Michelle Obama: ‘We Need Someone Who’s Honest and Plays by the Rules’ as President

[Norm Lenhart]

Two observations, Norm, if I may.

1.  Trump supporters, the kind mostly found at TOS, are like the farmer that uses hydrochloric acid to clear out clogged drains. No matter how nicely you put it, they don't appear to get it, until the acid eats through the pipes. Most of us now here at TBR, are the folks who nicely tell the farmer not to look for a different alternative. Unfortunately, we're too late in the process now, and the pipes will be thoroughly destroyed on November 8th.

I don't see any differences in Trump supporters. Ultimately, does it MATTER that the FR brand are slobbering sycophants when the TBR brand does the exact same thing? Does it matter that the "Oh well I gotta vote for him cuz reasons" type doesn't go online and lie like John Lovitz when come election day, they are voting for the same idiot the militant is? Each type is doing EXACTLY the same level of damage to America empowering a liberal.

Ultimately, these are people that could care less about the truth, their country, or anything else. they want to win. They obviously don't care how batshit insane the guy they win with is. But at the same time they want to be called conservative for behaving like a DU voter and refuse to accept personal responsibility for their role in the situation.

These ARE the people that said "Burn it all down!" to get rid of the GOP until Trump made the GOP his friends. The fact he railed at every one of them for months is lost on his herd.

[LMAO]

@LMAO @Norm Lenhart

Why is it that you Trump bashers never respond with anything other then (incorrect) opinion?

With in the first week of Trump declaring his candidacy he pretty much stakes out the issues he was running on and has been remarkably consistent on those issues. Hardly someone that is "rattle[ing] off positions that someone else wrote".

Protectionism was a core conservative principle from 1776 until late in the 20th century when the hated neocons began taking over the GOP.

I get very tired of replies that boil down to "Trump Sucks" that are backed by zero documentation, zero citations and never a link to any kind of supporting evidence.

How about you #NeverTrumper tell me why you want to elect Hillary? And do not give me that "No we don't" crap. Only one candidate can prevent Hillary from being elected and we all know who that candidate is.

@jpsb

Whether you want to accept it or not, Trump has made it very clear he wants to spend more and grow the government. I mean, you can accept that fact if you want or not but his own words on many occasions has made that quite clear. I guess with his flip flops that could be one issue that I hope he does flip on should he win



You need to look past what you wish a candidate to be and who that candidate is. Too many of you guys are molding Trump into something he is not. No I don't believe he is the next Mussolini that's going to round all opposition up and put them in camps. But the fact is he does want more debt, deficits, and has no issue with government involvement in the economy, trade, and healthcare regardless of whether you want to believe it or not. That is the issue that keeps me from voting Trump. I don't care that he's not PC or a little boorish and bombastic.

You stated we have zero proof or citation to back our claims. Well, as per your request here's but one sample of many of Mr Trump, IN HIS OWN WORDS...
"Asked on Fox Business Network how much he'd spend, the Republican presidential nominee said, “Well, I would say at least double her numbers, and you're going to really need more than that. We have bridges that are falling down. I don't know if you've seen the warning charts, but we have many, many bridges that are in danger of falling.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-08-02/trump-says-he-ll-spend-more-than-half-trillion-dollars-on-infrastructure

Google is your friend. Maybe, perhaps, just maybe in the future it wouldn't hurt to research a candidate before you accuse others of lying, ok? There's more to any candidate than what they throw on their website during a primary were they need your vote and will tickle your ears. Most of what Trump has on his website can be easily countered with his own words many from not that long ago

And if I oppose something that comes from the policy papers of the DNC, I sure as hell not going to back it just because it comes from the RNC.

[Jazzhead]

One of them, Clinton or Trump, will be the next POTUS. Let's make sure it is not Clinton by voting for Trump.

I don't want to be forced to make a choice between ox dung and cow dung.   There are other choices available,  and I intend to vote for someone who is, well, "honest and plays by the rules".   

