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Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters
« on: September 27, 2016, 02:02:34 pm »
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Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters

By John Podhoretz

September 27, 2016 | 12:27am

Hillary Clinton was boring and exceptionally well-prepared. Donald Trump was exciting but embarrassingly undisciplined. He began with his strongest argument — that the political class represented by her has failed us and it’s time to look to a successful dealmaker for leadership — and kept to it pretty well for the first 20 minutes.

Then due to the vanity and laziness that led him to think he could wing the most important 95 minutes of his life, he lost the thread of his argument, he lost control of his temper and he lost the perspective necessary to correct these mistakes as he went.

Methodically and carefully, Hillary Clinton took over. Her purpose was to show she was rational and policy-driven, the kind of person who could be trusted to handle a careful and delicate job with prudence and sobriety — and that he was none of these things.

And she succeeded. By the end of the 95 minutes, Trump was reduced to a sputtering mess blathering about Rosie O’Donnell and about how he hasn’t yet said the mean things about Hillary that he is thinking.

Most important, he set ticking time bombs for himself over the next six weeks.

As she hammered him on his tax returns, he handed her an inestimable gift by basically saying he pays no federal taxes despite his billions — and moreover, that if he had done so, it would have been “squandered” anyway.

That’s not going to go away, nor is her suggestion that his refusal to release his returns is the result of his either not being as rich as he says or not being as charitable as he claims.

Clinton quoted him saying in 2006 that he hoped for a housing meltdown because it would provide buying opportunities and thereby goaded him into saying “that’s called business, by the way.” To which she quickly replied that 9 million people lost their jobs and 5 million lost their homes in the housing meltdown he was so excited about. Blammo.

His reply to Hillary’s recitation of the fact he’d begun his career settling a Justice Department lawsuit about racial discrimination in Trump housing was that there was “no admission of guilt,” which is the sort of thing the villain said at the end of “LA Law” and sounded no better in real life.

Even when he could have taken her down, he was so incompetent he didn’t go for it. A question about cybersecurity was the perfect opportunity to hammer Clinton on her outrageous mishandling of classified information.

Instead, he went into a bizarre digression in which he alternately wondered whether his son Barron might grow up to become a hacker and defended Vladimir Putin from the accusation Russia had tapped into the Democratic National Committee’s emails (which the FBI says almost certainly happened). That has to count as the biggest choke of his political life.

By the time the last 15 minutes rolled around, he was reduced to yammering about Rosie O’Donnell being mean to him and Hillary running mean commercials about him and praising himself because there are some really terrible things he could have said about Hillary but hasn’t. By this point, even his smart closing zinger — “she has experience but it’s bad experience” — was buried inside a weird word salad that reduced its effectiveness to almost nil.

His supporters should be furious with him, and so should the public in general. By performing this incompetently, by refusing to prepare properly for this exchange, by not learning enough to put meat on the bones of his populist case against Clinton, he displayed nothing but contempt for the people who have brought him this far — and for the American people who are going to make this momentous decision on Nov. 8.
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Re: Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2016, 02:09:52 pm »
He's not always like that. They just make him mad sometimes. It's not his fault. His supporters will do better and he won't hit them anymore.

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Re: Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2016, 02:14:35 pm »
Trump missed some opportunities last night, but in my humble opinion he handily defeated her where it matters most: with the voters.  He spoke in very simple terms, and zeroed in on the emotion of issues, whereas Hillary was very informed and appealed to reason.  Unfortunately, being a well-informed policy wonk is a negative in this environment.  I predict Hillary tumbles more in the polls this week.  The desperation on the left is palpable, and when that happens they tend to overreach and go bonkers.  I cannot wait to hear what sorts of vitriol they come up with next.

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Re: Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2016, 02:19:05 pm »
Trump missed some opportunities last night, but in my humble opinion he handily defeated her where it matters most: with the voters. 

The bar was pretty low for Trump -- if Clinton couldn't utterly flatten him, then she wouldn't "win" the "debate".  Probably she did not succeed in flattening him, in the eyes of those whose minds weren't already made up.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2016, 02:19:43 pm by r9etb »

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Re: Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2016, 03:10:29 pm »
@sinkspur

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Then due to the vanity and laziness that led him to think he could wing the most important 95 minutes of his life, he lost the thread of his argument, he lost control of his temper and he lost the perspective necessary to correct these mistakes as he went.

I watched this debate with a couple of friends. Trump's performance was laughable. Half of his answers were akin to "look how big my junk is!" especially when talking about his awesumz succezz!

Then he allowed himself to be completely baited by Clinton on the tax returns. I've never seen a more blatant attack designed to make a fool of the other debater. Moreover, I've never seen a fool so big as to completely take the bait.

Finally, I've never seen a candidate say, "We have to..." so many times about so many subjects (like, "We have to keep these companies from going overseas") but then completely fail to outline specific proposals that would actually...

1) Work
2) Be within his power as president to enact
3) Not be able to be refuted by Clinton with a simple eye roll

The entire debate was the worst thing I've ever watched. A pathological lying crook debating against a narcissistic petulant moron.

Pathetic.
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Re: Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2016, 04:20:38 pm »
Trump supporters:

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Re: Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2016, 04:27:19 pm »
@sinkspur

I watched this debate with a couple of friends. Trump's performance was laughable. Half of his answers were akin to "look how big my junk is!" especially when talking about his awesumz succezz!

Then he allowed himself to be completely baited by Clinton on the tax returns. I've never seen a more blatant attack designed to make a fool of the other debater. Moreover, I've never seen a fool so big as to completely take the bait.

Finally, I've never seen a candidate say, "We have to..." so many times about so many subjects (like, "We have to keep these companies from going overseas") but then completely fail to outline specific proposals that would actually...

1) Work
2) Be within his power as president to enact
3) Not be able to be refuted by Clinton with a simple eye roll

The entire debate was the worst thing I've ever watched. A pathological lying crook debating against a narcissistic petulant moron.

Pathetic.

And speaking of eye rolls.....I guarantee that he lost a large majority of the women vote when he rolled his eyes at Hillary.  His personal demeanor and facial expressions were uncontrolled and smacked of a third-grade brat.  He has no restraint or control and he showed that last nite, good and plenty.  NOT a quality most Americans want as CIC.
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Re: Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2016, 04:32:06 pm »
'Slap in the face'??  His seig-heiling supporters loved it.

They actually think Trump went William F. Buckley on Hillary.

They are so invested in his messiahship - his own glaring ridiculousness; his tantrums; his incompetent word salads; the fact he admitted he does not pay federal taxes; and was reduced to an eye-rolling, mumbling incoherent mess whining about Rosie O'Donnell and Hillary being mean to him'; is willfully ignored and instead they are gloating about how Trump mopped the floor with the Mao Pantsuit.

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Re: Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2016, 04:45:47 pm »
I think by now most are familiar with Trump's way of doing things. Anyone surprised hasn't been paying attention. And the faithful, Trumpist Monks with their orange kool aid, they would have praised Trump had he spent the debate making rude noises from his armpit.
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