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Sir,  you are a voice of sanity.   You understand priorities.   You recognize that foul language spoken years ago and a possible nuclear war with Russia are not issues of equal concern.
First off, cozying up to a potential threat, such as the way Trump flatters Putin, is seldom an effective deterrent. Second, we're talking about more than foul language here. This is a man openly admitting abusing his own influence to behave in a way that would otherwise be criminal. I don't think any of us here want to have someone who abuses the office of the Presidency, do we?

Yes,  Hillary Clinton will not only rule as a dictator,   she will appoint Judges who will force more liberalism down our throats for the rest of their lives.    The problems created by a Hillary Presidency will out live her by decades.
It's nothing that Obama hasn't already done yet. There is nothing she can do that he has not. You cannot scare any of us. We lived through Obama. We lived through the destruction of marriage. We lived through the fundamental transformation. Yet we have survived, and we will not settle for being forced to accept the unacceptable for fear of what we have already experienced.

We will turn this around, and we'll do it the right way, at the right time. Apparently, without a third-party miracle, that time is not yet now.
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Yes, Trump might not do as much damage as Hillary. The problem is we will have elected a moral cretin. That says a lot about the ethics of a party to place such a character-challenged sex fiend in the White House. The days of Republicans trying to hold a moral high ground are gone forever.
We can try to rationalize a Trump presidency as staving off outright socialism for four or more years, but the fact is we will have helped stain the office with this crud. We will have effectively said the end justifies the means...character doesn't matter.  That will not and should not be forgotten.


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“There is nobody who holds any position of responsibility who in private conversations views Donald Trump as equipped mentally, morally and intellectually to be the president of the United States,”

This is a reality and would put trump as totally unelectable if it were not for those who put partisanship above country.

Yeah, but wasn't this the same guy who while working for McCain undercut Palin at every turn?

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I'll have to disagree on that. 

While she's vengeful, arrogant, and condescending, she doesn't have the political capital to get away with much.  She's an unpleasant harridan, widely disliked and distrusted, and the only reason she's in a position to win is because her opponent is a truly awful person.  I can't see her getting the sort of protection that Obama gets.

Besides which, I think she's unhealthy and unlikely to make it through her term.  The next president (likely Clinton) is going to face a blizzard of crises of a type not seen since the late '30s, that are demonstrably of her own making -- and she'll be physically unable to manage it.

Just to add to your points, odds are we will be in a recession before 2020. hillary doesn't have the vision, or the ability, to promote policies that will help us recover quickly and create a growing economy. Maybe the Pub voters will wake up and give us a real conservative in 2020.
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That's the truth.

It's hard to believe that anyone whose enemy is "RINO's" is an advocate of the worst possible RINO in existence.

I wonder if they realize how illogical they are....
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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3 months after the election trump's morals that he exhibited in not only 2005 but through his entire lifetime including the past 12 months would indeed be utterly relevant. His only concern is and has always been for himself.

So far, so good. And concurrent to that, I wonder (along with a good many people, some of whom have published
their wonderings) where the hell the opposition researchers among the Republican primary candidates were,
that they couldn't unearth the P@ssy Tape during the heat of the primary when the field was still quite crowded.
Bad enough: the Republican primary pack was the epitome of witlessness. Worse: They couldn't even be said to have
dropped the balls when they had no balls to drop in the first place.

Add to that the complete lack of intellectual abilities and no desire to bother himself with the complexities that come with the issues facing our country topped off with absolutely no moral compass and serious psychological problems including narcissism, issues with being a sexual predatory and his view that as president he would govern with presidential edicts as our king and then I would argue that yes he would do much more long-term harm to the country than anyone else.

The best book I have read thus far that argues against the inclination to consider a president akin to a king is F.H.
Buckley's The Once and Future King. The saddest postscript to reading that book? The author himself recently
came out in support of Donaldus Minimus---the boy who would be king.

I have never bought into the Supreme Court appointments argument because trump has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that his word is not to be believed and there is no doubt in my mind that he could care less about Christian values. He cares about what will get him elected.

I concur about Donaldus Minimus's word. But I'm not concerned with appointing Supreme Court justices who will
uphold "values"; I'm concerned with appointing Supreme Court justices who will construe the Constitution reasonably.