[jpsb]

@jpsb

Whether you want to accept it or not, Trump has made it very clear he wants to spend more and grow the government. I mean, you can accept that fact if you want or not but his own words on many occasions has made that quite clear. I guess with his flip flops that could be one issue that I hope he does flip on should he win



You need to look past what you wish a candidate to be and who that candidate is. Too many of you guys are molding Trump into something he is not. No I don't believe he is the next Mussolini that's going to round all opposition up and put them in camps. But the fact is he does want more debt, deficits, and has no issue with government involvement in the economy, trade, and healthcare regardless of whether you want to believe it or not. That is the issue that keeps me from voting Trump. I don't care that he's not PC or a little boorish and bombastic.

You stated we have zero proof or citation to back our claims. Well, as per your request here's but one sample of many of Mr Trump, IN HIS OWN WORDS...
"Asked on Fox Business Network how much he'd spend, the Republican presidential nominee said, “Well, I would say at least double her numbers, and you're going to really need more than that. We have bridges that are falling down. I don't know if you've seen the warning charts, but we have many, many bridges that are in danger of falling.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-08-02/trump-says-he-ll-spend-more-than-half-trillion-dollars-on-infrastructure

Google is your friend. Maybe, perhaps, just maybe in the future it wouldn't hurt to research a candidate before you accuse others of lying, ok? There's more to any candidate than what they throw on their website during a primary were they need your vote and will tickle your ears. Most of what Trump has on his website can be easily countered with his own words many from not that long ago

And if I oppose something that comes from the policy papers of the DNC, I sure as hell not going to back it just because it comes from the RNC.

Money spend on infrastructure is money well spent.

The House is suppose to be in control of spending not the President.

Every time I hear Trump talk he says that we have to get spending under control. I've heard that for years and the only one that actually tried to get spending under control was Newt when he was Speaker of the House. Guess who is a top level adviser to Trump? Newt.

"Too many of you guys are molding Trump into something he is not." Well maybe but I damn sure know who Hillary is. And I damn sure know what Hillary would do as POTUS and I'll take Trump at his worst over Hillary at her best any day. Everyone keeps bashing Trump and ignoring the fact that Hillary is an anti-American, pro Muslim, Marxist, Globalist, corrupt witch bought and paid for by crony capitalists (Fascists).  Trump has his faults but at least he is an American patriot.

There is nothing in this for Trump. He is a classical philanthropist, he's made his riches and now he is trying to payback the country that has been so good to him. He trying like hell to save the USA from globalist fascist oligarchy that with the election of Hillary will forever take control of the us.

Anyone not looking at this election in those terms has not been paying any attention to the last 30 years of "progressive policies" of both the Rs and the Ds.

I could not stand G.W. Bush I knew he was a phony conservative. W was a big spending, warmongering, liberal but I voted for him. Why? Al Gore and John Kerry that's why. Both were far worse then that empty suit Bush.

You want to get your man elected? Fight it out in the primaries, once the primaries are over the corrupt Marxist Rats must be stopped.

All the Trump bashers are doing is helping elect Hillary. They are helping to deliver the USA to a global fascist oligarchy. Already our elections in the inner cities have been corrupted to the point of being a joke. It is going to take a massive Republican turn out to counter all the illegal votes the Dems will put into the ballot box.

@LMAO

[INVAR]

Anyone not voting Trump is enabling Hillary and helping to destroy the USA as a constitutional republic.

This shiite again.  Fine.

You guys keep illustrating for us that YOU PEOPLE and your prince are MORE DANGEROUS to our liberty than by anything Hillary threatens us with.  Liberty for you - is 'Vote for Trump or else'!

So look - thug, we're not voting for Trump, so if that means we are enabling Hillary in your estimation and thus destroying the "Constitutional Republic" by the withholding of our support - SO BE IT.

What do you intend to do about it????

 I'm done arguing or attempting to reason with you people.  And if our refusal to vote the way you demand is deemed as 'destroying the republic' - I'll ask again, what do you intend to do about it??

I'll be waiting nonetheless if you imbeciles want to go and make that last mistake.

