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Offline Lando Lincoln

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Re: TRUMP SAYS HE WILL SIGN VERY FIRST BILL TO REPEAL OBAMACARE
« Reply #50 on: October 25, 2016, 07:30:15 pm »
And there you have it folks, the reason many of us think that Trump is doing something very dangerous to the Right and politics in general.

That is a perfect visual example of Trump's version of BLM. Same tactics, now in Orange.

Since I was first able to vote in 1972, I associated and identified myself with the right side of the political spectrum and the Republican Party (Nixon received my vote over McGovern).  I always disdained and rejected those who resorted to bullying and aggressive tactics to make their point.  Over the years, I largely came to know that that behavior came from the left side of that spectrum.  Democrats, unionistas, feminists, minority groups, gender confused, etc, etc.  To be sure, exceptions could be found but is has been, or was, generally so.  I felt I was somehow associating with group(s) who behaved with principles, logic and reason.  Patriot-first kind of people.  Family oriented.  Godly.  Industrious. 

For me, the line is blurred now.  Maybe it always has been.  But I don't want to prop up my side by tearing down the other.  I've always wanted my side to rise above the other.  Yes, hopeful and optimistic.  Besides, we all know the type of people who are heading up the Left - Obama, the Clintons, et al.  We've lived it, digested it, been appalled by it.  What can I say that is new in that regard?

And me?  Now?  I think, "where is the alternative?"  And THAT is new to me.  Grotesquely and unpleasantly new to me.  God help me, I don't see a viable alternative.  We have become what I always detested.  And, it is rationalized, defended, celebrated by far, far too many.  So, fine... I'll say:

Hillary is a really, really bad and corrupt person.  Evil. 

Now what?
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Re: TRUMP SAYS HE WILL SIGN VERY FIRST BILL TO REPEAL OBAMACARE
« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2016, 07:30:40 pm »

You are applauding that subject and verb disagreement?   


She asked why we were on this site.  The conversation had nothing directly to do with Trump.   She substituted "Trump"   as the  "Preacher"  to which I was referring,  instead of *we people* who are here doing the preaching.   Trump was never characterized as "the preacher."   


It was only a "zing" if you deliberately interpret the context incorrectly.   In fact,  it is evidence that someone trying to be flippant isn't really paying attention to the discussion.

I thought it was funny. Shoot me.

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Re: TRUMP SAYS HE WILL SIGN VERY FIRST BILL TO REPEAL OBAMACARE
« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2016, 07:32:48 pm »

Of that I have no doubt.   I think i've written half a dozen comments on the tactics Trump used to win the primary.  (None of which would have worked but for the media helping him do it.)   


Trump and his supporters attacked Cruz's wife.  They attacked Cruz's character, ("Lying Ted")   they accused him of being in bed with the Globalists and CFR,   they accused him of being part of the "establishment"  which already hated him,   and then Trump attacked his father as being a "Kennedy assassination co-conspirator."   


No,  Trump personally stirred up a great deal of hatred among Cruz supporters (such as myself)  and we are right to want an accounting for what Trump did.   


But there is no rational way to get there from here without tossing out the baby with the bathwater. 


I tried to get people to be reasonable on this subject and they just bit my head off and attacked me over it.   People I had otherwise considered rational turned into my enemies over night,  and put forth the most nonsensical arguments i've seen prior to coming here.   


The Trump supporters over at TOS were just as rabidly obsessive in condemning Ted Cruz as the Anti-Trump people are here in condemning Trump.   


It's like some sort of group psychosis.    Trump is an @$$.  We all get that,  (well, most of us get that)   but in terms of threat level to our lives?   He's a much lesser threat than the alternative.   


Yes,  Trump caused much of this trouble,   but this is exactly the consequences the Clinton campaign wanted when they helped boost his nomination in the primary.

I agree with all that.

But it has nothing to do with the article you referenced that I was responding to.

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Re: TRUMP SAYS HE WILL SIGN VERY FIRST BILL TO REPEAL OBAMACARE
« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2016, 07:45:52 pm »


Executive order it.    Order all Federal employees to cease processing any Obamacare activity.   What's congress going to do?  Grow a backbone for a change?   


Make em.

You really have no idea of what you are talking about.

The ACA (Affordable Healthcare Act) is a whole heck of a lot more than just the Health Care Exchanges (what most people think of as “Obamacare”).

As a PR and HRIS manager I, along with our benefits manager, our broker, our health insurance company and other vendors, was very heavily involved in implementing the changes needed for ACA implementation and compliance. I cannot tell you the amount of hours and the work and money involved in the implementation and in the initial and on-going compliance. And in some ways, a “de-implementation” of ACA could be just as painful and costly to employers and insurance companies. It is not as if one can wave a magic wand and say “never mind”. And that is assuming just turning back the clock - going back to a pre-ACA state.

When Trump talks about “Obamacare” (and what he and others should really be calling it is ACA) note he is talking about “Repeal and Replace” and the “Replace” part is what worries me.

A repeal or even a simplification of the onerous reporting requirements along with penalties placed on employers, stopping the IRS year end reporting and pentalies for those without coverage would be a good thing, but I don’t have much confidence that one set of onerous legislation won’t be replaced by something equally onerous.

Order all Federal employees to cease processing any Obamacare activity.

And just what is “Obamacare activity” to you? Do you even know? Do you realize as I already said, the ACA is a lot more than just the healthcare exchanges?

