Clinton Announces Massive Gun Control Plan

[Norm Lenhart]

@Norm Lenhart

Really all that matters is that you feel good about yourself.   Seriously, that is the most important thing in the world.

I'm trying to decide if I should play along and humor your delusions or not. I'll leave it up to you. Should I? On one hand it occupies your time and stops you from posting mindless liberalism elsewhere at that moment that someone might read and be influenced by. On the other, you probably arent on the ball enough to realize that.

So you make the call. I'll go with that.

[Norm Lenhart]

Norm is living in the past. He still thinks this is a race of liberal vs. conservative, and principles. Completely out of touch with reality.

This is progressivism and globalism against good old American populist nationalism. Some people can't get on board, and that's when you come to the briefing room to bitch about your lack of political influence in the world.

Whatever word games get you through the day, I guess.

[Smokin Joe]

@Norm Lenhart

No it doesn't upset me.   Nobody really cares what you do Norm.   I mean it would be nice if you would do something to make a difference in the world.  Perhaps help teach conservatism or move a conservative agenda item forward.  But we know that people like you can't do that.   That you prefer to be dead weight, consuming oxygen but not helping make this world a better place.

Really all that matters is that you feel good about yourself.   Seriously, that is the most important thing in the world.

Excuse me for butting in, diver, but just how did that wad of snarky nonsense do anything to move a conservative agenda forward? Simply by standing one's ground while the GOP does another Left shift puts Norm's position, relative to the GOP, forward toward a Conservative goal.

I still don't get how anyone in their right mind thinks voting for the most Liberal, most unacceptable candidate in the history of the Republican Party will do anything to advance conservatism, or further that cause.
All it does is take the GOP one giant step to the Left.
In any sane year, virtually any of the other GOP candidates could have beaten the Felonious Cankles. Of all the candidates to champion, the one who donated to her campaigns is "the one"?

Sanctioning this nonsense with a vote only lowers the bar, and damages the cause of conservatism. At least if this is rejected, conservatism survives. Retain our principles, and those of us who believe our Constitution should be the framework of our government, the seminal document, the supreme law of the land, can move forward. Abandon principle for 'expediency' and we have nothing. The fight will fall on the Congress, if the candidate at the top of the ticket doesn't wreck that.

[Norm Lenhart]

Excuse me for butting in, diver, but just how did that wad of snarky nonsense do anything to move a conservative agenda forward? Simply by standing one's ground while the GOP does another Left shift puts Norm's position, relative to the GOP, forward toward a Conservative goal.

I still don't get how anyone in their right mind thinks voting for the most Liberal, most unacceptable candidate in the history of the Republican Party will do anything to advance conservatism, or further that cause.
All it does is take the GOP one giant step to the Left.
In any sane year, virtually any of the other GOP candidates could have beaten the Felonious Cankles. Of all the candidates to champion, the one who donated to her campaigns is "the one"?

Sanctioning this nonsense with a vote only lowers the bar, and damages the cause of conservatism. At least if this is rejected, conservatism survives. Retain our principles, and those of us who believe our Constitution should be the framework of our government, the seminal document, the supreme law of the land, can move forward. Abandon principle for 'expediency' and we have nothing. The fight will fall on the Congress, if the candidate at the top of the ticket doesn't wreck that.

Because he's interested in advancing liberalism, not conservatism.

[Smokin Joe]

Because he's interested in advancing liberalism, not conservatism.

Somewhere along the line, people got confused and started equating "Republican" with "Conservative".
That may have been true at different times in history in a relative sense, but "Conservative" embraces a set of values, and those principles define it.
"Republican" is just another brand, and while there are some Conservative values in the Party platform, sadly that has been as badly ignored as the Constitution of late. 
The two are not equivalent terms, and should not be used as such unless and until the GOP becomes a Conservative Party again in practice.

Maybe he thinks advancing the brand is advancing Conservatism, but this is a textbook case why that is not necessarily so.

[XenaLee]

More people voted for Trump than any other GOP primary candidate ever. Trump got more votes than Romney, McCain, or Bush. Why because Trump is the only candidate that was right on the issues important to Americas' right leaning voters. All the other major candidates were owned lock, stock and barrel by the globalist uniparty.

The border is on the ballet this election.
The Supreme Court is on the ballet this election.
The amnesty is on the ballet this election.
A war with Russia is on the ballet this election.
American Jobs are on the ballet this election.

More like.....

Why because more Democrats than ever 'got the memo' and crossed over and voted for Trump in the open primaries.

More Democrats than ever knew that Trump would lose to their anointed one, Her Evilness, The Hillary.

You've been played.

