person of Jesus Christ.

LOL! Good one. Now go off and hide.

[sneakypete]

Steve Brown was right on when he called the Church porcupines huddled against the storm. At least Christians are the one group where you have to admit you are messed up to be a member. A lot of them forget, but that's another matter. Why is the world so shocked to find sinners in the Church?

@musiclady   @Idaho_Cowboy

EXCELLENT question!

Seems to me most of the most outspoken Christians I have met spend most of their time proclaiming how righteous and beloved of God they are.

Some churches and churchmembers are so righteous they won't even allow sinners to attend services. Or at least sinners not related to anyone in the church hierarchy.

[sneakypete]

I can generally handle the road tax and enforcement if it's done right. We do pretty good here in Iowa though I don't like the road formula much. It's way too oriented to the cities, and the IDOT-contractor relationship is a little too incestuous for me sometimes.

What I personally wish they'd do here is flatten the corporate tax, which is about 5% of state revenue, get rid of all credits, then give it to cities and counties for road repairs and construction. Let the gas tax fill in after that, and cut the budget to make up for the 5%.

It would give jurisdictions incentive to improve their business climate, which would in turn benefit with better roads, drawing more business, and so on.

You are probably right,but the most I know of Iowa was driving through it once in the 60's,and having a room mate in college from Iowa. Which doesn't give me much grounding to talk intelligently about local laws.

[sneakypete]

Communism?   "a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs."

perhaps your education is lacking?  Religion has nothing to do with communism.

@driftdiver

No doubt it is,and would be no matter how much I learn.

The same can be said for you,but you are clearly too ignorant to understand the basic tenets of Christianity are virtual clones of the stated goals of communism.

The fact that neither work as intended is another thing they share.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

@musiclady   @Idaho_Cowboy

EXCELLENT question!

Seems to me most of the most outspoken Christians I have met spend most of their time proclaiming how righteous and beloved of God they are.

Some churches and churchmembers are so righteous they won't even allow sinners to attend services. Or at least sinners not related to anyone in the church hierarchy.

If you really have encountered, and they are out there, the kind of "Christians?" that think they don't sin anymore you have my pity. But they are a pretty small minority. Jesus encountered folks like that and he had no kind words for them. 

The rest will tell you what John wrote "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." I John 1:8-10

Paul confessed it on an even more personal level in Romans 7 "For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do."

Just cause they don't believe they have sinners in their church doesn't change what the book says, in fact it just proves it.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

@driftdiver

No doubt it is,and would be no matter how much I learn.

The same can be said for you,but you are clearly too ignorant to understand the basic tenets of Christianity are virtual clones of the stated goals of communism.

The fact that neither work as intended is another thing they share.

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Strangely enough, I can't find that in Marx...

[musiclady]

@musiclady

Wouldn't it have been easier to just admit you don't know what was wrong with the Old Testament instead of doing all that tapdancing and making all the personal attacks?

You're nothing if not amusing, pete.

Why would I answer a question (that I could give an accurate explanation of) to a person who doesn't give a rip about the answer.

Casting pearls....... don't do it.

If you ever have a legitimate question and ask it as though you want to know the answer, I'll be glad to oblige.

Now, haven't you tired yet of hijacking a thread with your bigotry?

[musiclady]

LOL! Good one. Now go off and hide.

You're a sad man, pete.  If this is what you do to feel important and clever, you are just pathetic.

I think most rational people on this forum feel sorry for you.  You don't make us angry, regardless of how desperately and ignorantly you try.   You just make us feel pity for you.

You know the answers.  You know the truth.  You know how to find the Way.

Just do it.

[musiclady]

If you really have encountered, and they are out there, the kind of "Christians?" that think they don't sin anymore you have my pity. But they are a pretty small minority. Jesus encountered folks like and he had no kind words for them. 

The rest will tell you what John wrote "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." I John 1:8-10

Paul confessed it on an even more personal level in Romans 8 "For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do."

Just cause they don't believe they have sinners in their church doesn't change what the book says, in fact it just proves it.

