Republicans rush to build firewall to save the House

[sneakypete]

Wow! When was the last time you voted? I thought you were abstaining forever?

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

You must have me confused with someone else. I have voted in every election since Goldwater ran. I don't always vote for a presidential candidate,but I always vote down-ticket at a minimum.

I was planning on sitting this presidential election out also,but trying to make sure nobody named Clinton sits in the WH again. ranks right up there with making sure nobody named Bush ever  sits in the WH again,and I am on record stating several times that "If someone named Bush is ever running against someone named Satan for president,I will vote for Satan as the lesser of two evils.".

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I was planning on sitting this presidential election out also,but trying to make sure nobody named Clinton sits in the WH again. ranks right up there with making sure nobody named Bush ever again sits in the WH.

I hear that!

[DiogenesLamp]

Idiotic idea. Your EEOC board would quickly get controlled by liberals.

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I thought EEOC prosecutions were done by the Department of Health and Human Services? 


Doesn't the President have control of that?    Instruct them that discrimination against conservatives in hiring practices is a violation of the law,  and  order them to go after those industries that discriminate on the basis of creed. 

[DiogenesLamp]

You do make a couple of good points. Even I am considering voting for Donald Little Hands,just to piss off both the Dims and the alleged Republicans. It's rare to get a two-fer opportunity like that.

That is a good argument.   There are several.   


Glenn Reynolds argues that:   "We must elect Trump so that the media will resume their rolls as watchdogs instead of enablers."   


He argues that the media will be on Trump like stink on Sh*t if he does something wrong.    They will of course ignore blatant wrongdoings by Hillary.   


Another good argument is one I made some weeks ago.   


If we elect Trump,   Hillary goes to jail,  and so do all the cronies involved in Obama's illegalities for the last 8 years.    The smaller fish might even implicate Obama in criminal wrongdoing.   


But yeah,  pissing off the GOPe *AND*  the Democrats is probably the best argument i've heard so far.   


How else are you going to rebel at this point? 


We will be making all the right enemies. 

[sneakypete]

Another good argument is one I made some weeks ago.   


If we elect Trump,   Hillary goes to jail,  and so do all the cronies involved in Obama's illegalities for the last 8 years. 

@DiogenesLamp

You can't possibly be serious. If you really believe that you are too incompetent to be allowed to vote. She could eat a live infant on national tv during prime time and not even get arrested as long as the infant was white.

Neither she nor Bill is EVER going to be under arrest for anything. Hell,he was convicted of committing a federal felony while sitting in the WH and the only thing that happened to him was he had to give up the law license he never used anyhow.

Yeah,he was impeached too,but not enough US Senators was even willing to look at the evidence against him locked away in a room in the US Senate for their convenient viewing,so they dropped the charges against him to a lack of evidence,and left him in office.

[DiogenesLamp]

Then why do you want lesser elected? Thats a hell of a catch 22 you built for yourself. On one hand you say we gotta forget principle and elect liberal GOP because they arent Democrats, then you call the people you yourself elected cowards.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa...   I said nothing like that.    I said we have to deal with the choices we have before us.    At this point the frying pan is better than the fire.   

During the Primary I supported Ted Cruz.   I still think he was more morally fit,   smarter,  and knowledgeable in terms of conservative philosophy. 


But I don't have that choice anymore.   My state went for Cruz,  but other,  more Liberal states went for Trump.    I have to deal with the circumstances we have now.   I had to vote for Romney too,  and I didn't like it at all.   

So lets game this out. Why did you feel that cowards were the correct people to send to DC to do battle with the DNC machine?

Again you are putting words in my mouth.   One does not know someone is a coward until they falter under assault.  (from the media,  of course)    Once you realize they are afraid of and unable to push back against the New York media,   it's not hard to predict they will fail.

Who is responsible for electing the cowards?

What possible logic led you to believe that setting do nothing/go along get along subservient yellowbacks was the path to victory and conservative governance?

I'm ALL ears on this one. Have at it.

