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Donald Trump Struggles to Deal With Debate Loss
« on: September 28, 2016, 03:07:50 am »
http://time.com/4511049/presidential-debate-donald-trump-rally/

Donald Trump Struggles to Deal With Debate Loss

Zeke J Miller / Melbourne, Fla. @ZekeJMiller  10:43 PM ET     

How does a man whose brand is all about winning come to terms with defeat? After a widely panned performance in Monday’s inaugural presidential debate, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump gave several contradictory answers.

At a rally with nearly 10,000 people in a hangar on the Florida space coast Tuesday night Trump repeatedly claimed victory, berated the media for covering his loss and offered excuses for his performance.

“I was also holding back, “ Trump said, in the familiar wording of a vanquished schoolyard bully. “I didn’t want to do anything to embarrass her.”


Trump went into Monday night’s debate in hopes of proving himself presidential before an audience that topped more than 81 million people on television alone. But over the course of 90 minutes, he grew impatient and fell into predictable traps set by his Democratic rival. Hillary Clinton’s weeks of preparation showed, as she deftly provoked a man who has never handled such prodding well.

Although supporters cast the outcome of the debate on predictable lines, pundits and insiders on both sides of the aisle generally agreed that Clinton won the face-off. A CNN poll of debate watchers found the same result, as did a focus group of undecided voters led by veteran GOP pollster Frank Luntz.

It has not been easy for Trump to come to terms with the setback. The Republican nominee, who traded his moniker “Crooked Hillary” for “Secretary Clinton” for the debate, brought his old insult back in force Tuesday evening—seemingly craving the adoration of the crowd he’d missed.

“We’re going to get rid of that crooked woman, “he said, using a version of the phrase at least a dozen times. “She’s a crooked woman. A very dishonest woman.” The crowd rewarded him with more than a half-dozen chants of “lock her up,” a staple of his rallies.

Trump tried to explain his calmer, but still-irritable, demeanor as a sign of having the jitters before such a large audience. “I took a deep breath and I pretended I was talking to my family,” he said.

Directly after the debate, Trump became the first major party presidential nominee in memory to personally try to spin his own performance. Surrounded by hundreds of reporters in the so-called “spin room” outside the debate, he claimed he had a defective microphone and said he didn’t want to bring up Bill Clinton’s indiscretions with Chelsea Clinton in the room.

By Tuesday morning, his response was more elaborate. Speaking to Fox and Friends, he gave Hillary Clinton a “C+” in the debate but refused to give himself a grade, and in a time-honored ploy by the loser, he blamed the moderator, NBC Nightly News anchor Lester Holt.

“I thought she was very bad in the first half when they were asking normal questions,” Trump said, “and when they were asking bad questions she did better.”

At his first post-debate event, a carefully scripted faux town hall in Miami, Trump cited a flurry of unscientific online reader polls that showed him winning—in some cases because his supporters rallied online to vote more than once.

“I think we did very well,” Trump said. “We won every poll.” Then he corrected himself. “Virtually every poll: except for CNN,” he continued of the network’s rigorous poll that showed him at a 2-1 disadvantage. “No one watches CNN.”

He added that his performance was “big league.”

But it was at the rally in Melbourne that Trump’s true discontent was apparent. Then in nearly point-by-point fashion off a teleprompter, Trump recounted the debate topics, revised his answers, and tried to offer some of the same falsehoods.

“Does everybody believe me?” Trump asked. “I was against going into Iraq. And it’s so well documented.” (His only public statement from the time of the war’s start—to radio host Howard Stern—was in support of the war.)

Trump also sought a bit of a redo, alternating some of the kinds of lines he could have used against Clinton in the debate with more excuses for why he didn’t perform better. “She’s an insider, fighting only for her donors and insiders,” Trump said.

“The emcee was arguing with me, taking up a lot of time,” Trump complained of his inability to make his points. He doubled-down on Clinton’s “bad experience” and finally worked up a retort to Clinton’s counter that her global travels as Secretary of State proved her stamina and preparedness for the job of president.

“She traveled all over the world, but you know what it got us? Nothing,” Trump said. “It got us debt. And debt.”

Trump also worked to correct his failure to press Clinton handling of classified information on her private email server and neglecting to mention his plans to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border. He called it Clinton’s “greatest achievement” that she avoided criminal charges in the email probe, and led the crowd in a chant of “build that wall.”

As the audience quieted he wound up crowd for the pièce de résistance: “Are you ready? Are you ready? And who is going to pay for that wall?” The crowd responded: “Mexico.”

