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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1275 on: October 05, 2016, 07:37:40 pm »
I think senior military officers have demonstrated they will follow any orders, even when those orders diminish and emasculate their own forces; allow ambassadors to die at the hands of Jihadists and wipe out morale while pushing perverted social experimentation, even in combat zones.  I think Obama purged the brass of most of those whom he felt would oppose his fundamental transformations.

The constitution does make the President the Commander in Chief, and does give Congress the power to raise and equip armies, and to provide rules for their governance.  It's not unconstitutional for the President and Congress to do stupid things with the military.  And the reality is that opposition simply results in replacement.  Congress will not back a general who refuses those kind of orders.

However, launching a nuclear strike is something quite arguably does exceed the Presidential authority because it amounts to a declaration of war, and in a huge irrevocable way.  That alone would be a reason to disobey.  And, if Trump ordered such a strike, and the military refused, Congress in its entirety would back them, and start impeachment proceedings immediately.  In fact, Congress would likely seek prosecution of anyone who obeyed such an order.

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How much more will they follow the orders of someone with a short temper who promises them glory under the auspices of 'making America great again'??

There would be absolutely zero "glory" in executing a unilateral, unjustified order to nuke another country without overwhelming justification.  Any careerists in the house would be the last to do that.  Also, it's worthwhile noting that upon taking office, there wouldn't be a single officer whom he would have appointed.  He'd eventually get to nominate some general officers along the way, but they must be approved by the Senate, and it takes much longer for policy changes to be fully absorbed at lower ranks.

In other words, it's not going to be "Trump's" military.

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A culture, country and a military that is no longer governed by the morality we once had, while embracing ideas more akin to Empire than Republic, is a culture and country with a military that won't blink twice when a madman whose ego is bruised by an insult from a foreigner, would unload whatever they are told to unload.

I think this unfairly maligns the majority of those who still serves.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1276 on: October 05, 2016, 07:38:09 pm »

heh heh heh

 I had a coworker telling me this morning I needed to mill and sand 3 trim sticks 1 1/4" wide to cover  1 3/4" gaps. He was even drawing me pictures. I finally told him to take his stupid BS somewhere else because I couldn't handle it at 6 a.m.  And then I got snarky with anyone in sight.  Someone else brought me a piece of bubble wrap and told me it would probably save my life (popping bubbles). I told him it would probably save his too. heh heh heh

Co-workers often need a little bit of this:   ****slapping

The problem is, that'll get you fired these days.  Buncha poosies.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1277 on: October 05, 2016, 07:39:38 pm »
You're forgetting one indisputable fact about Donald Trump: he is a patriot who values America above globalization and multiculturalism - something that I used to believe was a republican value, out of place here at TBR.

We really enjoy your satirical viewpoint here.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1278 on: October 05, 2016, 07:40:14 pm »
Maj. Bill, so the lightbulb switches on? I'm surprised it took you so long. But, you are one of the thoughtful and sincere posters here at TBR. The others, are but #NeverTrumpLosersAndReprobates.

I wish you well, Major.

It is well within your power to switch that light right back off.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1279 on: October 05, 2016, 07:41:41 pm »
You mean an honest stand ........ because I'm not supporting Hillary in the least by not supporting Trump.

I wouldn't vote for either of those two despicable creatures if my life depended on it.

I've never voted for an amoral leftist in my life and I'm not about to start now.

I've always known which side of the toast your butter is on, and I mean that in a very positive way.   888high58888
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1280 on: October 05, 2016, 07:43:49 pm »
Maj. Bill, so the lightbulb switches on? I'm surprised it took you so long. But, you are one of the thoughtful and sincere posters here at TBR. The others, are but #NeverTrumpLosersAndReprobates.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1281 on: October 05, 2016, 07:50:29 pm »
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1282 on: October 05, 2016, 07:53:25 pm »
And in addition to @aligncare 's mastery of such bulletproof logic, I am always comforted by his unique gift for edification, consistently bringing out the best in all of us through his pointless and supercilious snark.

Always endeavor to eschew obfuscation.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1283 on: October 05, 2016, 07:54:47 pm »
I tend to see the worst in Trump myself, and his campaign's strong-man worship of personality and power at the expense of the scapegoat du jour has honestly reminded me also of the rise of the Nationalist Socialist German Workers' Party.