You are making up this story,  so you will have to narrate the rest of it to the rest of us.   


Your claim is built on false assumptions.    McCain was brave under physical torture,  but could not withstand the pain he would feel if he was ostracized by the social environment he prefers.   The Beltway.


We voters could not discern this until he revealed it through his actions. 

[DiogenesLamp]

@DiogenesLamp

I have told this story before,but I was in Moscow when the Russians were holding the 96 Presidential elections,and all I had read here in the US was about how the Communists were making a political comeback,and were destined to win and return the country to communism. Well,there I was in a hotel when the CP candidate was standing on the bed of a flatbed truck and giving a speech shortly before the election. CNN was being broadcast on a television in the hotel lobby at the same time,and I could even see the CNN reporter at the scene looking out from the hotel lobby,and see him on the tv screen at the same time. He was talking about how the Moscow Militia (city cops) and the Army were behind the CP candidate,and the Soviet Army during communist times had almost as much political power as the Politburo.

Anyhow,the CNN reporter was raving about how the Moscow Militia and a few senior Army officers standing on the bed of the truck and on the edges of the crowd PROVED how much support the communist had. Russians standing around in the lobby were practically snarling and growling at this. I asked them about this and they told me the reason the Moscow Militia and the Army police units were there was because the CP candidate had received so many death threats,and they were there to PROTECT him,not support him. Once I looked around it was obvious they were telling the truth because the militia were surrounding the stage and their brass and the Army brass were busy  keeping the protesters back. You couldn't see this on the camera angles in the lobby,though. If you were just looking at the tv you would be inclined to believe them.

When the speeches stopped and the parade began,the only organization I saw marching with the Communists were the Russian Orthodox Church people,and yes I know it was them because they actually have their own flag they fly,and there were a lot of priests and nuns marching under the banner. The commies had promised them that in return for their support they would ban all other religions from operating in Russia if they won.

I told the Russians in the lobby that if someone would give me a good belt-fed 30 caliber and a couple of ammo bearers that I could solve that little problem for them in just a few minutes,and they started smiling,laughing,and smacking me on the back and offering to buy me drinks.

So much for CNN truthfulness about the typical Russia being pro-communist and anti-American.

That is a very good story,  and it tends to demonstrate that Communism has survived longer in our institutions than theirs.    They now see the fallacies inherent in it,  while over here it is still just theory. 


Of course what they have transitioned to is somewhat closer to National Socialism than it is to Capitalism. 

[DiogenesLamp]

@DiogenesLamp

How can it be that it has never occurred to you that many/most of us have been thinking and commenting about these issues for decades now,and don't need a whole lot of time to think stuff over? You think this is our first election?

I think this is the third time I have addressed this point.  (more evidence of what I meant, because many of you don't seem to be keeping up with the other messages in the thread.)   


What I thought was ill thought out was the agreement that NPR represented a significant part of the problem we face.   


In all your years of thinking about the problem,  did you arrive at the conclusion that NPR is very significant compared to Liberal censorship of conservative access to broadcast media? 


I consider it a problem,   but it is a little problem.  Not a big problem. 

[DiogenesLamp]

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

You must have me confused with someone else. I have voted in every election since Goldwater ran. I don't always vote for a presidential candidate,but I always vote down-ticket at a minimum.

I was planning on sitting this presidential election out also,but trying to make sure nobody named Clinton sits in the WH again. ranks right up there with making sure nobody named Bush ever  sits in the WH again,and I am on record stating several times that "If someone named Bush is ever running against someone named Satan for president,I will vote for Satan as the lesser of two evils.".

No more Bushes.  No more Clintons.   Amen!   

Both families have done quite enough already.   

[Hoodat]

Hoodat:  Then give out vouchers for 'free' [sic] birth control instead of subsidizing one particular entity.  Or supply pharmacies with 'free' birth control to be made available to poor black women, since that's who we're really talking about here, right?  <<

Ahhh,the race card. Always handy to pull out of your pocket when you have nothing else. I'm a little surprised it hasn't shown up sooner.