But even as he spun away a loss, Trump bragged about one final win. “We have the biggest day we ever had because of the success last night,” he told supporters. “Because of the debate, they raised almost $18m today. That’s a lot.”
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2016, 03:11:47 am »
Trump is a loser.  And he can't stand being a loser.
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2016, 03:12:02 am »
The stench of fail is off over this loser. He choked like a 5th grader at a spelling bee and the best part is that even he knows he is a disaster now.

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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2016, 03:16:21 am »
The stench of fail is off over this loser. He choked like a 5th grader at a spelling bee and the best part is that even he knows he is a disaster now.

He's not going to like having to study for the next one.

I predict he'll remain in control longer.
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2016, 03:27:01 am »
He's not going to like having to study for the next one.

I predict he'll remain in control longer.

Clinton knows how to push his buttons. She will use more of the jabs next time.  Trump doing the rope-a-dope?  More like a dope on the rope....   It's only a matter of time before he blows.

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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2016, 04:22:13 pm »
Clinton knows how to push his buttons. She will use more of the jabs next time.  Trump doing the rope-a-dope?  More like a dope on the rope....   It's only a matter of time before he blows.

Yup. She played him like a cheap guitar. And she'll do it again and again.

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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2016, 04:26:18 pm »
Yup. She played him like a cheap guitar. And she'll do it again and again.

With his hands, I'd say more like a cheap ukelele.
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2016, 04:28:57 pm »
Its gut wrenching to watch Hillary make a hash of the disaster we've nominated.

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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2016, 04:29:57 pm »
Yup. She played him like a cheap guitar. And she'll do it again and again.

She looked like she was doped up big time.   I doubt she'll be able to hold it together through more of these.
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2016, 04:32:55 pm »
Its gut wrenching to watch Hillary make a hash of the disaster we've nominated.

speak for yourself.  I had nothing to do with his nomination
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2016, 04:33:15 pm »
She looked like she was doped up big time.   I doubt she'll be able to hold it together through more of these.

Not true.  As much as I despise Hillary Clinton, her demeanor in the debate was much more professional and presidential than the huffing and puffing Trump.  It was clear that she was coached and had prepared for the debate.....unlike the ever-arrogant Trump.
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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2016, 04:40:51 pm »
speak for yourself.  I had nothing to do with his nomination

Exactly.  I share no blame for the nomination of this national embarrassment.

How blind must his followers be to have not seen this coming?

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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2016, 04:49:58 pm »
With his hands, I'd say more like a cheap ukelele.
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2016, 06:12:59 pm »
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“I didn’t want to do anything to embarrass her.”

Notice he didn't hold back when attacking Republicans

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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2016, 06:14:07 pm »
Notice he didn't hold back when attacking Republicans

Or their wives.
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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2016, 06:15:27 pm »
He's not going to like having to study for the next one.

I predict he'll remain in control longer.

That's easy, Hillary could say something the day before the next debate that makes him upset. He won't be able to focus and he will keep mentioning it during the debate no matter how pointless and dumb.

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“Does everybody believe me?” Trump asked. “I was against going into Iraq. And it’s so well documented.” (His only public statement from the time of the war’s start—to radio host Howard Stern—was in support of the war.)

and one of his books where he said they needed to

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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2016, 06:49:39 pm »
That's easy, Hillary could say something the day before the next debate that makes him upset. He won't be able to focus and he will keep mentioning it during the debate no matter how pointless and dumb.

Well, he listened to his handlers well enough for the first 20 minutes of the debate.  If it comes out the day before, they'll be able to rein him in.  It would have to be right before the debate, I suppose.
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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2016, 06:52:53 pm »
Well, he listened to his handlers well enough for the first 20 minutes of the debate.  If it comes out the day before, they'll be able to rein him in.  It would have to be right before the debate, I suppose.


Trump's debate prep:


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Trump's debate prep:



How'd you get that video?  Definitely authentic! 
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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2016, 07:02:20 pm »
The stench of fail is off over this loser. He choked like a 5th grader at a spelling bee and the best part is that even he knows he is a disaster now.
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"He choked like a 5th grader at a spelling bee..."  No, Frank, it wasn't a spelling bee in the 5th grade - in the 5th grade, he physically attacked his music teacher.  His father said he was a difficult child and the father said, his behavior was so bad, that is why he sent him away to military school, to try to change his behavior.

Trump went from physically attacking in his early years, to verbally and financially attacking others.  He is the same as in the 5th grade, just his method changed. 

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« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2016, 07:20:18 pm »
“Does everybody believe me?” Trump asked. “I was against going into Iraq. And it’s so well documented.” (His only public statement from the time of the war’s start—to radio host Howard Stern—was in support of the war.)

Donald Trump, New York liberal, is a liar. 

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« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2016, 07:24:39 pm »
How'd you get that video?  Definitely authentic!

Trump's videographer bootlegged a copy and sent it to me.

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