What is that going to do for the 13 or so states that run their own health insurance market places? Is Trump going to EO those states and state employees to also “cease processing any Obamacare activity”?

How does that effect the people who are in a federal or a state run exchange and have paid their premiums and how does that effect the people enrolled in exchanges who are eligible for and depending on subsidies? What happens to their claims and how will the providers get paid for services already provided?

How does this effect those between 19 and 26 who are currently covered under a parent’s plan? Are they on “day one” SOL?

What is that going to do to change the ACA requirements on private (employer or individual) insurance plans?

The ACA was a cluster f and a very bad idea. But the idea that a simple EO could make it magically go away is naïve at best and dangerous.

And it is also naïve to think that such an EO action would suddenly cause premiums to drop. If anything, adding more confusion and uncertainty to the insurance market place would likely cause additional increases.

And speaking of not knowing what “Obamacare” is and isn’t, even Trump doesn’t understand what his own company offers…

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/10/25/health-coverage-confusion-as-trump-attacks-horrible-obamacare/

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“I can say all of my employees are having a tremendous problem with Obamacare,” Mr. Trump said. “You folks, this is another group. Is that a correct statement? I mean you look at what they’re going through. What they’re going through with their health care is horrible because of Obamacare. So we’ll repeal it and replace it.”

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David Feder, Trump Doral’s general manager, said after Mr. Trump’s event that the resort provides health insurance coverage to nearly all of the resort’s 1,200 employees.

“There really isn’t a need for the vast majority of our employees to purchase Obamacare,” Mr. Feder said.

Mr. Feder said he was not certain what Mr. Trump meant when he said the Affordable Care Act was causing problems for Trump employees.

“I wouldn’t say he’s incorrect,” Mr. Feder said. “I would tell you that the only employees I know who may purchase Obamacare are typically part-timers. Again, they’re not full-time employees, so they wouldn’t be eligible for the benefits, and typically in corporate America that’s the way it is.”


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Later, during an interview on Fox News, Mr. Trump said his employees don’t use the Affordable Care Act at all.

“I don’t use much Obamacare, to be honest with you,” he said. “I’m at Trump National Doral and we don’t use Obamacare. We don’t want it.”

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Re: TRUMP SAYS HE WILL SIGN VERY FIRST BILL TO REPEAL OBAMACARE
« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2016, 07:55:28 pm »
I agree with all that.

But it has nothing to do with the article you referenced that I was responding to.


Uh,  you lost me.   I tracked the thread back and you responded to me for something I said to AlignCare.   I think we've got our threads crossed somehow. 
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Re: TRUMP SAYS HE WILL SIGN VERY FIRST BILL TO REPEAL OBAMACARE
« Reply #55 on: October 25, 2016, 07:58:02 pm »
Obamacare was intentionally a disaster so that when the Republican Party nominates an ASSCLOWN like Trump, Hillary wins and shoves Single Payer up our asses on Christmas Eve.

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Re: TRUMP SAYS HE WILL SIGN VERY FIRST BILL TO REPEAL OBAMACARE
« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2016, 08:00:41 pm »
You really have no idea of what you are talking about.



Neither did Obama,  but that didn't stop him from using his pen and his phone.   


Look,  you must have obviously leapt right over the flippant nature of my message to which you are responding.    The Nuts and Bolts of it do not really matter.   I'm pretty sure that a President which behaved as Barack Obama could figure out ways to torpedo the thing with executive orders,  most especially if he has a supine congress who will not fight him or challenge him on his issuance of extra-legal "executive orders."    Part of my point was to rebuke congress for allowing Obama to get away with it,  and the flippant part was the suggestion that Trump provoke a response from Congress by doing exactly what Obama did.   


Make them do their D@mn jobs and constraint Executive overreach.   *THAT*  was my main point. 


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Re: TRUMP SAYS HE WILL SIGN VERY FIRST BILL TO REPEAL OBAMACARE
« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2016, 08:01:37 pm »
Obamacare was intentionally a disaster so that when the Republican Party nominates an ASSCLOWN like Trump, Hillary wins and shoves Single Payer up our asses on Christmas Eve.

Trump wants single payer

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Re: TRUMP SAYS HE WILL SIGN VERY FIRST BILL TO REPEAL OBAMACARE
« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2016, 08:09:32 pm »

Uh,  you lost me.   I tracked the thread back and you responded to me for something I said to AlignCare.   I think we've got our threads crossed somehow.

You were talking about the plan to cull 'moralist kooks' from Trump coalition.

My point, which you later confirmed, was that Hillary needed no plan in order to alienate kook moralists from Trump. He did that fine all by himself.

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Re: TRUMP SAYS HE WILL SIGN VERY FIRST BILL TO REPEAL OBAMACARE
« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2016, 08:24:32 pm »
You were talking about the plan to cull 'moralist kooks' from Trump coalition.

My point, which you later confirmed, was that Hillary needed no plan in order to alienate kook moralists from Trump. He did that fine all by himself.


The kooks bear some responsibility.   Actually most.   


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Re: TRUMP SAYS HE WILL SIGN VERY FIRST BILL TO REPEAL OBAMACARE
« Reply #60 on: October 25, 2016, 08:27:29 pm »


Now what?


Try to survive,  and help your family survive,  until the baby boomer Socialist wave has departed.   

Then perhaps we can pick up the pieces of our shattered Republic and try to mend it.   

There is a chance that we cannot repair without some major upheaval which none of us want to have to go through.    I saw this the other day.


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