[RoosGirl]

[Norm Lenhart]

Somewhere along the line, people got confused and started equating "Republican" with "Conservative".
That may have been true at different times in history in a relative sense, but "Conservative" embraces a set of values, and those principles define it.
"Republican" is just another brand, and while there are some Conservative values in the Party platform, sadly that has been as badly ignored as the Constitution of late. 
The two are not equivalent terms, and should not be used as such unless and until the GOP becomes a Conservative Party again in practice.

Maybe he thinks advancing the brand is advancing Conservatism, but this is a textbook case why that is not necessarily so.

People got confused about a lot of things unfortunately. They now think that they are entitled to direct the votes of others and go full Alynski when they don't get the responses they like.

Some of us have held the exact same position for many years and every election, people are just MORTIFIED! that we stick to that position and don't play hopscotch when things don't go our way. This is because they forgot what the whole meaning of 'principle' is. They think it'd fungible. But of course, it isn't.

I'm not sure what impresses me more. Their ability to drag up and rehash the verbatim excuses that failed them last election and the election before ad infinitum, or the new, even more crazy ones they manage to develop. I do however wish they'd just admit that conservatism isn't what they want and move on to what they do. It would make the most sense.

But if they did that, they couldn't interfere with the advancement of conservatism so I tend to think the evidence shows that they are liberals doing what liberals do. Election after election.

[Norm Lenhart]

More like.....

Why because more Democrats than ever 'got the memo' and crossed over and voted for Trump in the open primaries.

More Democrats than ever knew that Trump would lose to their anointed one, Her Evilness, The Hillary.

You've been played.

Back on TOS, I argued regularly that welcoming crossover voters was suicidal. But of course the brilliant minds new better. Naturally, after Trump was nominated, they crossed right back and Trump will be landslided.

Man who coulda saw that coming?

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Yep. A biggie. I think she's jealous of The Donald's negatives and is trying to increase hers.

If HRC comes out as a gun-grabber explicitly, it'll motivate some NeverTrumpers to deal with the devil (aka Trump).


Also, a lot of middle of the roaders are pro-gun rights.


This is a mistake by the HRC camp.


This is what my gut is telling me.

[XenaLee]

Back on TOS, I argued regularly that welcoming crossover voters was suicidal. But of course the brilliant minds new better. Naturally, after Trump was nominated, they crossed right back and Trump will be landslided.

Man who coulda saw that coming?

The Trumpocrats relied on being able to fool the majority of LIVs into supporting Trump, no matter what.  Even those that had considered themselves to be conservatives (Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, Mark Steyn, etc.)  found themselves reluctantly admitting that they would vote for Trump ultimately, their principles evidently much more "fluid" than even they ever considered possible.  The obvious problem with that is.... principles are never fluid.  You either have them and stand by them...or you don't.

This election will go down in history as a massive brainwashing experiment....while simultaneously proving the abject idiocy of most American voters.  An experiment that succeeded splendidly while failing the US constitution and the nation massively.  All as orchestrated and planned by America's enemy within, IOW.

[XenaLee]

If HRC comes out as a gun-grabber explicitly, it'll motivate some NeverTrumpers to deal with the devil (aka Trump).


Also, a lot of middle of the roaders are pro-gun rights.


This is a mistake by the HRC camp.


This is what my gut is telling me.

And just how, pray tell, does one "deal with the devil" and not lose everything, including their soul?

And dealing with Trump throughout this entire circus of a campaign has been so very effective....NOT.

Trump is the only one whose 'deals' matter ...to him.  Everyone else trying to deal with him will lose.  His ego demands it.

[HonestJohn]

Self fulfilling prophecy, you NeverTrumpers did not get your way in a fair primary battle so you going to help throw the election to Hillary just for spite.  Enjoy President Hillary you earned her.

And you knew it before you voted in the primaries.

[Norm Lenhart]

The Trumpocrats relied on being able to fool the majority of LIVs into supporting Trump, no matter what.  Even those that had considered themselves to be conservatives (Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, Mark Steyn, etc.)  found themselves reluctantly admitting that they would vote for Trump ultimately, their principles evidently much more "fluid" than even they ever considered possible.  The obvious problem with that is.... principles are never fluid.  You either have them and stand by them...or you don't.

This election will go down in history as a massive brainwashing experiment....while simultaneously proving the abject idiocy of most American voters.  An experiment that succeeded splendidly while failing the US constitution and the nation massively.  All as orchestrated and planned by America's enemy within, IOW.

Their fluidity comes into play every election. Anyone can look back and see the pattern repeat.

Election ends.

Conservative media (CM) blathers endlessly about winning the next one never again bowing to liberals in the party.

Liberals in the party give the store away to Dems.

CM spazzes out vowing to fight against them in the primary and send them home


Liberals in the party give the store away to Dems.

