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[driftdiver]

Why not respond to the substance of what I posted @driftdiver ?

Why do you believe that not having an alternative to voting for either EVIL candidate other than voting for a candidate who is not evil is pro-actively "CHEERING" the burning of America?

Address the substance of that question with a logical response, please.

@musiclady

Why?  Because you are a liar.

[musiclady]

Wishful thinking isn't a strategy. 3rd party candidates haven't stood a chance since Ross Perot did what he did.  At most they can take votes away from one candidate but they cannot and will not get enough to win.  Why?  Because nobody has any confidence that they can.   

Perhaps if one of the 3rd party candidates had significant numbers in the polls it might be worth it, but they don't.   And IF Gary Johnson were to win he is nothing but a pothead socialists pretending to be a liberal.   He's more dangerous than Trump.

You are engaging in the most overt "wishful thinking strategy" possible.

You are wishing away Trump's across the board liberalism and hoping he'll do something contrary to what he believes in, and appoint conservative SJ nominees.

There has never been so fanciful a pipe dream in the history of politics.

[ABX]

Wishful thinking isn't a strategy. 3rd party candidates haven't stood a chance since Ross Perot did what he did.  At most they can take votes away from one candidate but they cannot and will not get enough to win.  Why?  Because nobody has any confidence that they can.   

Perhaps if one of the 3rd party candidates had significant numbers in the polls it might be worth it, but they don't.   And IF Gary Johnson were to win he is nothing but a pothead socialists pretending to be a liberal.   He's more dangerous than Trump.

It isn't wishful, it is just my personal choice. I know the odds are against my choice. But it is my choice. Somewhere, someone has to stand, even if they are alone, for what they believe is right.  I know this meme isn't popular due to the time period, but I have personal reasoning because one of my distant relatives was that guy (not that exact guy), who joined the resistance against the populist movement that he was told he must 'join or die'.. the odds were greater, but he stood for what he believed was right... He didn't have 'wishful thinking', he just did what he thought was right (and paid the ultimate price in Dachau).  Yes, that's an extreme example, but it is personal to me and part of my nature.



Imagine the world if more people didn't just go along to get along, but stood for what they belived was right.

[driftdiver]

We know what you do as well. Enable evil.

@Norm Lenhart

Yep,  I follow Jesus's example of working with imperfect people and not expecting them to be without sin.

[Norm Lenhart]

@Norm Lenhart

Yep,  I follow Jesus's example of working with imperfect people and not expecting them to be without sin.

Right. You might believe that. Very few others do.

[r9etb]

Why?  Because you are a liar.

What the heck?!?

You used to be a reasonable guy.  What happened to you?

[driftdiver]

It isn't wishful, it is just my personal choice. I know the odds are against my choice. But it is my choice. Somewhere, someone has to stand, even if they are alone, for what they believe is right.  I know this meme isn't popular due to the time period, but I have personal reasoning because one of my distant relatives was that guy (not that exact guy), who joined the resistance against the populist movement that he was told he must 'join or die'.. the odds were greater, but he stood for what he believed was right... He didn't have 'wishful thinking', he just did what he thought was right (and paid the ultimate price in Dachau).  Yes, that's an extreme example, but it is personal to me and part of my nature.



Imagine the world if more people didn't just go along to get along, but stood for what they belived was right.

@AbaraXas

What difference did that guy make?   I have respect for the Germans who tried to assassinate Hitler but this guy did nothing.   However, from what I've read those who tried to stop Hitler only did it because he was losing the war, not to stop the war.

[musiclady]

@musiclady

Why?  Because you are a liar.

And calling me a liar proves exactly what??  That you're a lousy debater with a phony diversion tactic with no basis in truth or reality?  Or what??

Everyone on this forum (including YOU) knows that I'm not a liar.  It's stupid to call me one, when it has no basis in fact. Does making that accusation make you feel good?  Tough? Like a winner?  Does it help your argument?

Or is it just a cop out because you don't have an answer for your preposterous, "either you do what I say or you're happy the country is burning" tripe?

[ABX]

@Norm Lenhart

Yep,  I follow Jesus's example of working with imperfect people and not expecting them to be without sin.