But in fair defense of @Maj. Bill Martin, I think the Major has drawn very credible distinctions between the current situation in the US versus Weimar Germany, and between Hitler's pursuit of power and Trump's pursuit of hedonism.  The major has been very clear throughout his posts that he did not support Trump in the primaries and only plans to vote for him now because Hillary is worse.  Unlike those who continue to insult my intelligence in their insistence that Trump is some kind of omnicompetent visionary, the major is clear about Trump's many faults, he just doesn't reach the same conclusions about what those faults mean in this country's present context.

I agree with you @Smokin Joe that we might be experiencing the leading edge of a very bad change in American politics and values as the Republican Party now resorts to many of the same tactics that the Democrats have used for years.  I hope we can discuss those concerns without making enemies of people who see the current election from a very similar, but not identical, perspective.

Finding myself in agreement with much of what you both say Major and Smokin, I'll put on my best Rodney King hat and ask "Can't we all just get along?"
Sam, I guess I just wondered from an early age how any people could let a Hitler rise to power. Keep in mind that he promised he'd restore the country and did. He had a huge public works project which put enormous numbers of his people back to work (unemployment was high when he became Chancellor, and he fixed that). Autobahn=wall? Our unemployment/underemployment is way off the official numbers because of the way the Fed Gov counts people who are unemployed. Reality is worse than portrayed for even the best off groups, and a horror show for the worst demographics.
He rebuilt the military, modernizing it, and did so well that treaty obligations were ignored, letting him amass five times the number of troops he was supposed to. He nationalized the police.
The economy improved, and the improvements, economically and technologically, put his nation at the forefront again. The turnaround was so remarkable, that he'd made his country 'great again', that large numbers of people in power in other nations held him in high regard.
He revamped the health care system, provided schooling for the young, and facilities for those with disabilities, all State run. The State took over raising Children, and we are far closer to that in America than most know or want to admit.

Perhaps none of these concepts sounds familiar. These were, indeed, heady times, when a nation so bitterly defeated in war less than 20 years before was hosting the Olympics...had the premier transatlantic service, and was highly regarded in the world. It just didn't stop there.

The ugly side didn't come out until later, but the seeds of that ugliness were present in the Party apparatus and the person at the top.

He vilified a particular group as being the source of many of his country's economic ills, and to popular acclaim, set about solving the 'problem'. (We have two such groups, handy scapegoats, and another in the wings should they misbehave. If all else fails, he could always turn on his supporters, whatever would grant the best advantage. That precedent is established.).

Then the ugliness became more open with the seizure of absolute power, military ambitions were stripped bare and war ensued, along with the systematic removal of people who disagreed with him or who were considered disloyal or who were members of scapegoat groups.

Schoolchildren were indoctrinated in the catechism of the State, and knew of nothing wrong unless they knew someone who got the knock on the door in the middle of the night, had a relative who dissented, or ended up as a high school girl 'manning' an 88 mm antiaircraft gun. They were so thoroughly indoctrinated by the end of the war that mere 'kids' of 13 and 14 would not surrender but fought to the death against allied troops. The cult of personality had been rooted that deep by most of a generation of State control.

It would be folly to ignore the economic distress the US currently is in ($20,000,000,000,000.00 in debt), dependent on foreign sources for much of what we consume, high unemployment, inflation masked by cheap foreign products and downsizing of units of food sold, with the poorest of the poor well fed by the onerous burden of taxes on those who are still productive.
It would be silly to ignore the anger, both at illegal immigrants (and the blame for real Americans not having jobs), and at those 'refugees' being brought in who share an ideology with which we are, fundamentally, at war.

Anger, fear, and easily directed animosity all can be whipped to a crescendo in short notice, especially with the media of today, not just technologically, but psychologically adept at goading emotion to the fore, distorting any message, and limiting disclosure, and without the internet or other media (or controlling them), no other narrative would be heard, except in quiet whispers. Other technical advancements since then would have had the agencies of that State waking in pools of nocturnal emissions over newfound ability to track movement, expenditures, income, communications, and behaviour, as well as to eliminate specific targets. No totalitarian state of the past would have enjoyed such control. It would be easier to strip someone of all but their physical assets than ever, to track their movements and seize even those physical assets, to scan crowds for their faces by remote control.
Both candidates have shown support for gun control in the past, and Trump has only recently shown any resistance to that. Where he stands on the issue is not completely clear.