@sneakypete

LOL, are you serious?  When I have nothing else?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

With detailed response after detailed response after detailed response, you search for one word, discard the rest, and then accuse me of playing the race card?  Utterly pathetic.

btw, killing black babies is what Planned Parenthood does.  Preventing the birth of black children was the reason they were founded.  It is the reason their abortion clinics are placed in black areas of inner cities.  You will be hard pressed to find a Planned Parenthood abortion clinic in a lily-white suburb or town like Chappaqua.

I see you conveniently ignored the actual substance of what I wrote.  Kitchen getting too hot for you?  The bottom line is that there are plenty of ways to get birth control into the hands of women - rich or poor - without funding the largest abortion provider in the country - one which was founded on racism, and one that funnels part of that money right back into Democrat Party coffers.  Yet for some strange reason, you want to continue that gravy train with ears tightly closed.

Bah!

[Hoodat]

Or how about:

BUY YOUR OWN CRAP!!!

Works for me.

[sneakypete]

I think this is the third time I have addressed this point.  (more evidence of what I meant, because many of you don't seem to be keeping up with the other messages in the thread.)    <<

@DiogenesLamp

Sorry about that. I,like I suspect most other posters,reply to posts on a thread as we see them,and not being mindreaders,we have no idea who has posted what in reply to that post further down the thread.


>>What I thought was ill thought out was the agreement that NPR represented a significant part of the problem we face.   


In all your years of thinking about the problem,  did you arrive at the conclusion that NPR is very significant compared to Liberal censorship of conservative access to broadcast media?  <<

In all those years,I have probably put maybe 30 minutes total thinking about NPR. Piddly little shit that is nothing more than a sideshow,and I had rather spend my time on things like illegal and even legal immigration,Sharia Law in the US,open borders,2nd Amendment issues,1st Amendment issues,"for English press 2",etc,etc,etc. I consider NPR to be more of a bookkeeping issue than a freedom issue,and even then it is no more than lunch money when looking at the feral budget. The army alone probably spends more money on condoms each year than the government spends on NPR.


>>I consider it a problem,   but it is a little problem.  Not a big problem. <<

OK. Free country,and all dat.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

LOL, are you serious?  When I have nothing else?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA<<

@Hoodat

Didn't seem to be much more in that post.

>>With detailed response after detailed response after detailed response, you search for one word, discard the rest, and then accuse me of playing the race card?  Utterly pathetic.<<

I don't have the time to discuss the minutia or every single pearl of wisdom you write. I ain't your babysitter and I ain't your daddy. I respond to what I want to respond to when I have the time and/or the inclination to respond to it.

>>btw, killing black babies is what Planned Parenthood does.  Preventing the birth of black children was the reason they were founded. <<

I remember reading that years ago,and have no doubt about it being true. Times,and political expediency have changed though,and I have no doubt today that our Masters in DC would prefer to see more white babies aborted than minority babies. Minority babies tend to vote Global when they grow up,and even sometimes while they are still babies. White people,not so much. White people also tend to be harder to handle when irritated,and can't be bought off with free cheap cell phones.

>> It is the reason their abortion clinics are placed in black areas of inner cities.  You will be hard pressed to find a Planned Parenthood abortion clinic in a lily-white suburb or town like Chappaqua.<<

Probably. Can't say that I personally have ever seen one anywhere.

>>I see you conveniently ignored the actual substance of what I wrote.  Kitchen getting too hot for you? <<

Yeah,that's what it is. I am so in awe of your immense wisdom that I am cowed to the point of being speechless.  Good observation!

>>The bottom line is that there are plenty of ways to get birth control into the hands of women - rich or poor - without funding the largest abortion provider in the country - one which was founded on racism, and one that funnels part of that money right back into Democrat Party coffers.  <<

Having a Midol Moment over this crap,ain't ya?

 

[Hoodat]

I don't have the time to discuss the minutia or every single pearl of wisdom you write. I ain't your babysitter and I ain't your daddy. I respond to what I want to respond to when I have the time and/or the inclination to respond to it.

