WSJ: The Cheap Moralizing of Never Trump

[jpsb]

You seem rather proud of destroying conservatism.

IMHO anyone that pays attention to politics/government/corruption and is not doing all they to stop Hillary from being elected POTUS is not a conservative nor are they a patriot.

[geronl]

Jeff Bezos’ Washington Post: Import Foreign Workers to Replace Spoiled Americans
http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2016/08/26/washington-post-jeff-bezos-scab-workers-replace-americans/

Trump does the same thing.

[libertybele]

   Again @jpsb


   This is a ballet:



   This is a Ballot:

This time around I'd much rather see a ballet than cast my vote at the ballot box.  I am not looking forward to election day, not in the least.

[Norm Lenhart]

IMHO anyone that pays attention to politics/government/corruption and is not doing all they to stop Hillary from being elected POTUS is not a conservative nor are they a patriot.

Thats OK. Because your opinion has no value to anyone but you.

[libertybele]

IMHO anyone that pays attention to politics/government/corruption and is not doing all they to stop Hillary from being elected POTUS is not a conservative nor are they a patriot.

Between Trump and Hillary conservatives don't have a candidate to vote for this election.  I feel it is my patriotic duty to elect a person who will not continue this country on its current path of destruction.  Neither one of them fit into that category.  If one votes for a third party candidate there is a chance that it would deny Hillary the majority. Voting for Hillary we know the country is gone.  Voting for Trump is a crap shoot.  Voting for a 3rd party candidate is voting one's conscience and could put us on a path to restoration. In your world, do you still consider any vote other than a vote for Trump not conservative and unpatriotic?  If so, why?

[Suppressed]

@Suppressed
Then he said, "they let you do it", which tells me they were intimidated by his status and therefore let him get away with it.

It tells you that, but it doesn't say that objectively.

Was the sailor who kissed the nurse on V-E Day a sexual assaulter?
He was moreso than someone who goes up to kiss someone and they let him.

The fact that he said "they let you do it" means that there was some point at which they could have not let him do it.  Was he leaning in and seeing whether they'd let him or not?

We don't know whether he would have forced himself on them.  Perhaps you say he would have; I say we don't know.

Did the women feel intimidated and unable to say no?  Perhaps, but again, we don't know from his words.

My point is that the statement is ambiguous, at worst.  Nothing from his words says that he is admitting sexual assault.

[Suppressed]

This time around I'd much rather see a ballet than cast my vote at the ballot box.  I am not looking forward to election day, not in the least.

I look forward to Election Day.  It's the returns I dread.

[Norm Lenhart]

It tells you that, but it doesn't say that objectively.

Was the sailor who kissed the nurse on V-E Day a sexual assaulter?
He was moreso than someone who goes up to kiss someone and they let him.

The fact that he said "they let you do it" means that there was some point at which they could have not let him do it.  Was he leaning in and seeing whether they'd let him or not?

We don't know whether he would have forced himself on them.  Perhaps you say he would have; I say we don't know.

Did the women feel intimidated and unable to say no?  Perhaps, but again, we don't know from his words.

My point is that the statement is ambiguous, at worst.  Nothing from his words says that he is admitting sexual assault.

Rudy disagrees. As a fed prosecutor I think he'd be qualified to assess if it was.

I get your point about the VE kiss. I'm as anti SJW/feminist as it gets and believe people have taken things too far. The VE Kiss was not a planned "Move on her like a bitch". It was a one off spontaneous type thing with no malice of forethought. But Trump has established a pattern and his words have legal ramifications should anyone file charges.

[Emjay]

Sounds exactly like a leftist argument.

Yes, it does but you forgot elitist.  It sounds like an elitist leftist argument.

Expecting basic human decency in a candidate should be the bedrock of democracy.

And yet, we've ended up with two candidates who do not meet that standard.  The dems had no choice.  We did.

[geronl]

IMHO anyone that pays attention to politics/government/corruption and is not doing all they to stop Hillary from being elected POTUS is not a conservative nor are they a patriot.

Then those who voted for Trump in the primaries are traitors.

[Emjay]

Yes ... and so ... choices are; vote for the slim and nil chance, don't vote at all or vote for Trump.  Yes, the chance to nominate a conservative passed, and unless we maintain the majority in the Senate and the House; the chances of the GOP winning another election be it in the Senate or the House, will be slim to nil.  If Hillary gets in, we won't have to worry about the 2018 election; it will be over before they've even started.