 

[Idaho_Cowboy]

You're a sad man, pete.  If this is what you do to feel important and clever, you are just pathetic.

I think most rational people on this forum feel sorry for you.  You don't make us angry, regardless of how desperately and ignorantly you try.   You just make us feel pity for you.

You know the answers.  You know the truth.  You know how to find the Way.

Just do it.

Preach it.

I joke with my wife that half the sermons in church could be replaced with the Pastor walking up setting a Nike on the pedestal and walking off. The hearing is sure easier than the doing.

[musiclady]

Preach it.

I joke with my wife that half the sermons in church could be replaced with the Pastor walking up setting a Nike on the pedestal and walking off. The hearing is sure easier than the doing.

That's for sure!  Especially when you're anonymous on an internet forum.  ^-^

Thanks so much for reflecting the love of Christ and speaking the truth here.

[bigheadfred]

The Only Begotten Son of God isn't a person.

Organized religion is a lie.

People should be able to choose to watch whatever they want. Always.

Graphic violence is worse than hardcore porn.

Watching either one is embracing corruption.

We have a bumper crop of leaves this year and I ain't getting no subsidies to harvest them. Feel free to come help rake leaves as a community effort.

seeyaluvyabye

[sneakypete]

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Strangely enough, I can't find that in Marx...

@Idaho_Cowboy

You can't understand the State as God? Seriously?

[sneakypete]

You're nothing if not amusing, pete.

Why would I answer a question (that I could give an accurate explanation of) to a person who doesn't give a rip about the answer.

@musiclady

I believe you.

Honest!

Why,I'd almost be willing to bet you are going through a huge inner struggle to explain how the New and Improved Word of God came to be about,but don't want to give up your secrets to a pagan.

[Smokin Joe]

No. Basically if it is a car or truck that has red gas or diesel in it, you better not be caught on the road with it. They do check frequently and they have nabbed farmers who cheat. No special tags or anything though.

Since most tractors are road worthy, they could techincally tax them, the ones that are driven to the fields for plant and harvest. They don't though. Boats of course should obviously not pay the road tax, though they might pay some sort of conservation tax here, I don't know.

Off road use exemptions here (for dyed fuel) include everything from farm and construction equipment to oil rigs and generators. If, however you are caught driving with dyed fuel in the tanks on the highway, penalties are severe and fines are huge. The exemption includes Federal Road use taxes as well, so it can amount to 30 cents per gallon or more depending on what state you are in. Considering oil drilling rigs get their diesel by the truckload, it adds up quick.

Other non-highway uses for diesel include as a base fluid for drilling mud, and the average rig will have well over 1000 barrels of that in the mud tanks and downhole (each stock tank barrel is 42 gallons).

[Smokin Joe]

@musiclady

I believe you.

Honest!

Why,I'd almost be willing to bet you are going through a huge inner struggle to explain how the New and Improved Word of God came to be about,but don't want to give up your secrets to a pagan.

No struggle, none at all. God laid out a deal for the Jewish people. It wasn't working so well, as the rules were pretty tough. That deal and some history were laid out in the OT, along with some prophesy. God gave those who would opt in a new deal, and that was laid out in the New Testament.

Just because the Constitution has been amended doesn't make it wrong.

If a legislature repeals a law does that make both enactments wrong?

[sneakypete]

No struggle, none at all. God laid out a deal for the Jewish people. It wasn't working so well, as the rules were pretty tough. That deal and some history were laid out in the OT, along with some prophesy. God gave those who would opt in a new deal, and that was laid out in the New Testament.

Just because the Constitution has been amended doesn't make it wrong.

If a legislature repeals a law does that make both enactments wrong?

@Smokin Joe

Are  you saying God had different rules for Jews?

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

Are  you saying God had different rules for Jews?

Well, they aren't supposed to eat bacon.  So, in a word, yes, there were more of them.

If Jews wished to opt in and go by the new covenant they had that option. It was just that, a new covenant. Prior to that, God had rules for Jews, and others who wanted to follow them.
The decalogue remained the same. Dietary and other rules the Jewish people lived under were not imposed on Christians unless they wanted to follow them.