[XenaLee]

Re Merkel from your link
Asked by New England Cable News about a world leader he wanted to "emulate", here's what Trump said: “Well, I think Merkel is a really great world leader, but I was very disappointed ... with the whole thing on immigration. I think it’s a big problem. I was always a Merkel person. But I think she made a very tragic mistake a year and a half ago."

I do not see that as a flip flop.

Re Trump flip-flops on Israel-Palestine
Trump has always been pro Israel no flip flop here either.

Re Abortion
Ok he flipped but he flipped to pro-life so I am cool with that.

Well....there's a lot more Trump flip flops, but I don't have the time or the inclination to spend posting them all right now.  Suffice to say, Trump is already well-known for his flip flopping.  To state otherwise would be dishonest.   

[jpsb]

I don't want to be forced to make a choice between ox dung and cow dung.   There are other choices available,  and I intend to vote for someone who is, well, "honest and plays by the rules".

Fine throw your vote away on someone with zero chance of getting elected. Enjoy President Hillary and all the new Marxist/Muslims she will bring here to the USA. And forget about ever electing a conservative ever again once Hillary grants amnesty to the tens of millions of illegals already here. You deserve President Hillary.

@Jazzhead

[Idaho_Cowboy]

I'm sure the former Bernie supporters are not amused with this. 

[Night Hides Not]

Fine throw your vote away on someone with zero chance of getting elected. Enjoy President Hillary and all the new Marxist/Muslims she will bring here to the USA. And forget about ever electing a conservative ever again once Hillary grants amnesty to the tens of millions of illegals already here. You deserve President Hillary.

@Jazzhead

Sorry friend, a President Hillary would not have the authority to grant amnesty to tens of millions of illegals. If it could be done, I suspect Obama would have already done it.

IMHO, this nation is getting what it deserves, be it Trump or Hillary, and I'll be one of those saying, "I told you so" every chance I get.

[LMAO]

Money spend on infrastructure is money well spent.

Here we go.
The tagline I use applies again
And everything you posted after this proved my point You admit you are molding Trump into what you think he is or will do and then the rest of your reply is spent doing just that. Besides, we here are all aware who and what Hillary is. I won't knock anyone who votes for Trump because they feel there is no alternative but I wont knock anyone who won't, either

It seems as we get closer to the election and the Trump campaign is starting to show signs of collapsing, his most unquestioning of support base is getting shriller and shriller.

We have no obligation to vote Trump. You feel Trump is entitled to this. I feel he has to earn it. That that's based on his actual positions and statements, both past and present, and not what you think they are based on during a primary season

[Norm Lenhart]

Fine throw your vote away on someone with zero chance of getting elected. Enjoy President Hillary and all the new Marxist/Muslims she will bring here to the USA. And forget about ever electing a conservative ever again once Hillary grants amnesty to the tens of millions of illegals already here. You deserve President Hillary.

@Jazzhead

You guaranteed she would be elected when you helped force a liberal on the GOP ticket. Don't project your failings on us.

Don't complain about hillary's amnesty when Capt. Touchback already backed off all his border promises.

Don't complain about Hilary's Refugees when Donnie has reversed course a couple times now on that very subject.

This is 100% on your team, sport. And it's too late to take your ball and go home.

[INVAR]

Fine throw your vote away on someone with zero chance of getting elected.

We weren't aware we needed your permission.  And yes, we will vote for whom best represents our principles be they third party or write in.  We do not care that you think it is a throw-away vote. 

Enjoy President Hillary and all the new Marxist/Muslims she will bring here to the USA.

As if Obama hasn't been doing so for the past 8 years.  Look, your fear-mongering falls flat.  We know what she is.  We decided Trump is worse and more dangerous to our individual liberties and lives than the Mao Pantsuit.

And forget about ever electing a conservative ever again... You deserve President Hillary.

