Author Topic: The 2016 Ohio Sellout (Portman blows, with the wind) (Read 4412 times)

endicom · « **on:** October 12, 2016, 01:13:06 pm »

American Thinker
Peter Skurkiss
Oct. 12, 2016

Excerpts:

The two changes Portman made that have played a major role in his resurrection were: 1) coming out against Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP); and 2) endorsing Donald Trump. Portman is the an establishment Republican to the marrow of his bones. Both of these campaign adjustments cut against the man's natural grain. Let's see how.

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Ah, but now the screw has turned. With Election Day fast approaching and with Portman safely up by double digits, his natural inclination surfaces. Portman has rescinded his endorsement of Trump, using the pretext of the 2005 video showing Trump making crude comments about women. In doing so, Portman has become yet another Republican enabler of Hillary Clinton and the Democrat agenda.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/10/the_2016_ohio_sellout.html

These are the times that try men's souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.

sinkspur · « **Reply #1 on:** October 12, 2016, 01:17:51 pm »

The stench of defeat is permeating Trumpkin media.

Night Hides Not · « **Reply #2 on:** October 12, 2016, 01:36:51 pm »

A bit off-topic, but the GOP needs to be thoroughly repudiated, to the point that Congress return to Democrat control.

McConnell asked us in 2014 to give him one more chance, and he thoroughly reneged on his promises. Ryan thinks he's John Galt, but he's actually Wesley Mouch. The Texas congressional delegation has little or no integrity left, and is a subsidiary of the Cheap Labor crowd found at K Street and the Chamber of Crony Capitalism.

Everyone in the GOP leadership must resign. It was through their actions that Trump was able to thrive, if only because they disliked Ted Cruz (and conservatives) more. Priebus should resign for an utter lack of leadership, which included acquiescing to debate moderators who are full fledged members of the Democrat Party, as borne out by the latest WikiLeaks revelations.

The GOP has done everything they could to disregard their base, and they must pay for it.

I take some comfort from the following quote of Alexander Hamilton:

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“If we must have an enemy at the head of government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible.”

Was he speaking of Hillary, or Trump?

Maj. Bill Martin · « **Reply #3 on:** October 12, 2016, 01:38:44 pm »

I don't think the video should be enough to swing votes, but it is unfair to criticize other politicians who are fighting for their seats for distancing themselves from it.

The impact of that video is Trump's fault, and his alone. He clearly knew he had done some things that would not play well if he ran for office, but ran nevertheless, apparently hoping they'd either never come out or his popularity would be too much. He miscalculated.

Jazzhead · « **Reply #4 on:** October 12, 2016, 01:41:56 pm »

Quote from: endicom on October 12, 2016, 01:13:06 pm

These are the times that try men's souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.

The defeat of fascism is a patriotic act.

endicom · « **Reply #5 on:** October 12, 2016, 01:45:30 pm »

Quote from: Night Hides Not on October 12, 2016, 01:36:51 pm

A bit off-topic, but the GOP needs to be thoroughly repudiated, to the point that Congress return to Democrat control.

You will never have a Grupo O' Perfecto so I'd much prefer a revamped GOP to an unopposed, socialist, Democratic rule.

endicom · « **Reply #6 on:** October 12, 2016, 01:47:25 pm »

Quote from: Jazzhead on October 12, 2016, 01:41:56 pm

The defeat of fascism is a patriotic act.

If only you had a hint of a clue of what you are saying.

endicom · « **Reply #7 on:** October 12, 2016, 01:48:42 pm »

Quote from: sinkspur on October 12, 2016, 01:17:51 pm

The stench of defeat is permeating Trumpkin media.

Lamenting the failure of your attempts at a forum of your own?

endicom · « **Reply #8 on:** October 12, 2016, 01:50:05 pm »

Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on October 12, 2016, 01:38:44 pm

I don't think the video should be enough to swing votes, but it is unfair to criticize other politicians who are fighting for their seats for distancing themselves from it.

But Portman is ahead by double digits.

sinkspur · « **Reply #9 on:** October 12, 2016, 01:54:24 pm »

Quote from: endicom on October 12, 2016, 01:48:42 pm

Lamenting the failure of your attempts at a forum of your own?

Lame.

Jazzhead · « **Reply #10 on:** October 12, 2016, 01:58:33 pm »

Quote from: endicom on October 12, 2016, 01:47:25 pm

If only you had a hint of a clue of what you are saying.