CM spazzes out vowing to fight against them in the primary and send them home

Repeat 5 or 6 times

Election season begins

CM begins to back off threat.

GOP fronts MORE liberals

NNC fronts more liberals

CM goes into "We have to save the Country/most important election EVAH! mode.

CM goes full tilt for the very people they called Satan for 2 years.

CM refuses to support any primary opponents

Election puts more liberals than ever into power

CM begins the process anew.

If one person wants to show me where the above has not held true, they will be the first to do so in 3 elections running. That includes Rush, Levin, ALL of them.

[XenaLee]

Their fluidity comes into play every election. Anyone can look back and see the pattern repeat.

Election ends.

Conservative media (CM) blathers endlessly about winning the next one never again bowing to liberals in the party.

Liberals in the party give the store away to Dems.

CM spazzes out vowing to fight against them in the primary and send them home


Liberals in the party give the store away to Dems.

CM spazzes out vowing to fight against them in the primary and send them home

Repeat 5 or 6 times

Election season begins

CM begins to back off threat.

GOP fronts MORE liberals

NNC fronts more liberals

CM goes into "We have to save the Country/most important election EVAH! mode.

CM goes full tilt for the very people they called Satan for 2 years.

CM refuses to support any primary opponents

Election puts more liberals than ever into power

CM begins the process anew.

If one person wants to show me where the above has not held true, they will be the first to do so in 3 elections running. That includes Rush, Levin, ALL of them.

And meanwhile.....the LIVs, the logic-challenged and the willing-dupes/useful idiots refuse to even see a pattern there, much less admit to it.  And the result is....the very definition of the term insanity.

[RoosGirl]

Self fulfilling prophecy, you NeverTrumpers did not get your way in a fair primary battle so you going to help throw the election to Hillary just for spite.  Enjoy President Hillary you earned her.

Maybe there's a lesson here the idiot Republicans could learn.  Despite what the Orange Savior says, they need conservative voters to win.  They can blame themselves for nominating someone a republican will vote for, but a conservative won't.

[Norm Lenhart]

Maybe there's a lesson here the idiot Republicans could learn.  Despite what the Orange Savior says, they need conservative voters to win.  They can blame themselves for nominating someone a republican will vote for, but a conservative won't.

The thing is that conservatives told them in 12 that we were not going to support/vote for Romney. They chose Romney and lost without us. That made them painfully aware we can make or break them.

This election, they tried Trump. We told them when this mess got started he was a no go. Rather than learn from their last fail, they thought we could be browbeaten into it. Again, they were wrong.

However, Trump couldn't keep his mouth shut and made even MORE people than just conservatives say no. So now not only are they going to lose, but lose big and it won't be solely conservatives that said no. It's moderates, women, Rednecks, Harvard grads, People of faith, people of no faith...people across the spectrum.

Now they are stuck with a failed candidate, everyone blames them for their stupid choices and they cant do anything but stew as Trump makes things worse and worse as the days go on.

[endicom]

What's with the alt-right salute?

[mountaineer]

I guess we should have nominated someone who could beat her.

Who would that have been? I didn't vote for him. My guy couldn't beat him.

[Norm Lenhart]

Who would that have been? I didn't vote for him. My guy couldn't beat him.

Do you really want to play this game? Really? Because I think everyone is tired of it.

[Norm Lenhart]

What's with the alt-right salute?

How would you know what an "Alt Right salute" was? Are you a proud member?

[Smokin Joe]

What's with the alt-right salute?

It is a high five, not an "alt-right salute". Here. Have this 

Still confused? (There is no Gibbs style head whack emoji)

[ScottinVA]

More people voted for Trump than any other GOP primary candidate ever.

Damned right they did, and a large number included democrat "crossovers" who temporarily switched party affiliations to emplace Trump as the easiest takedown for Hillary Clinton.  You didn't really think those tens of thousands of dem-to-GOP switchers in PA and FL were authentic, did you?

[mountaineer]

Do you really want to play this game? Really? Because I think everyone is tired of it.

What game is that, Norm? You seem to be so all-knowing, I'd really like to know who could have beaten Trump, because I would have supported him or her in a heartbeat. The problem is, no one did beat him in the primary season, and this is where we are.

[XenaLee]

What game is that, Norm? You seem to be so all-knowing, I'd really like to know who could have beaten Trump, because I would have supported him or her in a heartbeat. The problem is, no one did beat him in the primary season, and this is where we are.

That's because of two things. 

One, the GOP primary had too damned many contenders...contenders that refused to drop out for the good of the party....unlike the Democratic Party primary. 

Two, the Democrats had their marching orders to cross over and vote for Trump in open primaries as the most easy for Hillary and the Democrats to beat. 

Had either of those two criteria not been in play, Trump would NEVER have won the nomination.