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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #150 on: October 07, 2016, 05:06:48 am »
Quote from: INVAR on October 07, 2016, 05:03:59 am
Well said, I fully concur and WELCOME to TBR!

Myself also and welcome!
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #151 on: October 07, 2016, 07:59:03 am »
Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.  Render unto God what is God's.
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #152 on: October 07, 2016, 09:12:23 am »
Quote from: American Faith Today on October 07, 2016, 04:22:43 am
I won't vote for a wolf in sheep's clothing for no other reason than "he's the Republican nominee" and "because Hillary."

Brilliant post... And welcome!

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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #153 on: October 07, 2016, 09:34:48 am »
Quote from: CatherineofAragon on October 07, 2016, 12:28:27 am
@jpsb, why is it a problem to post using a minimum standard of decency? 

Good luck at TOS.  Next time you deviate from the groupthink,  you'll get booted again.

One last post to say bye to you @CatherineofAragon. While we don't always agree I did enjoy our exchanges at TOS.

The censorship here is just as bad as at Free Republic. And the group think here is even worse. So I will not be posting here or much there any longer.

I miss the old days of Usenet News. Snow Flakes did not last long on the political threads back then. LOL, no ever got banned on Usenet News and no ever got "this is your last warning" for expressed an opinion shared by tens of millions (if not hundreds) of Americans. An opinion that is also the point of the article this very threat is based on.

I like to use plain simple language that everyone can understand. I pride myself in saying in a few short paragraphs what it takes others a wall of text to say. Some people don't like my debating style, oh well, life is not always a bowl of cherries. I try not to personally insult anyone, but sometimes you just have to tell an idiot that they are an idiot and accept the consequences. Sometimes you get a punch in the nose sometimes you get barred/banned but at least you stood up for yourself.

Anyway best of luck to you.
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #154 on: October 07, 2016, 10:45:53 am »
Quote from: jpsb on October 07, 2016, 09:34:48 am
One last post to say bye to you @CatherineofAragon. While we don't always agree I did enjoy our exchanges at TOS.

The censorship here is just as bad as at Free Republic. And the group think here is even worse. So I will not be posting here or much there any longer.

I miss the old days of Usenet News. Snow Flakes did not last long on the political threads back then. LOL, no ever got banned on Usenet News and no ever got "this is your last warning" for expressed an opinion shared by tens of millions (if not hundreds) of Americans. An opinion that is also the point of the article this very threat is based on.

I like to use plain simple language that everyone can understand. I pride myself in saying in a few short paragraphs what it takes others a wall of text to say. Some people don't like my debating style, oh well, life is not always a bowl of cherries. I try not to personally insult anyone, but sometimes you just have to tell an idiot that they are an idiot and except the consequences. Sometimes you get a punch in the nose sometimes you get barred/banned but at least you stood up for yourself.

Anyway best of luck to you.

Calling us Hillary supporters isn't "debating" anything. It is factually wrong and not particularly very bright thing to say and I know you are a bright person. So something else is afield with you.

I detest both party candidates and will not vote for either. They are both poisonous. Just look at their fruit among us here.

The primary difference between us is you put some faith in Trumps words where I put none. I can't think of one important issue over time that Trump hasn't been on both sides of.
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #155 on: October 07, 2016, 10:51:00 am »
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #156 on: October 07, 2016, 10:52:52 am »
Quote from: jpsb on October 07, 2016, 09:34:48 am
One last post to say bye to you @CatherineofAragon. While we don't always agree I did enjoy our exchanges at TOS.

The censorship here is just as bad as at Free Republic. And the group think here is even worse. So I will not be posting here or much there any longer.

There is no real censorship here.
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #157 on: October 07, 2016, 10:55:47 am »
Quote from: geronl on October 07, 2016, 10:52:52 am
There is no real censorship here.

I do approve of jpsb's self-censorship.   :beer:
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #158 on: October 07, 2016, 10:58:45 am »
Vote for Trump or go to Hell?

That's been the tone of his cult all along.
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #159 on: October 07, 2016, 11:00:16 am »
Quote from: jpsb on October 07, 2016, 09:34:48 am
Anyway best of luck to you.

One other thing. Your anger at other conservatives is misplaced. The fact that either candidate is so close to taking the White House is a testament to how sick our country's soul has become. You are fighting about who will take the wheel of the Titanic after it hit the iceberg. Clearly the voters didn't want to change course when it mattered. So now we're going to take a hugely destructive ride no matter who's at the wheel and it is simply about survival at this point.
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #160 on: October 07, 2016, 11:35:27 am »
Quote from: Fishrrman on October 07, 2016, 03:13:36 am
Mr. Marcus makes his case:
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As Christians, we know we live in a fallen sinful world. Therefore, nothing and no one is perfect. Sometimes voting for the lesser evil is the moral and upright thing to do.