Such a good German you are. Study your history, it's the antidote to ignorance.

Night Hides Not · « **Reply #11 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:11:00 pm »

Quote from: endicom on October 12, 2016, 01:45:30 pm

You will never have a Grupo O' Perfecto so I'd much prefer a revamped GOP to an unopposed, socialist, Democratic rule.

My friend, you will not see a "revamped GOP" until the party has been thoroughly repudiated at the polls. No one in a leadership role lost their power in the aftermath of 2008, at least until Dave Brat ousted Eric Cantor. McConnell must go, Cornyn must go, Ryan must go, Priebus must go, McCarthy must go. A revamped GOP will have Ted Cruz and Dave Brat leading the way; otherwise, it's The Who singing the last verse of "Won't Get Fooled Again": "meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

It is the GOP leadership that is responsible for the rise of Trump. We remember McConnell, promising us in 2014 that business would be done differently in the Senate.

Longmire · « **Reply #12 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:19:26 pm »

Quote from: Jazzhead on October 12, 2016, 01:58:33 pm

Such a good German you are.

libertybele · « **Reply #13 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:22:40 pm »

It's not just Portman. What I find troublesome is during the primary debates one of the very first questions asked of all the candidates is would they support the eventual presidential nominee. This was a media focus and when Trump stated in essence he would if he was treated fairly; that put the media into a frenzy and was the focus for days. If I recall it was also the focus of Congress and later Trump met with Ryan and McConnell before he was even the nominee (which I felt spoke volumes). Ryan later stated that he would support Trump, McConnell said he could work with him.

So here we sit...Cruz was chastised relentlessly for not endorsing him and telling people to vote down ballot and now others who are jumping ship, including Ryan are given a free pass!

With all of Trump's bombastic statements in the past they are now jumping ship just weeks before the election. IMHO The intent all along of the GOPe was and is to give Hillary the White House.

Night Hides Not · « **Reply #14 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:30:26 pm »

Quote from: libertybele on October 12, 2016, 02:22:40 pm

It's not just Portman. What I find troublesome is during the primary debates one of the very first questions asked of all the candidates is would they support the eventual presidential nominee. This was a media focus and when Trump stated in essence he would if he was treated fairly; that put the media into a frenzy and was the focus for days. If I recall it was also the focus of Congress and later Trump met with Ryan and McConnell before he was even the nominee (which I felt spoke volumes). Ryan later stated that he would support Trump, McConnell said he could work with him.

So here we sit...Cruz was chastised relentlessly for not endorsing him and telling people to vote down ballot and now others who are jumping ship, including Ryan are given a free pass!

With all of Trump's bombastic statements in the past they are now jumping ship just weeks before the election. IMHO The intent all along of the GOPe was and is to give Hillary the White House.

You don't have to take any responsibility when you aren't in the majority. It's the GOPe way. Just look at my congressman, Kenny Marchant. He's in the back pocket of the Speaker, and is allowed to cast the "right" votes. That goes for most of the Texas delegation. Sam Houston is spinning in his grave.

endicom · « **Reply #15 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:33:28 pm »

Quote from: Jazzhead on October 12, 2016, 01:58:33 pm

Such a good German you are. Study your history, it's the antidote to ignorance.

Your history would have anyone not socialist as fascist. Just like Guthrie.

Jazzhead · « **Reply #16 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:34:06 pm »

Quote from: libertybele on October 12, 2016, 02:22:40 pm

IMHO The intent all along of the GOPe was and is to give Hillary the White House.

Come on, that's silly. The "GOPe" is a myth, and those tagged with the name are certainly no monolith; we who oppose Trump are conservatives of all varieties (so too, are those who are holding their noses to vote for him).

This is an election between Too Corrupt and Too Crazy. We all have to decide for ourselves which is worse. There's no conspiracy here - just honest differences of opinion as which orifice we choose to be screwed in.

Maj. Bill Martin · « **Reply #17 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:35:36 pm »

Quote from: libertybele on October 12, 2016, 02:22:40 pm

It's not just Portman. What I find troublesome is during the primary debates one of the very first questions asked of all the candidates is would they support the eventual presidential nominee. This was a media focus and when Trump stated in essence he would if he was treated fairly; that put the media into a frenzy and was the focus for days. If I recall it was also the focus of Congress and later Trump met with Ryan and McConnell before he was even the nominee (which I felt spoke volumes). Ryan later stated that he would support Trump, McConnell said he could work with him.