You saw to that the moment you made Trump your monarch.  I watched him make Conservatism irrelevant as he targeted all his venomous rage and character assassinations on every Conservative in the race and every Conservative who refused to support him.  Meanwhile, he says he is 'bored' with attacking Hillary, so he doesn't.  But Conservatives, he has plenty of vim and vigor to rail upon them and destroy them very personally.

Now your bunches of militants are busy making excuses for his gaffes, outrageous behaviors and outright liberal Leftist ideals and tax dodging - redefining Conservatism into the image of Trump.  YOU PEOPLE DIRECTLY have endured that a Conservative will never hold national office ever again in our lifetimes.  YOU DID THAT.  You and your thuggish pals.

Congratulations. 

You deserve all the accolades for making Hildabeast's coronation appear legitimate given you chose her Trojan Stalking Horse to be your prince.

[Night Hides Not]

Money spend on infrastructure is money well spent.

Not without adequate controls. A casual search will turn up multiple examples of infrastructure projects that exceeded budgeted construction costs and times...see "Big Dig" (per Wiki):

The Big Dig was the most expensive highway project in the US, and was plagued by escalating costs, scheduling overruns, leaks, design flaws, charges of poor execution and use of substandard materials, criminal arrests,[2][3] and one death.[4] The project was originally scheduled to be completed in 1998[5] at an estimated cost of $2.8 billion (in 1982 dollars, US$6.0 billion adjusted for inflation as of 2006).[6] However, the project was completed only in December 2007, at a cost of over $14.6 billion ($8.08 billion in 1982 dollars, meaning a cost overrun of about 190%)[6] as of 2006.[7] The Boston Globe estimated that the project will ultimately cost $22 billion, including interest, and that it would not be paid off until 2038.[8] As a result of a death, leaks, and other design flaws, the consortium that oversaw the project agreed to pay $407 million in restitution, and several smaller companies agreed to pay a combined sum of approximately $51 million.[9]

[LMAO]

Not without adequate controls. A casual search will turn up multiple examples of infrastructure projects that exceeded budgeted construction costs and times...see "Big Dig" (per Wiki):

Infrastructure spending is more often than not used as a Keynesian type jobs program than actual infrastructure repairs. So when Trump promises to outspend Hillary in this area, it's apparent that's how he intends to use it.

I remember many years ago reading something from Milton Friedman were he was in another country touring it's projects and he saw men digging a trench. He asked the tour guide what they were doing and why they weren't using the heavy equipment as it would save time. He was told they were on an infrastructure project  and it was part of a job creating program. Friedman told his quide if that was the case, why not give them spoons to dig with?

[Norm Lenhart]

Infrastructure spending is more often than not used as a Keynesian type jobs program than actual infrastructure repairs. So when Trump promises to outspend Hillary in this area, it's apparent that's how he intends to use it.

I remember many years ago reading something from Milton Friedman were he was in another country touring it's projects and he saw men digging a trench. He asked the tour guide what they were doing and why they weren't using the heavy equipment as it would save time. He was told they were on an infrastructure project  and it was part of a job creating program. Friedman told his quide if that was the case, why not give them spoons to dig with?

That and the typical money laundering crony capitalists love so much. Gotta keep the donors happy.

[GrouchoTex]

"As POTUS hillary will nominate Marxists judges to the courts including the Supreme Court. The American constitution will be in the ash heap of history if Hillary is elected."

My take on this:

He is no more likely to nominate judges who will abide by the Constitution than Hillary is.
His own policies would be in Jeopardy if he did so, because some of them are not constitutional.

I'll give you 3 of those policies, which a strict interpretation of the constitution would strike down:

(1) Expanding paid maternity leave for mothers.
(2) Strengthening libel laws against the press.
(3) Encouraging a return of "stop-and-frisk".

[LMAO]

That and the typical money laundering crony capitalists love so much. Gotta keep the donors happy.

That's why politicians throw out the  term "our crumbling infrastructure."

BHO, despite his stimulus, couldn't find all these shovel ready jobs and Trump won't either

[INVAR]

"As POTUS hillary will nominate Marxists judges to the courts including the Supreme Court. The American constitution will be in the ash heap of history if Hillary is elected."

