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The threat from Russia
« on: October 22, 2016, 02:38:09 am »
How to contain Vladimir Putin’s deadly, dysfunctional empire

Oct 22nd 2016 | From the print edition

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21709028-how-contain-vladimir-putins-deadly-dysfunctional-empire-threat-russia

FOUR years ago Mitt Romney, then a Republican candidate, said that Russia was America’s “number-one geopolitical foe”. Barack Obama, among others, mocked this hilarious gaffe: “The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back, because the cold war’s been over for 20 years,” scoffed the president. How times change. With Russia hacking the American election, presiding over mass slaughter in Syria, annexing Crimea and talking casually about using nuclear weapons, Mr Romney’s view has become conventional wisdom. Almost the only American to dissent from it is today’s Republican nominee, Donald Trump.

Every week Vladimir Putin, Russia’s president, finds new ways to scare the world. Recently he moved nuclear-capable missiles close to Poland and Lithuania. This week he sent an aircraft-carrier group down the North Sea and the English Channel. He has threatened to shoot down any American plane that attacks the forces of Syria’s despot, Bashar al-Assad. Russia’s UN envoy has said that relations with America are at their tensest in 40 years. Russian television news is full of ballistic missiles and bomb shelters. “Impudent behaviour” might have “nuclear consequences”, warns Dmitry Kiselev, Mr Putin’s propagandist-in-chief—who goes on to cite Mr Putin’s words that “If a fight is inevitable, you have to strike first.”

In fact, Russia is not about to go to war with America. Much of its language is no more than bluster. But it does pose a threat to stability and order. And the first step to answering that threat is to understand that Russian belligerence is not a sign of resurgence, but of a chronic, debilitating weakness.

Vlad the invader

As our special report this week sets out, Russia confronts grave problems in its economy, politics and society. Its population is ageing and is expected to shrink by 10% by 2050. An attempt to use the windfall from the commodity boom to modernise the state and its economy fell flat. Instead Mr Putin has presided over a huge increase in government: between 2005 and 2015, the share of Russian GDP that comes from public spending and state-controlled firms rose from 35% to 70%. Having grown by 7% a year at the start of Mr Putin’s reign, the economy is now shrinking. Sanctions are partly to blame, but corruption and a fall in the price of oil matter more. The Kremlin decides who gets rich and stays that way. Vladimir Yevtushenkov, a Russian tycoon, was detained for three months in 2014. When he emerged, he had surrendered his oil company.

Mr Putin has sought to offset vulnerability at home with aggression abroad. With their mass protests after election-rigging in 2011-12, Russia’s sophisticated urban middle classes showed that they yearn for a modern state. When the oil price was high, Mr Putin could resist them by buying support. Now he shores up his power by waging foreign wars and using his propaganda tools to whip up nationalism. He is wary of giving any ground to Western ideas because Russia’s political system, though adept at repression, is brittle. Institutions that would underpin a prosperous Russia, such as the rule of law, free media, democracy and open competition, pose an existential threat to Mr Putin’s rotten state.

For much of his time in office Mr Obama has assumed that, because Russia is a declining power, he need not pay it much heed. Yet a weak, insecure, unpredictable country with nuclear weapons is dangerous—more so, in some ways, even than the Soviet Union was. Unlike Soviet leaders after Stalin, Mr Putin rules alone, unchecked by a Politburo or by having witnessed the second world war’s devastation. He could remain in charge for years to come. Age is unlikely to mellow him.

Mr Obama increasingly says the right things about Putinism—he sounded reasonably tough during a press conference this week—but Mr Putin has learned that he can defy America and come out on top. Mild Western sanctions make ordinary Russians worse off, but they also give the people an enemy to unite against, and Mr Putin something to blame for the economic damage caused by his own policies.

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Re: The threat from Russia
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2016, 02:38:36 am »
This, of course, is what Trump loves and wants to emulate.

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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2016, 03:11:39 am »
  Found Trump's Foreign Policy position paper on Trumpbart.

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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2016, 03:12:10 am »
Just read an article earlier tonight talking about how Finland is worried they are next on the Putin invasion list. Seems Vladimir is saying he seems their secession in 1917 is illegal.
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2016, 03:21:55 am »
  Vladimir knows how weak the US Leadership is right now, takin the Crimea (2014) and descending on the Ukraine, if I was Finland, with their history with the Bear, I'd be worried too. 
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2016, 03:47:55 am »
   Didn't US/NATO meddling in the Ukraine Election open this can of worms in 2014, not to mention obummer cancelling the Missile Shield in previous Warsaw pact Countries, It's just been a fluster cuck since Clinton/Kerry were put in charge.

   Good article, by the way.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2016, 12:23:15 pm »
What's Clinton doing selling uranium to them, I am glad her connections to Russia are being exposed.

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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2016, 04:11:17 pm »
   Didn't US/NATO meddling in the Ukraine Election open this can of worms in 2014, not to mention obummer cancelling the Missile Shield in previous Warsaw pact Countries, It's just been a fluster  since Clinton/Kerry were put in charge.

   Good article, by the way.

No US/NATO didn't meddle in the elections.  That was Russia.  Putin was pissed that his Moscow friendly candidate for President was ousted.  THAT is when he invaded.  Before that a pro West anti Putin candidate was poisoned with an Isotope involved in nuclear weapons IIRC.

The missile shield deal was with Poland and yes Obama did indeed cancel that.  Even though the deal was already in place to build it by W...Obama pulled it back.

I went on a road march with 2nd Cavalry Regiment a couple years ago.  We went from Talinn, Estonia back to Vilseck Germany. 1836 kilometers through the Baltics, Poland and the Czech Republic.  Every place we stopped along the way was very pro U.S./NATO and anti Putin.


They are terrified o being subjected yet again to the Iron Fist of Moscow...they see Putin as the next Stalin...just with better manners in public.

And that is what pisses of Vlad the most....it's his motivation to try and re-establish Russian influence in the former SSR's.
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Re: The threat from Russia
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2016, 04:11:50 pm »
What's Clinton doing selling uranium to them, I am glad her connections to Russia are being exposed.

Have you been asleep?  That was exposed almost two years ago.
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