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Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« on: October 15, 2016, 03:34:45 pm »
Yep, I'm starting to really believe this is one big test...

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During an interview which developed into a shouting match on MSNBC’s Morning Joe on Friday, formerly respected Christian Ben Carson, now a loyal Donald Trump surrogate, argued that voters should set aside their “Judeo-Christian values” until after the election is over......

http://politistick.com/ben-carson-set-aside-christian-principles-elect-trump/#


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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2016, 03:44:04 pm »
Just sign right here, and you WILL make America great again. I prrrrrrrrromise.

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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2016, 03:50:01 pm »
Quote from: AbaraXas on October 15, 2016, 03:34:45 pm
Yep, I'm starting to really believe this is one big test...

I would submit that if one can set  aside one's Christian principles, one is, by definition, not a Christian.
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2016, 03:53:43 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on October 15, 2016, 03:50:01 pm
I would submit that if one can set  aside one's Christian principles, one is, by definition, not a Christian.
And you would be correct. But most people think you can empower abortion legislators, gay marriage advocates and a host of other rock solid liberal positions and be a conservative too.

Remember, this is a country now with 52 distinct genders where you can tell your doctor your penis/vagina isn't a part of your body and he will lose his license to practice if he attempts to correct the error in your assumption.
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2016, 03:59:01 pm »
Quote from: AbaraXas on October 15, 2016, 03:34:45 pm
Yep, I'm starting to really believe this is one big test...

It doesn't matter whether they (the Trump accusers) are lying or not?  He's not dealing in reality here.  He is too drunk on the orange kool aid.

Carson is no longer capable of talking straight or giving a straight answer.  He just doesn't have it in him.  I'm wondering if he ever did.

That said, I never heard him actually SAY that you have to put aside your Judeo-Christian principles....so the title of the article is misleading, to say the least.

And yeah....life is a continuous test.  This is just one.  Imagine how many 'more' folks will be falling for the anti-Christ's BS when he (or she) finally shows up.  I never thought it possible before Obama (or Trump).  Now I know only too well how possible .....how probable.....it is.
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2016, 03:59:11 pm »
Dr. Carson you are both wrong and a big disappointment to all those who supported you.
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2016, 04:07:43 pm »
Quote from: ConstitutionRose on October 15, 2016, 03:59:11 pm
Dr. Carson you are both wrong and a big disappointment to all those who supported you.

I was never a big fan of his. He did say a few good things everyone including myself could get behind, but IMO it quickly became apparent that he was not the cure for the problem. Wrong temperament, lots of questionable issues in his past and he had a serious case of 'go along/get along'. He is a follower not a leader. He should have stuck to medicine where he is talented.
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2016, 04:16:37 pm »
Quote from: Norm Lenhart on October 15, 2016, 04:07:43 pm
I was never a big fan of his. He did say a few good things everyone including myself could get behind, but IMO it quickly became apparent that he was not the cure for the problem. Wrong temperament, lots of questionable issues in his past and he had a serious case of 'go along/get along'. He is a follower not a leader. He should have stuck to medicine where he is talented.

The main thing Carson has accomplished is to demonstrate that brain surgery must not be quite so difficult after all.  Rocket science now stands distinct as the paradigmatic representation of complexity.
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2016, 04:19:53 pm »
Quote from: AbaraXas on October 15, 2016, 03:34:45 pm
Yep, I'm starting to really believe this is one big test...
Well, all I can say is that that's one more person I am glad did not get the nomination.

No, Ben, not for you, not for him, not at gunpoint.

Eternity will last a lot longer than anything you fools can concoct.
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2016, 04:37:59 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on October 15, 2016, 03:50:01 pm
I would submit that if one can set  aside one's Christian principles, one is, by definition, not a Christian.

I would also argue that if Christians are willing to set Christian values aside for the sake of politics then they can't complain about political attacks on Christians by Opposing parties.
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2016, 04:49:20 pm »
Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on October 15, 2016, 04:37:59 pm
I would also argue that if Christians are willing to set Christian values aside for the sake of politics then they can't complain about political attacks on Christians by Opposing parties.

Torquemada would fit right in with either Hillary or Trump.
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2016, 04:54:02 pm »
Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on October 15, 2016, 04:37:59 pm
I would also argue that if Christians are willing to set Christian values aside for the sake of politics then they can't complain about political attacks on Christians by Opposing parties.

