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[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Since you know better, file a lawsuit about it.

You'll win and the judge will order the state you filed in to fix it.

Question is... why haven't you?  I'm willing to bet that the state GOP would fund your effort.

That article doesn't trouble you at all? Tell the truth.

[bigheadfred]

@bigheadfred

Me,too.

It seemed like hillary talked in circles all debate.

[txradioguy]

That article doesn't trouble you at all? Tell the truth.

Does the fact that both political parties encourage illegal immigration not trouble?

What about the fact that all of Trumps talk about a wall has turned out to be just that...talk.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

"Winning' debate IMO is inconsequential. People, for the most part, come into it with their pre-conceived notions and everything that follows is just confirmation bias.


It's like here: the never trumpers always think Trump is losing horrible and the Trumpists always think Hillary is getting curb stomped by Trump. And most people are the same way.

[sinkspur]

Trump didn't go to the spin room and Kellyanne ran away from Dana Bash asking about Trump's refusal to agree with her about accepting the outcome of the election.

How many GOP House members and Senators will stick with him, given that he's bleeding support daily?  I look for a few to dump him.

[Hoodat]

The WaPo admits that illegals already decide our election. But just keep believing that a lack of lawsuits keeps us safe and sound.

They do so because Republican governors and Republican state legislatures don't do jack to stop it.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Does the fact that both political parties encourage illegal immigration not trouble?

What about the fact that all of Trumps talk about a wall has turned out to be just that...talk.

Is this directed to me?

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

They do so because Republican governors and Republican state legislatures don't do jack to stop it.

Trump is at least bringing it up.

[txradioguy]

Is this directed to me?

Well considering I quoted your post in my reply...

[HonestJohn]

That article doesn't trouble you at all? Tell the truth.

Moving the goalposts, now?

File your lawsuit.  You are *SO* sure about this... that you *SHOULD*, just to settle the issue.  The GOP will fund this, Trump will fund this, you'd be able to raise a lot on "GoFundMe"... so money's not an issue.

I'm sick of people making claims... and doing nothing about them. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Well considering I quoted your post in my reply...

Well yes both parties helping illegals is a big deal to me. it's one of my biggest issues.


As for Trump and the wall...    I'm skepitcal it could be done but he should be given a shot at it before declaring it a total defeat.

[txradioguy]

Moving the goalposts, now?

File your lawsuit.  You are *SO* sure about this... that you *SHOULD*, just to settle the issue.  The GOP will fund this, Trump will fund this, you'd be able to raise a lot on "GoFundMe"... so money's not an issue.

I'm sick of people making claims... and doing nothing about them.

And meanwhile as it slogs through the courts for the next decade nothing real or substantial gets done.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Moving the goalposts, now?

File your lawsuit.  You are *SO* sure about this... that you *SHOULD*, just to settle the issue.  The GOP will fund this, Trump will fund this, you'd be able to raise a lot on "GoFundMe"... so money's not an issue.

I'm sick of people making claims... and doing nothing about them.

The GOP has done something about it, tried to enact voter ID, and it was struck down by judges nearly every time.


Don't you realize that? Why do you think they want voter ID off the books?

[HonestJohn]

Trump didn't go to the spin room and Kellyanne ran away from Dana Bash asking about Trump's refusal to agree with her about accepting the outcome of the election.

How many GOP House members and Senators will stick with him, given that he's bleeding support daily?  I look for a few to dump him.

I noticed that about Kellyanne.  She looked very nervous and fled as soon as she could.

[Chosen Daughter]

Trump lost it, big-time, with the refusal to accept the results of the election.

All the rest will fade, but this won't.

I don't know. I think that lots of Trump supporters wanted to hear that.  Because Trump has egged them on to believe the election will be stolen.  He was sending signals for all out protest if not violence.  You can believe it will happen.

[txradioguy]

Well yes both parties helping illegals is a big deal to me. it's one of my biggest issues.


As for Trump and the wall...    I'm skepitcal it could be done but he should be given a shot at it before declaring it a total defeat.

Trump has already reneged on the wall and his own actions in regards to bringing in cheap foreign labor show the falsehood of his alleged tough stance on illegals.

At the end of the day nothing will change in regards to stemming the tide of illegals with either candidate in office.

[HonestJohn]

And meanwhile as it slogs through the courts for the next decade nothing real or substantial gets done.

Just like building an oil rig, if you never start, you'll never see completed.

This is the exact same argument liberals made over drilling for oil.  That it'd take a decade to do... so why bother.

[Hoodat]

Trump is at least bringing it up.

And after Trump expedites the return of all deported illegals, essentially giving them legal status, they will be able to vote legally.

[HonestJohn]

The GOP has done something about it, tried to enact voter ID, and it was struck down by judges nearly every time.


Don't you realize that? Why do you think they want voter ID off the books?

Maybe because there isn't any evidence and that those laws struck down specifically targeted certain groups, instead of affecting everyone equally?

[montanajoe]

"Winning' debate IMO is inconsequential. People, for the most part, come into it with their pre-conceived notions and everything that follows is just confirmation bias.


It's like here: the never trumpers always think Trump is losing horrible and the Trumpists always think Hillary is getting curb stomped by Trump. And most people are the same way.

Yep...I wonder how many folks who have not decided how they will vote actually tune in, I suspect it is a very small number. Seems to me the only thing the debates accomplish is to give the folks on political forums another piece of minutia to argue about...

[HonestJohn]

I don't know. I think that lots of Trump supporters wanted to hear that.  Because Trump has egged them on to believe the election will be stolen.  He was sending signals for all out protest if not violence.  You can believe it will happen.

Trump already has his supporters.  The point was to get those that are not already his supporters.  What he did will drive them away.

[txradioguy]

Just like building an oil rig, if you never start, you'll never see completed.

This is the exact same argument liberals made over drilling for oil.  That it'd take a decade to do... so why bother.

My point was the lawsuit won't accomplish the goal we both want to see.

It's going go have to come from a combination of the states reclaiming their rights under the 9th and 10th Amendments and some House and Senate members with the guts to push some real reform through and get it passed.

[Hoodat]

The GOP has done something about it, tried to enact voter ID, and it was struck down by judges nearly every time.

Not here in Georgia.  When photo-id law was first passed, a judge struck it down because there was a charge for getting an ID.  So the State now gives out free photo IDs, and there's nothing a judge can do now to stop it.  When a person votes, they must show photo id to get a ballot.

[TomSea]

Doctor Carson on Fox Business,

We can send a man to the moon, why don't we secure the voting system.

[bigheadfred]

I thought his pro-life stance was good. It might help with people who object to his objectifying women.