With a Democratic presidential candidate to whom the Constitution is just so flexible as to be Silly Putty, and a
Republican presidential candidate who probably thinks the Constitution is some ancient decommissioned battleship
on display somewhere like a museum piece, there are two chances we'll see Supreme Court nominees who will
construe the Constitution reasonably---slim and none.

Hillary as president is not something I desire and is also something I fear. I thank the original cheerleaders of trump for the position we are in. I will be voting third party. But, again, trump would no doubt do greater long term harm to our country. Finally, when people go into a booth and vote, if they pull the lever or fill in the screen choosing trump they are choosing to support a man who is evil and capable of anything to further himself along with satisfying his own personal perversions. trumpism is a stain upon our country and trumpism deals with opponents as something to be destroyed by any and all means. That is a grave danger for our country.

Between Trumpism and Clintonism, the deeper this campaign goes to Election Day the deeper becomes my conviction
that voting "None of These Candidates," the Nevada option since my state lacks a write-in vote, is the only vote a
reasonable man or woman can cast without wanting to puke.
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So far, so good. And concurrent to that, I wonder (along with a good many people, some of whom have published
their wonderings) where the hell the opposition researchers among the Republican primary candidates were,
that they couldn't unearth the P@ssy Tape during the heat of the primary when the field was still quite crowded.


I think they all knew.

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Apparently they are terrified enough not to indict her.    They talk of "revolt"  in the ranks,   yet still we hear of no agents resigning in disgust.   


I guess bills must be paid.

Might have something to do with the liberals 3/4 of America voted for not having their back. You know... People like Bhoner and Mitch and Romney...and Trump supporters. Can't trust'em. They proved winning with anything is whats important, not their country. Charlie Sheen would be proud of y'all.

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I think they all knew.

If those candidates' opps researchers knew and didn't deliver it then, they were either fools
or malfeasants. (I mean, if the Democrats had had that at that time do you think they'd
have hesitated to let it come forth?)


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So far, so good. And concurrent to that, I wonder (along with a good many people, some of whom have published
their wonderings) where the hell the opposition researchers among the Republican primary candidates were,
that they couldn't unearth the P@ssy Tape during the heat of the primary when the field was still quite crowded.
Bad enough: the Republican primary pack was the epitome of witlessness. Worse: They couldn't even be said to have
dropped the balls when they had no balls to drop in the first place.

We knew Trump was a lying sleaze. We knew all this would be unloaded after he was nominated and just before the election and said so many times. It is only news to the low information voter who doesn't pay attention until they have to actually vote for president. The people who put this buffoon on the GOP ticket have no excuse for it. None.

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If those candidates' opps researchers knew and didn't deliver it then, they were either fools
or malfeasants. (I mean, if the Democrats had had that at that time do you think they'd
have hesitated to let it come forth?)

I think that is because most of the Republican candidates don't want to dive into the mud, think it is sleazy, and don't think it is "issue" related. Essentially only Trump dives into the mud and creates his own mud to sling on the Republican side. Trump even bad talked other Republican candidates wives. The others didn't even afterwards. It is only October 10th. Stay tuned, more to come... It will only get worse...

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I think that is because most of the Republican candidates don't want to dive into the mud, think it is sleazy, and don't think it is "issue" related. Essentially only Trump dives into the mud and creates his own mud to sling on the Republican side. Trump even bad talked other Republican candidates wives.

No decent person likes to get dive into the mud. But when you're up against a manchild to whom the mud puddle is manna
and to whom throwing mud is sport, it becomes enough of an issue that even the least enthusiastic mud diver takes
the plunge just to rid the pack of the true mudder. And they saw early enough and often enough how shameless Donaldus
Minimus was about playing in the mud.

It is only October 10th. Stay tuned, more to come... It will only get worse...

That's what I was afraid of.  :shrug:


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We knew Trump was a lying sleaze. We knew all this would be unloaded after he was nominated and just before the election and said so many times. It is only news to the low information voter who doesn't pay attention until they have to actually vote for president. The people who put this buffoon on the GOP ticket have no excuse for it. None.

You could repeat what you said, substitute the name of Hilarious Rodent Clinton in the first sentence, and substitute the Democratic
Party in the last sentence, and lament with equal pain what the American people---those who cast their primary votes, anyway---have
no excuse for having done.