I take it that Mr. Marcus doesn't read the Bible.
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #161 on: October 07, 2016, 01:51:36 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on October 07, 2016, 11:35:27 am
I take it that Mr. Marcus doesn't read the Bible.

I can help him out.  And if anyone lacks wisdom let him ask.  No it doesn't say do not vote for Trump but here is some scriptures about the lesser of evils.  I think the application applies.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/lesser_of_two_evils
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #162 on: October 07, 2016, 03:22:15 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on October 07, 2016, 12:19:03 am
Fine I will no longer post here, delete my account, if you bash Trump 24/7 like just about every one here you are pro-Hillary. bye. Enjoy president Hillary.
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Come on @jpsb We don't want you to leave, but if you aren't already gone consider this: A lot of us can't support Trump because we think he is pro Hillary. That would make his supporters pro Hillary, but I respect you enough not to think that you would do such a thing on purpose. We must each do as we think is right. I reckon it's a matter of both wanting most of the same things for America and seeing radically different ways to achieve them from here. It's a matter of mutual respect. If you are honestly unable to show the patriots here respect not to accuse them of supporting the most corrupt  candidate in history maybe you should take a break. November is not far away, and win lose or draw their will be plenty of other things to talk about. Just my dos centavos.
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #163 on: October 07, 2016, 03:26:26 pm »
Quote from: American Faith Today on October 07, 2016, 04:22:43 am
While he is quite correct about Hillary, it's about discerning one's fruits, as we are also commanded to do.
It's easy to say, "Well Hillary's record of corruption and evil doings are much worse than Donald Trump's."  And the thing is, they may well be.

But then, I would argue we simply know more about Hillary's actions because she's been on a larger stage and under a bigger spotlight actually being in government in some capacity for 30 or so years.

Up until last year almost no one in America regarded Donald Trump as anything more than a blowhard billionaire with bad hair, bad manners, and an affinity for reality television and WWE wrestling.  So whatever "bad" Donald Trump has done, no one really cared with the exception of people who were victims of his.

And I'm sorry, but having political power even trumps(small pun intended for small hands) being a billionaire.
Donald can cheat on his taxes(hypothetically) and crush another business through less than ethical means.
Someone with political power, like a president, or governor, or wife of one, can send the IRS after someone or create regulations or have a hand in new laws that destroy businesses by levying steep fines or even imprisonment on the people who run them.
And yes, it's probably quite a bit easier for a politically connected or a person with political clout to get away with murder(perhaps literally) than it is even for a billionaire in this country.

The bottom line is almost everything Donald Trump does and says reeks of incompetence, stupidity, sleaze, and dishonesty.
He lied about being pro life.
He lied to Chris Cuomo about being audited for his taxes because he's a "strong Christian" when almost anyone can objectively tell that's not the case.
He's all over the map on abortion and Planned Parenthood.
He's willing to appease the transgenders on the "pick your bathroom" issue, even inviting "Caitlyn" Jenner to use the women's room at Trump Tower.
He pretty much sided against Kim Davis in Kentucky.
Again, he lies, and lies, and lies.
If Donald Trump is standing before me and says the sky is blue, I might be tempted to double check.
People can vote for the lesser of two evils if they wish.  But as I personally have said, when I believe both people are literally evil, that's a deal breaker for me, and I line I will not cross.
Hillary's fruits are rotten.  But Donald's fruits are equally rotten in their own way.  I won't vote for a wolf in sheep's clothing for no other reason than "he's the Republican nominee" and "because Hillary."
Right on.

Also, good to see you and welcome.  :seeya: :beer:
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #164 on: October 07, 2016, 04:21:55 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on October 07, 2016, 09:34:48 am
The censorship here is just as bad as at Free Republic.

Oh really?  Did you or the other 7 Trump militants on this board find themselves banned because you dared to state your support for Trump?

Were you banned after repeatedly lying about the majority of this board being "Hillary Supporters" because we refuse to vote for your prince?

If this were "as bad" as TOS - you would have been tossed out on your ass after your second post to this board.

Stop being a big fat baby.

You're whining just like your prince.

Maybe your microphone is not working right.
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #165 on: October 07, 2016, 05:58:58 pm »
Quote from: geronl on October 07, 2016, 10:52:52 am
There is no real censorship here.

Of course there isn't!

Those who whine about censorship are just peeved that the majority of people here don't agree with their perspective.