I must disagree.  If Hillary is elected we will have 4 years of a bad president ... if she lasts four years.  She is not the ideologue about muslims that Obama is so we've got that.  A lot of no-trump votes are voting down ticket so we may not lose the house and Senate ... we usually win that.  Hillary does not have the Black support that automatically went to Obama.  She will not be elected again.  She wouldn't have been elected this time if certain events hadn't conspired to somehow make the unthinkable happen.

But we cannot put Trump in as a Republican/conservative candidate.  He is a horrible dirty joke and not fit to represent the party.  If he is roundly defeated, as he will be, the party can regroup and try to redeem itself.  We do have some good leaders and they will need to rise up and have courage.  Ted Cruz is one.  Mike Lee another.

[Emjay]

Rudy disagrees. As a fed prosecutor I think he'd be qualified to assess if it was.

I get your point about the VE kiss. I'm as anti SJW/feminist as it gets and believe people have taken things too far. The VE Kiss was not a planned "Move on her like a bitch". It was a one off spontaneous type thing with no malice of forethought. But Trump has established a pattern and his words have legal ramifications should anyone file charges.

Good Lord!  I cannot believe anyone brought up the VE kissing in the context of Trump's perversions.  I was kissed on VE day.  Everyone was so happy.  The streets were filled with joy and celebration.  The sailors were carrying bottles and no one cared.  The kisses were just little smacks and fun.  Nothing sexual about them at all.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I was kissed on VE day.

 :dropjaw:
If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?

[musiclady]

Was the sailor who kissed the nurse on V-E Day a sexual assaulter?

He would have been if he had grabbed her crotch after he kissed her.

But he didn't, did he?

I find it rather insulting, @Suppressed that you're trying to equate the joy and innocence of a VE day kiss and an iconic photo (that wouldn't have been quite so iconic if it had been followed by sexual molestation), with the degrading, power-grabbing molestation of Donald Trump.

He bragged that he could do it because he was rich and could get away with it.

There is no defense for Donald Trump's degradation and debasement of women.

He is a predator, and excusing it is why so many vile men just like him get away with sexual assault.

[GrouchoTex]

I may resemble that remark?  Well, other than the "twice elected Obama" part, of course.

I have never before been an undecided voter in my life, and can't be called an uninformed voter by any stretch of the imagination.  But this year is different.  This year, as of this moment in time, I am still undecided.  Personally, I believe that's more of an indictment against a broken process than it is against me ... but I admit that opinion could be self-serving.   

This year's undecideds -- at least those who are anything like me -- shouldn't be dismissed as a "tiny cadre of fools".  We understand Hillary is a bad option, but we believe Trump is a bad option as well and that leaves us in a conundrum.  Will I play the cock-eyed optimist and vote for Trump in the hopes that he helps progress conservative ideals?  Will I vote for a third-party candidate that more closely aligns with my beliefs, even though I fully understand his chances of winning are non-existent?  Will I abstain from the presidential race and just vote down ticket?  I am undecided -- not because I don't understand the choices and consequences, but because there is no option that I can honestly say I am at peace with quite yet.

Many people have come to the conclusion that Trump has earned their vote simply by not being Hillary.  I respect that.

Other people have come to the conclusion that they cannot in good conscience vote for Trump because they don't trust him to govern according to their values.  I respect that, too.

That doesn't mean I am a fool.  It means that I take this very seriously, and continue to weigh my options and soul-seek about what I can and cannot do come election day.

I feel the exact same way.

[Emjay]

 :dropjaw:
If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?

oooops... never mind

[Emjay]

oooops... never mind

I just couldn't stand to see the sweetness and joy of that day sullied by comparing it to the things Trump said and did.

I don't know who originally made the comparison but he should be ashamed.

[INVAR]

And you will make certain to keep telling us so.   



The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.



Piety overload.

Another example of a Trump supporter who cannot discern the difference between humility before God and politics.

To put 'We're not voting for Trump' because he violates our conscience and principles with 'Thank God I am not like the Gentiles" is beyond stupid to equate.

It is oft the tool of Liberals to equate faith and principles with a Pharisaical mindset that is considered to be the worser sin.

[ArneFufkin]

I really cannot believe the stupidity that has gripped this site.

Ignore Donald Trump for a moment.  I know that's a hard thing for some of you sociopaths.

Hillary Clinton - day by day, revelation after revelation - has demonstrated that she is the most dangerous, corrupt and treacherous political figure in the history of our wonderful American Republic.