I think back to Edward R. Murrow observing in the 1950s that, as a nation, we had come into our full inheritance at a tender age.
(Actually, he first said those words in 1949, ending a splending series of spoken-word-with-radio-recordings histories of 1919-
1949 called I Can Hear It Now, but let's not get technical.) He died in 1965, unaware that this nation's full inheritance at
a tender age would include devolving from George Washington vs. John Adams in 1789 to Donaldus Minimus versus Hilarious
Rodent Clinton in 2016. My fear is that we may never again see a presidential contest between candidates with even half the
character or the intelligence of Washington and Adams.


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My fear is that we may never again see a presidential contest between candidates with even half the
character or the intelligence of Washington and Adams.

Well, it's at least possible that the fallout from the cascade of crises that will face the next president will lead voters to make rational assessments of the candidates next time around.

Or, it will lead to a strongman -- a Donald Trump type, except with focus and discipline.

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I'll have to disagree on that. 

While she's vengeful, arrogant, and condescending, she doesn't have the political capital to get away with much.  She's an unpleasant harridan, widely disliked and distrusted, and the only reason she's in a position to win is because her opponent is a truly awful person.  I can't see her getting the sort of protection that Obama gets.


You think the press won't protect her?  Is that what you are saying?   She will get away with as much as Obama gets away,  and so far that includes using the IRS to attack conservative groups,  ignoring immigration laws or any other law he didn't like,  bribing and threatening people,  and issuing hundreds of "executive orders". 


Hillary will ratchet it up a notch,  and she will of course get away with it because we don't seem to have a pair of balls in the whole party anymore.   The press will simply cover for her as they always cover for Democrats.   


The woman OUGHT to be in jail and would be were it not for the fact the Press has been covering for her. 


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Well, it's at least possible that the fallout from the cascade of crises that will face the next president will lead voters to make rational assessments of the candidates next time around.

That assumed quite a lot, considering the rational assessments voters made in the fallouts from His Excellency
Al-Hashish Field Marshmallow Dr. Barack Obama Dada, COD, RIP, LSMFT, Would-Have-Been Life President of
the Republic Formerly Known as the United States . . . ;)

Or, it will lead to a strongman -- a Donald Trump type, except with focus and discipline.

Either way, we'll likely be left with a government that won't do the right thing and just leave us the hell alone.


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You think the press won't protect her?  Is that what you are saying? 

Yes. 

And please leave your silly bluster at the door.

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First off, cozying up to a potential threat, such as the way Trump flatters Putin, is seldom an effective deterrent.


The issue isn't "cozying up"  to somebody,  it's one of not F***ing with people when no American interest is at stake.   Why the H3ll are we messing around in Syria?   What national interest is at stake in Syria?  Even the Israelis are cooperating with the Russians.   

Russia has a very valid national security interest in Syria,   we do not.   Picking a fight with them over Syria is just stupid. 





Second, we're talking about more than foul language here. This is a man openly admitting abusing his own influence to behave in a way that would otherwise be criminal. I don't think any of us here want to have someone who abuses the office of the Presidency, do we?


I see no evidence of any criminal behavior.  Even if there were,  could it possibly compare to the criminal behavior Hillary has engaged in all her life?    Her political career started with forging documents and lying to a Federal judge in order to deprive Nixon of his legal rights to counsel.   Since then it has gone to bribery,  influence peddling,  extortion,  destruction of evidence and abuse of federal agencies for political reasons.   

I haven't even gotten in to the possible murders in which the Clintons are allegedly involved.   I can tell you that her two brothers are also facing corruption charges for their business dealings.   







 It's nothing that Obama hasn't already done yet. There is nothing she can do that he has not.


You are naive.   The power of the super state simply continues to grow.   When she gets control of the Justice Department,  no criminal behavior on the part of her cronies will be prosecuted.  She will,  of course,  turn it's powers against any conservative group,  and after having already gelded the FBI,  who's going to stop her from investigating and prosecuting anyone she wishes? 


You do know that when she was first lady she "acquired"  FBI files on her Republican enemies?   Have you never heard of "File Gate"?     Do you have any idea what this behavior represents in both moral terms and threat terms?   







You cannot scare any of us. We lived through Obama. We lived through the destruction of marriage. We lived through the fundamental transformation. Yet we have survived, and we will not settle for being forced to accept the unacceptable for fear of what we have already experienced.