If there truly were censorship, they wouldn't have the right to keep griping about the censorship.

I guess some of the TOS-type posters here don't really appreciate free speech.

And I guess that corresponds with Trump and his rabid supporters, who wants to squelch it so that he can be king.
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Character still matters.  It always matters.

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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #166 on: October 07, 2016, 06:17:30 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on October 06, 2016, 04:18:28 pm
Axiomatic to Islam is the imposition of Shara Law. Shara Law is incompatible with our constitutional system.  Why should we import people that wish to over turn our constitution and impose Shara Law? That is just crazy. Islam is not just a religion it is also a political/government system. Those that believe in Islam are commanded to spread Islam by any means possible, including murder. I am happy that at least one candidate understands the danger that is Islam.

@Chosen Daughter

In case you missed it, Pence says today:

"Trump no Longer Supports Muslim Ban, says Pence."

Link:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article106607747.html
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #167 on: October 07, 2016, 06:41:26 pm »
Quote from: GrouchoTex on October 07, 2016, 06:17:30 pm
In case you missed it, Pence says today:

"Trump no Longer Supports Muslim Ban, says Pence."

Link:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article106607747.html

"Donald Trump has changed course on another campaign plank, as vice presidential candidate Mike Pence said Trump no longer wants to ban Muslims from entering the country.

Pence, who opposed Trump’s proposed ban before being named Trump’s running mate, said Thursday “that’s not Donald Trump’s position now” when asked about the Muslim ban.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article106607747.html#storylink=cpy"
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #168 on: October 07, 2016, 06:45:04 pm »
Somehow I think this NeverTrumper is gonna be OK.  :seeya:
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #169 on: October 07, 2016, 06:45:53 pm »
Quote from: Norm Lenhart on October 07, 2016, 06:41:26 pm
"Donald Trump has changed course on another campaign plank, as vice presidential candidate Mike Pence said Trump no longer wants to ban Muslims from entering the country.

Pence, who opposed Trump’s proposed ban before being named Trump’s running mate, said Thursday “that’s not Donald Trump’s position now” when asked about the Muslim ban.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article106607747.html#storylink=cpy"

They won't care.

It doesn't matter if Trump decides to hop on board the wide-open borders crowd and abolish the 2nd Amendment for the good of the country - his militants will explain to us simpletons how important his flip-flop is for the country.

Because Trump is their god - and he is infallible.
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #170 on: October 07, 2016, 06:46:36 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on October 07, 2016, 06:45:53 pm
They won't care.

It doesn't matter if Trump decides to hop on board the wide-open borders crowd and abolish the 2nd Amendment for the good of the country - his militants will explain to us simpletons how important his flip-flop is for the country.

Because Trump is their god - and he is infallible.

Liberalism is a mental disorder.
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #171 on: October 07, 2016, 06:48:49 pm »
Quote from: RAT Patrol on October 07, 2016, 06:46:58 pm
That way he and his supporters can argue the issue both ways and be right.

Nothing new under the sun. Yesterday they were arguing 260 out of 1400+ voters was a majority.
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #172 on: October 07, 2016, 06:56:14 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on October 07, 2016, 06:45:53 pm
They won't care.

It doesn't matter if Trump decides to hop on board the wide-open borders crowd and abolish the 2nd Amendment for the good of the country - his militants will explain to us simpletons how important his flip-flop is for the country.

Because Trump is their god - and he is infallible.
It's three dimensional chess, with the third dimension being a black hole where Trump's campaign promises are sent to never be seen again. I have come to agree with the Trumpers insistence that Trump is not a politician, a politician is actually smart enough to wait until after they are elected to renege on their campaign promises. Trump is more like a chameleon, constantly changing it's appearance in an effort to blend in with it's current surroundings.
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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #173 on: October 07, 2016, 06:59:04 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on October 07, 2016, 06:45:53 pm
They won't care.

It doesn't matter if Trump decides to hop on board the wide-open borders crowd and abolish the 2nd Amendment for the good of the country - his militants will explain to us simpletons how important his flip-flop is for the country.

Because Trump is their god - and he is infallible.

It is frightening to observe how true your statements are.

They will follow him wherever he goes....   **nononono*
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Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: Woe unto Christian NeverTrumps
« Reply #174 on: October 07, 2016, 07:01:09 pm »
Quote from: musiclady on October 07, 2016, 06:59:04 pm
It is frightening to observe how true your statements are.

They will follow him wherever he goes....   **nononono*

It'll follow his supporters too. Especially after the first terrorist attack on America if God forbid, he gets elected. Because now they will carry that responsibility for putting him in office knowing it.
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