This "First Woman" -after this "First Black guy" is going to throw our beautiful American experiment ... salvaged by the lives of over 1.5 million soldiers in our Civil War and others ... 

You folks don't like Trump?  You think he's a boor, a buffoon, a huckster?    Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt political figure in America's history.   The Podesta emails and this stuff by Project Veritas should inform EVERY patriotic and informed person about what to do November 8.

Some of you have spent every moment of every single day the last six months ridiculing and demeaning Trump.  I did too, back "then".  Now, we are seeing the treacherous corruption of Hillary Clinton, Accomplice Meia and this Soros-led Leftist conspiracy.

Hey, jackasses:  IT IS NOW TRUMP VS. HILLARY.

Make your mark   Tell us who you are voting for or against. 
I expect an onslaught of "oh so principled conservative" bullshit.  You better be ready to make an argument why any Trump presidency is WORSE than the Hillary reign of Socialist Terror.

I'm fit to fight, punks.  Let's GO!

This is a conservative website?  Bullshat.  This is like DU or DailyKos.

[musiclady]

Another example of a Trump supporter who cannot discern the difference between humility before God and politics.

To put 'We're not voting for Trump' because he violates our conscience and principles with 'Thank God I am not like the Gentiles" is beyond stupid to equate.

It is oft the tool of Liberals to equate faith and principles with a Pharisaical mindset that is considered to be the worser sin.

It seems to be a pattern among the Trump faithful to compare those who don't worship their god with the Pharisees.  One worshiper here compared Trump directly with Jesus, and those of us who find fault with him directly with the Pharisees.

They are on dangerous spiritual ground here in their defense of debauchery with the use of Scripture.

God is not mocked.

And no matter how much they adore Trump, they are crossing a line here.....

[geronl]

There is no good reason for a conservative to vote FOR Trump. Hillary's friend and donor, about as liberal and corrupt as she is.

There is no case for that.

[musiclady]

I really cannot believe the stupidity that has gripped this site.

Ignore Donald Trump for a moment.  I know that's a hard thing for some of you sociopaths.

Hillary Clinton - day by day, revelation after revelation - has demonstrated that she is the most dangerous, corrupt and treacherous political figure in the history of our wonderful American Republic.

This "First Woman" -after this "First Black guy" is going to throw our beautiful American experiment ... salvaged by the lives of over 1.5 million soldiers in our Civil War and others ... 

You folks don't like Trump?  You think he's a boor, a buffoon, a huckster?    Hillary Clinton is the most corrupt political figure in America's history.   The Podesta emails and this stuff by Project Veritas should inform EVERY patriotic and informed person about what to do November 8.

Some of you have spent every moment of every single day the last six months ridiculing and demeaning Trump.  I did too, back "then".  Now, we are seeing the treacherous corruption of Hillary Clinton, Accomplice Meia and this Soros-led Leftist conspiracy.

Hey, jackasses:  IT IS NOW TRUMP VS. HILLARY.

Make your mark   Tell us who you are voting for or against.  Or .... SHOVE IT AND STFU.

I expect an onslaught of "oh so principled conservative" bullshit.  You better be ready to make an argument why any Trump presidency is WORSE than the Hillary reign of Socialist Terror.

I'm fit to fight, punks.  Let's GO!

This is a conservative website?  Bullshat.  This is like DU or DailyKos.

et tu Arne??

Your loyalty to Trump has turned one of the nicest people around into a name-calling, arrogant, forum bashing nasty?

Wow.  What a disappointment.  I thought you had standards......

[ArneFufkin]

et tu Arne??

Your loyalty to Trump has turned one of the nicest people around into a name-calling, arrogant, forum bashing nasty?

Wow.  What a disappointment.  I thought you had standards......

You support Hillary Clinton.  Just admit it.

Then, we can talk about standards.

[geronl]

et tu Arne??

Your loyalty to Trump has turned one of the nicest people around into a name-calling, arrogant, forum bashing nasty?

Wow.  What a disappointment.  I thought you had standards......

pod people

Like the old saying goes: When you dance with the devil, you don't change the devil, he changes you.

Once you sell  your soul for the Orange Cheeto Lord, you never get it back.

[musiclady]

You support Hillary Clinton.  Just admit it.

Then, we can talk about standards.

I HATE Hillary Clinton.  That's why I won't vote for her clone, Donald Trump.

And you're not permitted to tell that vicious lie on this forum.  You KNOW better.

Who took away the real Arne and replaced him with a Trump pod person??