[bigheadfred]

@sneakypete  @musiclady  @XenaLee  @Smokin Joe

Mankind's  barbarity is pretty well established. The use of that barbarity for entertainment goes back. The Roman Circus was a popular venue or it wouldn't have existed. The key, and 'civilization' rests on overcoming that popularism.

For me, viewing graphic violence isn't some form of entertainment. And I can liken it to voting for Trump. It is an embrasure to barbarity.

I believe in an afterlife. It isn't much of a stretch for me to think, that since "I" exist in  four-dimensional time/space, that I can continue that existence in an even more multidimensional energy state.

That being said I have to look at the really big picture. My parents were never big fans of graphic violence. And my dad would never vote for Trump. So my dad is sitting up there watching this election and I know what he is thinking. Eternity is a long time people. No way in hell am I voting for Trump. My dad would never let me live it down. I don't want to have to endure "Dammit, Boy" for the rest of eternity.

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver

No doubt it is,and would be no matter how much I learn.

The same can be said for you,but you are clearly too ignorant to understand the basic tenets of Christianity are virtual clones of the stated goals of communism.

The fact that neither work as intended is another thing they share.

@sneakypete

Oh I'm ignorant of many things.   Things like how this country put itself in a position to have two such crappy candidates for President.

Also, how people can bear so much unreasoning hatred for the Lord and his flock.   Then there's the fanciful comparison of Christianity to communism.   Has religion been used for evil?  Sure it has.   Its also been the cause of much of the good that has occurred.  Its people that do wrong and not God.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

@sneakypete

Oh I'm ignorant of many things.   Things like how this country put itself in a position to have two such crappy candidates for President.

Also, how people can bear so much unreasoning hatred for the Lord and his flock.   Then there's the fanciful comparison of Christianity to communism.   Has religion been used for evil?  Sure it has.   Its also been the cause of much of the good that has occurred.  Its people that do wrong and not God.

For me it's not "unreasoning hatred for the Lord and his flock". It's annoyance at forcing your views onto everyone and insisting that politics and religion be wedded at all times.

[musiclady]

@sneakypete  @musiclady  @XenaLee  @Smokin Joe

Mankind's  barbarity is pretty well established. The use of that barbarity for entertainment goes back. The Roman Circus was a popular venue or it wouldn't have existed. The key, and 'civilization' rests on overcoming that popularism.

For me, viewing graphic violence isn't some form of entertainment. And I can liken it to voting for Trump. It is an embrasure to barbarity.

I believe in an afterlife. It isn't much of a stretch for me to think, that since "I" exist in  four-dimensional time/space, that I can continue that existence in an even more multidimensional energy state.

That being said I have to look at the really big picture. My parents were never big fans of graphic violence. And my dad would never vote for Trump. So my dad is sitting up there watching this election and I know what he is thinking. Eternity is a long time people. No way in hell am I voting for Trump. My dad would never let me live it down. I don't want to have to endure "Dammit, Boy" for the rest of eternity.

You are right to keep an eternal perspective on this election, @bigheadfred .  This goes far beyond politics, and for some of us, voting for an amoral man is a bridge we don't believe the Lord wants us to cross.

[musiclady]

@musiclady

I believe you.

Honest!

Why,I'd almost be willing to bet you are going through a huge inner struggle to explain how the New and Improved Word of God came to be about,but don't want to give up your secrets to a pagan.

No, I have made a rational decision not to respond theologically to a man whose only purpose is to mock God.

Others are trying, as I once did, but I've had enough of your atheist snark to realize that you're not a serious poster when it comes to things of faith.

I also wonder if you come up with your canned responses on your own, or if you have a puppet master in the atheist snark world who pulls your strings....  Either way, I know you're not seriously trying to discuss anything, and so it's a complete waste of time.   Only God can open your heart.  I'll let others give you Truth, and you can snark back at them with your unintelligent replies.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

@Idaho_Cowboy

You can't understand the State as God? Seriously?

I'm not arguing that Marxism doesn't have it's religious elements, rather that Christianity does not lead to Marxism. It seems man is  With relatively few exceptions the ideas have not correlated throughout history.