Fair enough.  Just don't accuse me of having nothing else to offer just because of your own deficiency of time and/or inclination.  And don't use the word 'black' as an excuse to check out of the discussion with some phantom race card accusation.  If you don't have time, then you don't have time.

Besides, it is clear from your previous post that your support of taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood has nothing to do with handing out birth control pills, but involves something else such as your perceptions and/or prejudices against Christians.  Just something to think about.

[sneakypete]

Besides, it is clear from your previous post that your support of taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood has nothing to do with handing out birth control pills, but involves something else such as your perceptions and/or prejudices against Christians.  Just something to think about.

@Hoodat

What is clear to me is you are a bald-faced professional liar.

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat

What is clear to me is you are a bald-faced professional liar.

Show me the lie.

[Hoodat]

For reference, here again is your initial statement:

As for Planned Parenthood,the ONLY people in America that consider PP to be a enemy today are the tiny fringe that identify themselves as fundie Christians. YOU might THINK you are a large group that represents the typical America because everybody in your family and your church agree with you,but you are nothing but a tiny fringe element most people laugh at.

I just wish there were some way those of us who are sane could piss you fundies off enough to make you desert the Republican Party for good because you scare more conservative-leaning voters away from the Republican Party and into the Dim Party than you draw. There are a lot of people who register and vote Dim because they are justifiably terrified of Rabid Religious loons taking control over America and ruling as an American Christian Taliban.

You rant and rave about late term abortion,but the truth is you are opposed to birth control and if it were in your power it would be illegal to buy or use contraceptives,and you would insist that a mother die in childbirth than have an abortion. You know this but won't admit it,and everybody knows you  know this. The truth is you BELONG in the Dim Party because you want the government to enforce your religious viewpoints using the force of law and the courts just like the globalists want to use the government to enforce their "religious" viewpoints.

[sneakypete]

Show me the lie.

@Hoodat

It was in the post,you dumbass.

[Hoodat]

Show me the lie.

It was in the post,you dumbass.

Then it should be easy for you.  Show me the lie.  When it comes to matters of truth, if you are going to call someone a liar, you should at least be able to prove it.

[Gefn]

It is the same problem. Merely smaller, yet one we have much more detail on since "unbiasing" (as well as defunding) have been attempted on NPR before. Didn't work there, so it's not going to work on a larger, profit funded media.

Now, your idea of a voter controlled "board" to oversee the media. You are relying on voters common sense and fairness here - NOT a terribly good idea, as the current shit show illustrates (pick a thread, any thread, for proof).

Consider the History Channel. Remember that channel's charter and it's first couple of years? Educational and interesting programs were it's reason for existing. The voters voted with their remotes - now it's pawn stars and storage wars. Fair enough if you like that sort of thing, but a far cry from it's original remit. The voters did that. No one else. The same people you expect to maintain balance in all broadcast media.

The History Channel also has "Ancient Aliens". Hurray for Giorgio! We like his meme!
(Seriously though, I do agree with you, @EC  I loved "biography" show.) 

[sneakypete]

@Freya   @EC

Quote from: EC on October 19, 2016, 03:36:21 PM

    It is the same problem. Merely smaller, yet one we have much more detail on since "unbiasing" (as well as defunding) have been attempted on NPR before. Didn't work there, so it's not going to work on a larger, profit funded media.

    Now, your idea of a voter controlled "board" to oversee the media. You are relying on voters common sense and fairness here - NOT a terribly good idea, as the current shit show illustrates (pick a thread, any thread, for proof).

    Consider the History Channel. Remember that channel's charter and it's first couple of years? Educational and interesting programs were it's reason for existing. The voters voted with their remotes - now it's pawn stars and storage wars. Fair enough if you like that sort of thing, but a far cry from it's original remit. The voters did that. No one else. The same people you expect to maintain balance in all broadcast media.<<

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Our Founding Fathers had VERY good reasons to make sure our country was established as a Republic,and not a Democracy. Democracy ALWAYS results in mob rule.