So here we sit...Cruz was chastised relentlessly for not endorsing him and telling people to vote down ballot and now others who are jumping ship, including Ryan are given a free pass!

With all of Trump's bombastic statements in the past they are now jumping ship just weeks before the election. IMHO The intent all along of the GOPe was and is to give Hillary the White House.

I'm someone who is voting for Trump, but I don't think it is fair to hold someone to that kind of promise when the subject of the promise engages in activity that no reasonable person would have contemplated at the time the promise was made.

If a friend asks "Do you promise not to tell anyone if I tell you a secret" , you agree, and then they tell you "I molested my niece", should you honor that "promise"? I think the common understanding of the "support the candidate" promise was based on the stated positions of those candidates at the time, and was really more of a "do you promise not to run third party just because someone else wins the nomination?"

But I do think that one effect of Trump's candidacy will be that the "do you promise to support the nominee" type of question probably will no longer be asked.

Jazzhead · « **Reply #18 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:36:03 pm »

Quote from: endicom on October 12, 2016, 02:33:28 pm

Your history would have anyone not socialist as fascist. Just like Guthrie.

What history, pray tell?

endicom · « **Reply #19 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:37:15 pm »

Quote from: Night Hides Not on October 12, 2016, 02:11:00 pm

My friend, you will not see a "revamped GOP"...

Perhaps not but I'm not willing to hand the nation to the Maduro Party while pining for Party Perfect.

Maj. Bill Martin · « **Reply #20 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:41:38 pm »

Quote from: endicom on October 12, 2016, 02:37:15 pm

Perhaps not but I'm not willing to hand the nation to the Maduro Party while pining for Party Perfect.

Excellent point.

Night Hides Not · « **Reply #21 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:42:50 pm »

Quote from: Maj. Bill Martin on October 12, 2016, 02:35:36 pm

I'm someone who is voting for Trump, but I don't think it is fair to hold someone to that kind of promise when the subject of the promise engages in activity that no reasonable person would have contemplated at the time the promise was made.

If a friend asks "Do you promise not to tell anyone if I tell you a secret" , you agree, and then they tell you "I molested my niece", should you honor that "promise"? I think the common understanding of the "support the candidate" promise was based on the stated positions of those candidates at the time, and was really more of a "do you promise not to run third party just because someone else wins the nomination?"

But I do think that one effect of Trump's candidacy will be that the "do you promise to support the nominee" type of question probably will no longer be asked.

It will take a long time before Ryan, or any of the other members of GOP leadership, can utter "we need to pull together". I'm a NeverTrumper, but the way these people are running from Trump less than a month from election, smacks of cowardice and expediency. These "leaders" are as responsible for the rise of Trump as anyone in this sordid turn of events.

BTW, I respect your for consistently supporting Trump, warts and all. Originally, he was my #2 after Cruz. His shifting positions and immaturity were simply too much for me.

r9etb · « **Reply #22 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:42:56 pm »

Quote from: Night Hides Not on October 12, 2016, 02:11:00 pm

My friend, you will not see a "revamped GOP" until the party has been thoroughly repudiated at the polls.

I think the GOP is collapsing even now, to be replaced by a different party -- much as the GOP itself replaced the Whigs.

Oh, the new party might possibly have the same name, but the current party has shown itself to be utterly hollow. At a national level, the Trump candidacy has shown that there's basically nothing in the party worth defending. "Standing up to the Democrats" is all very well, but it's not much of a platform.

At a guess, I'd predict that the new party will probably be closer to "Center Right" than conservative, because it would also attract those who are nominally Democrats; but at the same time it would probably produce candidates who are at least qualified, and possibly even very good, whose platforms (we could hope) play to common sense.

endicom · « **Reply #23 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:44:42 pm »

Quote from: Jazzhead on October 12, 2016, 02:36:03 pm

What history, pray tell?

You made the issue so you go first. In your estimation:

Is Trump fascist?

Is Cruz fascist?

Is Hillary fascist?

Was Reagan fascist?

Is Farage fascist?

Is Wilders fascist?

Night Hides Not · « **Reply #24 on:** October 12, 2016, 02:46:11 pm »

Quote from: endicom on October 12, 2016, 02:37:15 pm

Perhaps not but I'm not willing to hand the nation to the Maduro Party while pining for Party Perfect.

Who's pining for "Party Perfect?" This is precisely the kind of response that is laden with intellectual laziness.

I'm not willing to hand the nation to a man who should not be allowed within the same zip code of the nuclear football.