The Bible itself teaches that we give the state due honor, but that we are responsible to follow the higher authority (in the US that would be the Constitution btw) meaning ultimately if the state gives orders that are un-biblical the Christian is not bound to follow them.

The early church was told by the state they could not preach. Needless to say no state worship took place.
Acts 5:28  {The high priest, also a civil authority} "Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us. Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."

This is the basis for separation of Church and state. In fact many of the rights we hold dear are written in the scripture.

We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal.
Acts 10:34 "Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" Also Romans 2:11 and Ephesians 6:9.

 

[Idaho_Cowboy]

@musiclady

I believe you.

Honest!

Why,I'd almost be willing to bet you are going through a huge inner struggle to explain how the New and Improved Word of God came to be about,but don't want to give up your secrets to a pagan.

If you really want the full Sunday school explanation I'd be happy to post it. But I'm not sure why you think this is a gotcha.  Couple of points to consider.

First of all, perfect doesn't always mean complete. The Bible refers to the Church age as a mystery (ie. something not fully revelaed). 

Secondly, the old Testaments started with Creation and God coming to earth and breathing life into man. The new testament starts with God coming to earth to redeem man once and for all. The sacrifices, the feasts, the law, and the stories of the old testament all pointed to the cross; they are not inconsistent.

[XenaLee]

@sneakypete  @musiclady  @XenaLee  @Smokin Joe

Mankind's  barbarity is pretty well established. The use of that barbarity for entertainment goes back. The Roman Circus was a popular venue or it wouldn't have existed. The key, and 'civilization' rests on overcoming that popularism.

Yes.  However.....that's not the point or the topic of this thread.  We could write volumes on how violent and barbaric mankind has been and still is (See:  ISIS).

For me, viewing graphic violence isn't some form of entertainment. And I can liken it to voting for Trump. It is an embrasure to barbarity.

Same here.  But the show in question only has a few highly graphic instances of such violence, if you don't count the damage done to the walkers on a daily basis...lol.  Most of the fans, including myself, look past such violence because we like the cast, the writing and the apocalyptic survival theme....which is very pertinent in the current environment and times we're in.  Not that we'd see zombies roaming after a disaster like....say....a nuclear holocaust.  But there would be hoards of roving 'almost' dead people willing to do anything necessary in order to ""stay alive"".  Anyone that denies that isn't dealing in reality.  Hence, the show's appeal (IMO).

I believe in an afterlife. It isn't much of a stretch for me to think, that since "I" exist in  four-dimensional time/space, that I can continue that existence in an even more multidimensional energy state.

That's a topic for a whole nuther thread right there....but so do I.  Energy never dies....it just transfers to some other place.  And I believe that the human soul is another form of energy.  A small part of God, Himself, perhaps.  This world and reality is a testing ground.  When we die we return to God....to be weighed, measured and judged (wheat from the chaff).  But I digress...

That being said I have to look at the really big picture. My parents were never big fans of graphic violence. And my dad would never vote for Trump. So my dad is sitting up there watching this election and I know what he is thinking. Eternity is a long time people. No way in hell am I voting for Trump. My dad would never let me live it down. I don't want to have to endure "Dammit, Boy" for the rest of eternity.

My parents liked Leave It to Beaver and Father Knows Best.  The closest they got to watching violence was Gunsmoke...lol.  They were lifelong Christians and Republicans, as well.  As for them watching this election, the only thing we can do is adhere to our conscience (like Ted Cruz advised....if only he had followed his own excellent advice)....and refuse to support EITHER candidate of evil.  So that's my plan.  That way ....I just may be lucky enough to receive approval from my parents one last time before I die.  Hope springs.

[XenaLee]

@Idaho_Cowboy

You can't understand the State as God? Seriously?

Um....pardon me for interjecting here...but.....

since when has "the State"...ie big government (leftists) ever given people a choice....free or otherwise?  God gave man free will.  The State/leftist government never will.  The State seeks to dictate every tiny aspect of our lives, right down to the type of toilets we use and the type of bags we utilize.