That you survived a series of attacks does not necessarily mean you will survive a further series of attacks.   




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That assumed quite a lot, considering the rational assessments voters made in the fallouts from His Excellency
Al-Hashish Field Marshmallow Dr. Barack Obama Dada, COD, RIP, LSMFT, Would-Have-Been Life President of
the Republic Formerly Known as the United States . . . ;

In a way.  I believe that many perceive our society to be cost-free, and consequence-free, including the way in which we select a president.  Thus we can elect a feel-good candidate of no accomplishments, primarily because he's a black man. 

Obama (and those who enable and protect him) have brought us to the brink of several crises, the result of which will be significant costs.

I don't believe normal Americans have yet reached the point of utter helplessness; when push comes to shove, we still know how to count costs, and (to an extent) to deal with them.  When confronted with costs such as war and chaos, the people will either honor grownups, or they'll honor strongmen.

In that light, grownups are still a possible choice.
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You certainly picked the right guy for your avatar.

The Trumpsters' goal has been to destroy the Republican party.

Whole cloth.

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(It can't be to defeat Hillary Clinton; if that was the case, you wouldn't have gotten a hard one for the one candidate who poll after poll said could be defeated by Clinton.  Congrats, you've gotten your wish.)

Alinsky, take a bow.

I have said more than once that I have disliked Trump for decades. Others have said similar. Yet you persist in vulgar fabrication of motive.

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And now you want me to exhibit "loyalty" to you and your fool?

More whole cloth. I've asked nothing of you.

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Well, I'm not your cuckold

You're not my anything.

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heck,  I and folks like me are your worst enemy.

No, my enemies have been worth worrying about.

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Conservatism is for us an exercise in political principle in the service of, yes, virtue.

Yes, your virtue is there to see.

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To the Trumpsters, it's just another variety of political whoredom.

Your virtue astounds.

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I'm voting to defeat Trump in order to save the good name of conservatism.   That's why Trump is worse than Hillary - he sees no difference between us and the Dems' brand of amorality.     

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Yes. 




Trusting the press to investigate and expose Democrat abuses is a foolish idea.   By what possible interplay of thought can you come to the conclusion that we can trust the press to protect us from Hillary?   



And please leave your silly bluster at the door.



Really?  I got the impression that bluster was the most widely used methodology on this particular board.   
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The issue isn't "cozying up"  to somebody,  it's one of not F***ing with people when no American interest is at stake.   Why the H3ll are we messing around in Syria?   What national interest is at stake in Syria?  Even the Israelis are cooperating with the Russians.   

Russia has a very valid national security interest in Syria,   we do not.   Picking a fight with them over Syria is just stupid. 

I see no evidence of any criminal behavior.  Even if there were,  could it possibly compare to the criminal behavior Hillary has engaged in all her life?    Her political career started with forging documents and lying to a Federal judge in order to deprive Nixon of his legal rights to counsel.   Since then it has gone to bribery,  influence peddling,  extortion,  destruction of evidence and abuse of federal agencies for political reasons.   

I haven't even gotten in to the possible murders in which the Clintons are allegedly involved.   I can tell you that her two brothers are also facing corruption charges for their business dealings.   

You are naive.   The power of the super state simply continues to grow.   When she gets control of the Justice Department,  no criminal behavior on the part of her cronies will be prosecuted.  She will,  of course,  turn it's powers against any conservative group,  and after having already gelded the FBI,  who's going to stop her from investigating and prosecuting anyone she wishes? 

You do know that when she was first lady she "acquired"  FBI files on her Republican enemies?   Have you never heard of "File Gate"?     Do you have any idea what this behavior represents in both moral terms and threat terms?

That you survived a series of attacks does not necessarily mean you will survive a further series of attacks.

Russia has a very valid national security interest in Syria

Which are?

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Russia has a very valid national security interest in Syria

Which are?

A permanent naval presence in the Mediterranean, and hegemonic power in the Middle East.  Just to name a couple.

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Really?  I got the impression that bluster was the most widely used methodology on this particular board.   

For some, perhaps.  It's nothing to be proud of.

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A permanent naval presence in the Mediterranean, and hegemonic power in the Middle East.  Just to name a couple.

Aaaaand we want Russia to have hegemonic power over the Middle East, why?