Good example, because the one time we can find Jesus getting angry wasn't against what he was told were his natural political opponents he would have been told it was his duty to oppose (the Romans) but against those in his own church (which was also the political leadership of the day) who had defiled what it meant. He threw the money changers out of his own house. He cleaned his own house first.

[driftdiver]

Right. You might believe that. Very few others do.

@Norm Lenhart
Many people do, its a minority that dont.

[driftdiver]

What the heck?!?

You used to be a reasonable guy.  What happened to you?

@r9etb @musiclady
I don't appreciate being called stupid because I disagree with someone.   And I don't appreciate being called a liar when I call them on it.

Our country is burning down and you folks are rearranging the chairs on the titanic.  I could give a rats behind what most of you think any more.

[driftdiver]

And calling me a liar proves exactly what??  That you're a lousy debater with a phony diversion tactic with no basis in truth or reality?  Or what??

Everyone on this forum (including YOU) knows that I'm not a liar.  It's stupid to call me one, when it has no basis in fact. Does making that accusation make you feel good?  Tough? Like a winner?  Does it help your argument?

Or is it just a cop out because you don't have an answer for your preposterous, "either you do what I say or you're happy the country is burning" tripe?

@musiclady

blah blah blah

You know what you did.   I once respected you but can now see I was incredibly wrong.

[mystery-ak]

Please stop the personal attacks...calling someone a liar is a personal attack.

[musiclady]

@r9etb @musiclady
I don't appreciate being called stupid because I disagree with someone.   And I don't appreciate being called a liar when I call them on it.

Our country is burning down and you folks are rearranging the chairs on the titanic.  I could give a rats behind what most of you think any more.

The only one here calling people stupid and a liar is you.

I'm not going to go back and explain again to others what I actually said, but I never said you were stupid.

You're making things up because you're mad that you don't have an argument solid enough to persuade conservatives to vote for a corrupt, vulgar liberal.

It's not making me look bad.  Just you.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

How do you save a drowning man when he keeps grabbing weights?

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Hey look he's either going to get eaten by mega-shark or the giant squid you just have to choose which is the lesser of two evils.

[Axel]

See the part I added in bold, that's where you added in the self-defeating opinion that the establishment pushes.

People don't vote for the alternative candidate because they are told they don't have a chance of winning.
Why don't they have a chance of winning?
Because people don't vote for them because they are told they don't have a chance of winning.


See how that works?

In reality, looking at our history of elections, they do have a chance of winning- albeit small, but it is there. All people need to do is reject the establishment rules of the game. 

Three times in our history, the vote was decided by the House. Three of our Presidents claimed no party affiliation (Washington, Tyler, Johnson). Three other Presidents came from what would be described as third parties (Lincoln, Harrison, Johnson). Out of 44 Presidential races, those are not bad odds.

The only thing that will change things is if people stand up, one by one, and make that decision themselves instead of going along with the flow because they have been convinced that is the only choice they have. Winners write their own rules, losers sit back and blindly accept ones shoved at them.

Johnson isn't getting any traction because his policies are a grab bag that appeals to no one. Combined with his general demeanor, which doesn't exude "Presidential" and its no wonder he can't poll any better even with the candidates we have. Third parties are also at a strategic disadvantage. There is no proportional representation in the legislature, which keeps minority parties from winning any seats. Even if a third party President were to win, he wouldn't have any help in Congress. It is wishful thinking.

[ABX]

@AbaraXas

What difference did that guy make?   I have respect for the Germans who tried to assassinate Hitler but this guy did nothing.   However, from what I've read those who tried to stop Hitler only did it because he was losing the war, not to stop the war.

Well, for my great-great-great uncle, the difference involved those who he forged papers for as well as possibly a military advantage for the allies as he passed along intelligence for Russia. And you should take some time to educate yourself on the Weimar resistance movements like the Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold and White Rose.  They didn't do so because Hitler was losing, some like the Reichsbanner opposed Nazism and other similar nationalist movements very early on, well before they took power, because they saw the danger to the Weimar Republic that those groups had.