Set aside your principles and they will never be taken up again. TRUE.
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2016, 04:58:27 pm »
Quote from: bolobaby on October 15, 2016, 03:44:04 pm
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Ben Carson abandoned whatever principles he might have once had when he treated Cruz so shabbily about an honest action by someone on the Cruz team.... this after Trump had destroyed Carson's credibility and called him a psychopath. 
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2016, 05:01:05 pm »
I voted for Bush 2 times, that invasion put Christians in the firing line as far back as 2004; I see no problem with Trump, especially against the Democratic party. You can't make a bigger mess than Obama and Bush did.
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2016, 05:01:47 pm »
If the values upon which the United States was founded need to be set aside in order to elect the a candidate, then that candidate is totally unfit for the office of president.
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2016, 05:14:35 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on October 15, 2016, 05:01:05 pm
You can't make a bigger mess than Obama and Bush did.

You absolutely can. Are you watching Donny's campaign? It is a 4 alarm disaster.....and you want to see what he can do with the whole country after that?
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2016, 05:16:08 pm »
I wonder how much Trump paid Carson to run for President and endorse him.
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2016, 05:41:59 pm »
Quote from: Frank Cannon on October 15, 2016, 05:14:35 pm
You absolutely can. Are you watching Donny's campaign? It is a 4 alarm disaster.....and you want to see what he can do with the whole country after that?

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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2016, 07:15:47 pm »
Quote from: AbaraXas on October 15, 2016, 03:34:45 pm
Yep, I'm starting to really believe this is one big test...

Sounds like Carson needs to operate on his own brain...........
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2016, 09:04:44 pm »
If you won't stick with your principles when they are tested, then they aren't principles!
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2016, 09:14:26 pm »
Quote from: goodwithagun on October 15, 2016, 05:01:47 pm
If the values upon which the United States was founded need to be set aside in order to elect the a candidate, then that candidate is totally unfit for the office of president.

Where's abortion and same-sex marriage in the Constitution? Looks like we crossed that bridge long ago.

A Supreme Court that ruled to take prayer out of schools? That Constitution?
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2016, 09:26:59 pm »
Did we not need to put aside our Christian Principles for Bush?

Oh, his Supreme Court Nominations have been great, let's let HRC make 4 appointees to the SCOTUS, all like Ginsburg; oh, yes, this Constitutional Logic is working big time.
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2016, 09:34:30 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on October 15, 2016, 09:14:26 pm
A Supreme Court that ruled to take prayer out of schools? That Constitution?

Where is prayer in schools in the Constitution, exactly? Curious now.
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2016, 09:36:01 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on October 15, 2016, 09:26:59 pm
Did we not need to put aside our Christian Principles for Bush?

Oh, his Supreme Court Nominations have been great, let's let HRC make 4 appointees to the SCOTUS, all like Ginsburg; oh, yes, this Constitutional Logic is working big time.

Actually no. Bush ran on a pro-Christian, pro-Life platform and he didn't even have to constantly flip flop.

And I'm glad you brought up his Supreme Court nominations because, remember, he gave us John Roberts, and by us, I mean Conservatives. He originally nominated Harriet Meyers and Conservatives screamed that she wasn't good enough so he gave us Roberts who was supposed to be the Conservative answer.

That makes a very strong point that even one who ran as a Conservative and would be far to the right of Trump, failed in that regard.

How the hell do you expect a wishy-washy liberal populist with no Conservative foundation, to suddenly do better because he says that now.  At that, not only has he bragged that he'll 'make deals', he even tells you in The Art of the Deal and The Art of the Comeback that he will lie to your face and promise you exactly what you want to hear to close the deal- even though there is no lick of truth to it.

Comparing Trump to Bush is a perfect example of why the Supreme Court argument is moot.
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Re: Ben Carson: Set Aside Your Christian Principles to Elect Trump
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2016, 09:47:29 pm »
It seems I heard that all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God; I think Dr. Carson is just saying, don't let the personal faults of an individual, in this case, years ago, keep one from doing the right thing.

Leave it to the Cruz-bots and Beck-bots to bring in the Constitution; let's see how effective the Constitution is with an HRC stacked court.
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