Right Now, There Are Only Two Kinds of Conservatives

[kevindavis007]

Davis is a talk show host here in DFW and, last time I listened to him, he was seething with rage at anyone who would not vote for Trump.  I can see he's much worse now, knowing that Trump is done. 

People like this are why I'm glad I'm no longer in the GOP.  This kind of goose-stepping never suited me, and I won't stand for it now.

Guys like Davis and Hannity and all those Trump symps are wedgied up that Trump's campaign is dead and are lashing out, wanting to blame any of us who don't support Trump for his loss.

Let them rage.  Maybe they'll be normal in three weeks.

I don't think so.. Talk Radio has gone from normal talk, to bitch and moaning talk.  Far as I'm concerned talk radio is done.

[kevindavis007]

What we need to do is figure out how to get rid of the advantage our two main parties have in the system.

Why does our government dictate which two parties reign supreme,  it's no different than the Soviet Union that deemed in their Constitution that the Communist Party is the leading force in the country.

Well unless you want a parliamentary form of Government, this country has been a two party system from the beginning..

[Norm Lenhart]

The difference is that while Romney was wrong on one issue... Trump is wrong on all issues (as he takes all positions on all issues).

And he then both brags about that and condemns everyone who does not lick his boots for pointing it out.

Romney never went to his detractors and threatened them.  The TOS was the only place that did, making it an abnormality.

Both Trump and those places that support him *ALL* threaten those that don't agree.

See the dicotomy?

I assume you mean he was wrong on Abortion. And I would agree he was indeed.

What about gun control, gay marriage, Romneycare and the rest? He was Very, very wrong on MANY core issues.

Romney is just a different kind of evil than trump. One can say one was/is  'better' than the other, but thats really like saying dying of AIDS is better than Ebola. They are both gonna hurt a lot, you are gonna suffer a lot and you're still just as dead in the end.

[Night Hides Not]

A minor point, but I posted this thread yesterday, long before @endicom . It's a bit annoying when I see duplicate threads.

SO THERE!!!   

[Mod1]

Two threads posting same article: merged!

[Idaho_Cowboy]

I missed where Trump claimed to be Mr. Conservative.

Well I guess that settles it then.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Same scenario ...however, there is also a small window to your far right (3rd party) that you could try to pry open and fit through before you're engulfed in flames. The sewer is right in front of you and the easier choice as the window is boarded up, but if you are able to open it, it is a much more palatable option for escape. There is no guarantee that you will live through the filth of the sewer in fact you could drown in the filth.  The window if you can get through it offers more hope of actually surviving. Which do you choose?

Unless you are about 3" wide you can't fit through a sewer anyways. Those scenes in the movies unless it's Rome or Paris are generally not truth in television.

[endicom]

A minor point, but I posted this thread yesterday, long before @endicom . It's a bit annoying when I see duplicate threads.

SO THERE!!!   

Didn't see it.

[bigheadfred]

Only two kinds of conservatives....what about me, I don't fit into either....

Only one kind. My kind. And I am abby. 

[bigheadfred]

How dare you say that. Everyone knows Jeb is more of a Fiat Strada sort of fellow.

What is Trumps' fave car? The afFordable escort.

[Smokin Joe]

Well unless you want a parliamentary form of Government, this country has been a two party system from the beginning..

Nope.      Guess what year?

[bigheadfred]

Nope.      Guess what year?

1852

[Smokin Joe]

1852

Close, but no seegar.

1860, just before the last "Civil War", (more properly known where I grew up as "The War of Northern Aggression").
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/showelection.php?year=1860


Red: Republican    Abraham Lincoln/Hannibal Hamlin 180 ev   59.4%    1,865,908    39.9%
Blue: Southern Democratic    John Breckenridge/Joseph Lane    72 ev    23.8%    848,019    18.1%
Yellow: Constitutional Union John Bell/Edward Everett    39ev    12.9%    590,901     12.6%
Green: Democratic Stephen Douglas/Herschel Johnson    12ev    4.0%    1,380,202    29.5%

Electoral votes were a winner-take-all proposition.

[bigheadfred]

Close, but no seegar.