[musiclady]

@musiclady

blah blah blah

You know what you did.   I once respected you but can now see I was incredibly wrong.

Wrong.

You never respected me.  If you did you wouldn't turn on a dime at something you just imagined I said, and still be furious weeks and weeks later.........furious enough to call me a liar, when you know I'm not.

That's not respect in any sense of the word.

[Norm Lenhart]

@r9etb @musiclady
I don't appreciate being called stupid because I disagree with someone.   And I don't appreciate being called a liar when I call them on it.

Our country is burning down and you folks are rearranging the chairs on the titanic.  I could give a rats behind what most of you think any more.

Thats OK. We don't care what a liberal enabler thinks either.

[driftdiver]

Good example, because the one time we can find Jesus getting angry wasn't against what he was told were his natural political opponents he would have been told it was his duty to oppose (the Romans) but against those in his own church (which was also the political leadership of the day) who had defiled what it meant. He threw the money changers out of his own house. He cleaned his own house first.

@AbaraXas

Who you gonna throw out?   We are commanded to submit to our government.   It doesn't say submit if the govt is clean, or moral.   We have a say in who is appointed over us based on the system our forefathers put in place.  We have failed for generations to hold our leaders accountable and the only way to start is to step up to the table.   Walking away from the table will only ensure we don't have a say in what happens.

[ABX]

@r9etb @musiclady
 you folks are rearranging the chairs on the titanic....

And we see it as Trump is steering us toward the iceberg on the right, Hillary steering us to the iceberg on the left, and some of us are going to stand on the bow and say Stop! even if we are a lone voice.

[ABX]

@AbaraXas

Who you gonna throw out?   We are commanded to submit to our government.   It doesn't say submit if the govt is clean, or moral.   We have a say in who is appointed over us based on the system our forefathers put in place.  We have failed for generations to hold our leaders accountable and the only way to start is to step up to the table.   Walking away from the table will only ensure we don't have a say in what happens.

Do you submit to Obama?

Americans do not bow before rulers.

Remember, our government isn't a ruling royal class. Our government's basis is the Constitution of the United States. Those in the government are representatives of the people, not rulers over the people to submit to.

We are not submitting to a king. We are a Constitutional Representative Republic where the individual's rights are sacrosanct.

[bolobaby]

@bolobaby

Cruz isn't on the ballot anymore in most places.   Regardless of what Texas does having Hillary and the muslim global train as a neighbor would be a bad idea.

@driftdiver

Write him in, if allowed.

Or, if your ballot has only Trump and Clinton, don't vote. Unless you feel that the ballot is forcing you to vote. Like this one...



If you SERIOUSLY think that supporting one of these two train wrecks truly is the answer, then you deserve an America like Hussein's Iraq.

[driftdiver]

Wrong.

You never respected me.  If you did you wouldn't turn on a dime at something you just imagined I said, and still be furious weeks and weeks later.........furious enough to call me a liar, when you know I'm not.

That's not respect in any sense of the word.

@musiclady

Not furious at anyone but just angry with myself for having bad judgement in the first place.   I called you a liar because you have lied about and to me.  You were given a chance to fix it and refused.  You went even further to continue the insults.

[r9etb]

I don't appreciate being called stupid because I disagree with someone.   And I don't appreciate being called a liar when I call them on it.

@driftdiver

Fair enough.  Nobody appreciates being falsely accused.  The true test of good manners, however, is how you respond.....

Our country is burning down and you folks are rearranging the chairs on the titanic.  I could give a rats behind what most of you think any more.

And speaking of false accusations -- are you calling people "stupid," and painting with an over-broad brush to boot?

Speaking for myself, I cannot vote for a candidate who is utterly unfit for office, whether the candidate is Hillary Clinton, or Donald Trump.  Putting either one of them in the Oval Office is tantamount to throwing gas on the fire, widening the hole in the ship of state, or whatever metaphors you care to mix.

Doing the right thing even if it makes no difference ... is still doing the right thing. 

And doing the wrong thing in the forlorn hope that Trump will be different as president than he is now... that's the same kind of blindness that abused women suffer as a result of believing that they can "change" their boyfriends from animals into men.