My take on this:

He is no more likely to nominate judges who will abide by the Constitution than Hillary is.
His own policies would be in Jeopardy if he did so, because some of them are not constitutional.

I'll give you 3 of those policies, which a strict interpretation of the constitution would strike down:

(1) Expanding paid maternity leave for mothers.
(2) Strengthening libel laws against the press.
(3) Encouraging a return of "stop-and-frisk".

The Trump militant have already made their justifications for how those things are both Constitutional AND "Conservative".  Oppose those things and watch these so-called "Conservatives" accuse you of 1), hating pregnant women, 2) approving of and promoting the ability of the mainstream media to lie and slander, and 3) being a 'BLM supporter"/anarchist/cop hater/hater of law and order.

We're arguing with liberals or GOP party hacks supporting a lifelong NYC liberal Democrat.  They are not interested in Constitutional Conservatism.

They are reshaping 'Conservatism' into another form of Statism with a liberal bent.

[dfwgator]

The Trump militant have already made their justifications for how those things are both Constitutional AND "Conservative".  Oppose those things and watch these so-called "Conservatives" accuse you of 1), hating pregnant women, 2) approving of and promoting the ability of the mainstream media to lie and slander, and 3) being a 'BLM supporter"/anarchist/cop hater/hater of law and order.

We're arguing with liberals or GOP party hacks supporting a lifelong NYC liberal Democrat.  They are not interested in Constitutional Conservatism.

They are reshaping 'Conservatism' into another form of Statism with a liberal bent.

There's a big difference.  The press will cover Hillary for her picks, while they will go after Trump for his.   Trump won't be able to get away with half the things Hillary will be able to get away with.

[GrouchoTex]

The Trump militant have already made their justifications for how those things are both Constitutional AND "Conservative".  Oppose those things and watch these so-called "Conservatives" accuse you of 1), hating pregnant women, 2) approving of and promoting the ability of the mainstream media to lie and slander, and 3) being a 'BLM supporter"/anarchist/cop hater/hater of law and order.

We're arguing with liberals or GOP party hacks supporting a lifelong NYC liberal Democrat.  They are not interested in Constitutional Conservatism.

They are reshaping 'Conservatism' into another form of Statism with a liberal bent.

You are, unfortunately, correct in you assessment.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

There's a big difference.  The press will cover Hillary for her picks, while they will go after Trump for his.   Trump won't be able to get away with half the things Hillary will be able to get away with.

That's a good point, but the media will be be trying to push Trump the same direction his rudder is stuck: to the left. The narratives are already in place, if Trump nominates a complete middle of the road milk-sop; the media will portray them as a radical.  So this may not work in our favor very much; it will be up the senate to and there is now way they will ever get a good pickup out of Hillary. Could they conceivably push Trump towards a good pick is debatable. Just my dos centavos.

[dfwgator]

That's a good point, but the media will be be trying to push Trump the same direction his rudder is stuck: to the left. The narratives are already in place, if Trump nominates a complete middle of the road milk-sop; the media will portray them as a radical.  So this may not work in our favor very much; it will be up the senate to and there is now way they will ever get a good pickup out of Hillary. Could they conceivably push Trump towards a good pick is debatable. Just my dos centavos.

The way I see it is, Four years of Gridlock with Trump versus Four Years of the Liberal Agenda with Hillary.  I'll take Gridlock every time.

[Night Hides Not]

The way I see it is, Four years of Gridlock with Trump versus Four Years of the Liberal Agenda with Hillary.  I'll take Gridlock every time.

Those with a basic, rudimentary understanding of our Constitution know that the Founding Fathers set up a government that encourages gridlock. I think they would be appalled at the direction our country has taken over the past 100 years.

[GrouchoTex]

The way I see it is, Four years of Gridlock with Trump versus Four Years of the Liberal Agenda with Hillary.  I'll take Gridlock every time.

Gridlock is a good thing!

[Idaho_Cowboy]

Gridlock is a good thing!