1860, just before the last "Civil War", (more properly known where I grew up as "The War of Northern Aggression").
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/showelection.php?year=1860


Red: Republican    Abraham Lincoln/Hannibal Hamlin 180 ev   59.4%    1,865,908    39.9%
Blue: Southern Democratic    John Breckenridge/Joseph Lane    72 ev    23.8%    848,019    18.1%
Yellow: Constitutional Union John Bell/Edward Everett    39ev    12.9%    590,901     12.6%
Green: Democratic Stephen Douglas/Herschel Johnson    12ev    4.0%    1,380,202    29.5%

Electoral votes were a winner-take-all proposition.

 Couldn't remember Oregon statehood. I thought it was earlier. Think I confused it with territory.  Oh well. I'll take close.

[sinkspur]

A minor point, but I posted this thread yesterday, long before @endicom . It's a bit annoying when I see duplicate threads.

SO THERE!!!   

Happens all the time. Nobody checks.  Some articles are posted three and four times.

[bigheadfred]

Happens all the time. Nobody checks.  Some articles are posted three and four times.

I think there are only 3 maybe 4 threads. They change the titles...

[endicom]

They change the titles...

Is that it? People spend ten or more years in fora like FR and they don't know better?

[endicom]

Couldn't remember Oregon statehood. I thought it was earlier. Think I confused it with territory.  Oh well. I'll take close.

Goldwater was born in the Arizona Territory. His eligibility for the presidency was questioned.

[bigheadfred]

Goldwater was born in the Arizona Territory. His eligibility for the presidency was questioned.

huh

I don't remember a President Goldwater.

[Fishrrman]

Fine article.

Salient excerpts:
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And there are two kinds of conservatives right now: those who will take up the fight to save this nation from Hillary Clinton, and those who won’t. From the halls of Congress to the cubicles of punditry, many will be judged for years to come by their choices in the coming days.

I will be joined by countless conservatives who have pivoted from other candidates (I was a Cruz guy), sharing a common mission: to make sure that Bill and Hillary Clinton slink off to Chappaqua where they can never screw up our country again.

That’s one of the two current behaviors of conservatism. The other type will be weaving additional venomous tales of a Trump presidency that they say will be worse. Or maybe they don’t even believe that. Maybe they just hate him so deeply that it will be a notch on their belt to say they stood between him and the Oval Office.

I did not know sufficient engines of hysteria and self-absorption existed to devour the reasoning of so many people I had spent so many years respecting. If they wind up chilled by the sight of President Hillary Clinton attacking the foundations of their beliefs and their nation, I wonder if they will be sufficiently warmed by the embers of their torched reputations.

If that dark day of the third Obama term dawns, those of us who gave the last full measure to prevent it will have the satisfaction of having done the right thing. I do not wish this, but there will be poetic justice as some of the smart kids look around and wish they had focused on our nation and not their Trumpophobic fantasies.

...there are only two kinds of conservatives now. Those who will rise up to save us from her, and those willing to see us fall.

[Fishrrman]

240b wrote:
"From where I sit, the #NeverTrump movement is opening the gates of Hell down on their own heads.
From my perspective, if Trump loses and Hillary wins, it is the #NeverTrump followers who are going to bear the unpropitious rewards of their own hubris.
My head will be bloodied as well as theirs, but mine unbowed."

Excellent post, 240b. As good as it gets.

You're one of the posters here that still I read with respect!

Most of the others... not so much any more.... (sigh)

[endicom]

huh

I don't remember a President Goldwater.

Eligibility, Fred, eligibility.

[Smokin Joe]

Well, yeah... that's the problem with the idiotic "only two kinds" argument.  In practice, it really just boils down to "the geniuses who agree with me, and the morons who don't."

At least that sort of thing helps me to recognize which pundits are worth ignoring....

Yep. I never have been a fan of false dichotomies.

The only sad part is that they didn't say "There are only two kinds of REPUBLICAN".

Because one of their 'kinds' will soil the term 'conservative' to where Ajax and Chlorox just won't get it out.

But it's kinda fun watching them trying to herd everyone back onto the GOP Plantation.

[Smokin Joe]

Fine article.

Salient excerpts:
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...there are only two kinds of conservatives now. Those who will rise up to save us from her, and those willing to see us fall.

Those who will abandon their principles, and those who will stand back, vote for a Conservative, and let y'all reap the whirlwind.

Trumpophobic? 
A new record!

[bigheadfred]

Eligibility, Fred, eligibility.

Sorry. I got stuck on fit, proper, worthy.