Just sayin.....

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Um....pardon me for interjecting here...but.....

since when has "the State"...ie big government (leftists) ever given people a choice....free or otherwise?  God gave man free will.  The State/leftist government never will.  The State seeks to dictate every tiny aspect of our lives, right down to the type of toilets we use and the type of bags we utilize.

Just sayin.....

Good point.

[sneakypete]

Um....pardon me for interjecting here...but.....

since when has "the State"...ie big government (leftists) ever given people a choice....free or otherwise?  God gave man free will.  The State/leftist government never will.  The State seeks to dictate every tiny aspect of our lives, right down to the type of toilets we use and the type of bags we utilize.

Just sayin.....

@XenaLee

The USSR and their Nazi brothers gave people a choice.  You could either obey them or go to the Gulag/labor camps/firing squads.

Just like God gives people a choice. You can obey his rules or go to Hell and suffer torture for all of eternity.

Compared to God,Stalin and Hitler looks like great humanitarians. Nobody can top that "torture for all of eternity" thing.

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

The USSR and their Nazi brothers gave people a choice.  You could either obey them or go to the Gulag/labor camps/firing squads.

Just like God gives people a choice. You can obey his rules or go to Hell and suffer torture for all of eternity.

Compared to God,Stalin and Hitler looks like great humanitarians. Nobody can top that "torture for all of eternity" thing.

I'm afraid that you have it all twisted there.  Stalin and the other POS dictators of the world gave nobody a choice between 'being good or being evil'.  The only choice you had was to submit....same as with Satan.

With God.... you have the choice of doing good and of not being an evil schmuck.  If you choose to be an evil schmuck....quite frankly.....I agree with God.  You then deserve to burn in Hell for all eternity...lol.

So you better be good, dude.  It's getting close.  Closer than you probably think.
 

[bigheadfred]

@XenaLee

The USSR and their Nazi brothers gave people a choice.  You could either obey them or go to the Gulag/labor camps/firing squads.

Just like God gives people a choice. You can obey his rules or go to Hell and suffer torture for all of eternity.

Compared to God,Stalin and Hitler looks like great humanitarians. Nobody can top that "torture for all of eternity" thing.

heh heh heh  God becomes man so man can become God. There is no torture in hell for eternity. You just have to hang out on Saturn and be sneakypete for a while. But you are smart enough to do what I am doing: Living multiple lives simultaneously so "I" get it right the "first" time.

[sneakypete]

I'm afraid that you have it all twisted there.  Stalin and the other POS dictators of the world gave nobody a choice between 'being good or being evil'.  The only choice you had was to submit....same as with Satan.<<

 

@XenaLee

Absolutely 100 percent wrong. There are countless graves in Europe filled with people who made the choice to not go along with Stalin or Hitler's plans. We ALWAYS have a choice between "Yes",and "No".

And like I wrote before,at least with Stalin and Hitler the suffering was over quickly. With your God,it lasts forever. WADDA GUY!

[Smokin Joe]

For me it's not "unreasoning hatred for the Lord and his flock". It's annoyance at forcing your views onto everyone and insisting that politics and religion be wedded at all times.

What basis would you use to make law, then, as a basic guide for what is to be considered criminal?

Where do your Rights come from?

[bigheadfred]

What basis would you use to make law, then, as a basic guide for what is to be considered criminal?

Where do your Rights come from?

Aesop's Fables.

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

Absolutely 100 percent wrong. There are countless graves in Europe filled with people who made the choice to not go along with Stalin or Hitler's plans. We ALWAYS have a choice between "Yes",and "No".

And like I wrote before,at least with Stalin and Hitler the suffering was over quickly. With your God,it lasts forever. WADDA GUY!

You may not know it ....but He is your last and only hope in this world.  I'll take my chances with God's judgment, thank you very much.  Human judgment is irreparably flawed and too easily influenced by EO. 

[Smokin Joe]

Aesop's Fables.

You have a Right to Sour Grapes...

[bigheadfred]

You have a Right to Sour Grapes...

Which imbibed turn into The Grapes of Wrath.