As always, that is the last step.

Under their other layers, both of the major candidates are control freaks. Both have THE solution to the country's problems, and both have the only one. Both stand to make ridiculous fortunes with the ability to invest heavily in situations where they would control the outcome.

We once said that character counts. Neither of them has the appropriate character for the job. Simple as that.

One is pushing the buttons of the 'underclass' to get them to rise against the merchants and the elites, even while being one of the latter.

Another is harnessing the hatred, anger, and angst of the productive masses (or those who desire to be), and focusing that xenophobia on 'undesirables', making that the signature issue, along with a large public works project and renewed employment, and claiming he will restore our nation's prestige in the world, militarily and otherwise.

It isn't just the seed, it's where it lands and takes root.

I get that no one is happy about our options, least of all me, but I don't, from the viewpoint of an original intent Constitutionalist see much difference. Either is toxic to the Republic.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1284 on: October 05, 2016, 07:55:35 pm »
Always endeavor to eschew obfuscation.

I like big butts and I cannot lie.

Er...Sorry. It seemed like profound wisdom when Sir Mixalot said it...

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1285 on: October 05, 2016, 08:01:13 pm »
I like big butts and I cannot lie.

Er...Sorry. It seemed like profound wisdom when Sir Mixalot said it...

We say it, but Kanye lives it.  I guess he deserves to have $45 Million worth of jewelry boosted (he says.  I'd hate to be the insurance adjuster on that call).
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1286 on: October 05, 2016, 08:02:03 pm »
@GrouchoTex

   If you Live in Texas, other than the 4 Clowns printed on the Ballot is Write-In. If I'm not Mistaken the only Write-In that will be recognized is Evan.  If trump is losing so badly in Texas that he needs your Vote, It's over for him anyway.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1287 on: October 05, 2016, 08:02:38 pm »
You're forgetting one indisputable fact about Donald Trump: he is a patriot who values America above globalization and multiculturalism - something that I used to believe was a republican value, out of place here at TBR.

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Wrong again.

"Trump also expressed his support for transnational globalism.

“We will have to leave borders behind and go for global unity when it comes to financial stability,” Trump wrote — 1,250 days ago.

“The future of Europe, as well as the United States, depends on a cohesive global economy.” Trump declared. “All of us must work toward together toward that very significant common goal.”


http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/25/before-the-brexit-donald-trump-was-a-transnationalist-who-wanted-to-leave-borders-behind/


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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1288 on: October 05, 2016, 08:05:23 pm »
And in addition to @aligncare 's mastery of such bulletproof logic, I am always comforted by his unique gift for edification, consistently bringing out the best in all of us through his pointless and supercilious snark.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1289 on: October 05, 2016, 08:12:15 pm »
@GrouchoTex

   If you Live in Texas, other than the 4 Clowns printed on the Ballot is Write-In. If I'm not Mistaken the only Write-In that will be recognized is Evan.  If trump is losing so badly in Texas that he needs your Vote, It's over for him anyway.

True, if he can't win Texas..........

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1290 on: October 05, 2016, 08:15:00 pm »
Sam, I guess I just wondered from an early age how any people could let a Hitler rise to power. Keep in mind that he promised he'd restore the country and did. He had a huge public works project which put enormous numbers of his people back to work (unemployment was high when he became Chancellor, and he fixed that). Autobahn=wall? Our unemployment/underemployment is way off the official numbers because of the way the Fed Gov counts people who are unemployed. Reality is worse than portrayed for even the best off groups, and a horror show for the worst demographics.
He rebuilt the military, modernizing it, and did so well that treaty obligations were ignored, letting him amass five times the number of troops he was supposed to. He nationalized the police.
The economy improved, and the improvements, economically and technologically, put his nation at the forefront again. The turnaround was so remarkable, that he'd made his country 'great again', that large numbers of people in power in other nations held him in high regard.
He revamped the health care system, provided schooling for the young, and facilities for those with disabilities, all State run. The State took over raising Children, and we are far closer to that in America than most know or want to admit.

Perhaps none of these concepts sounds familiar. These were, indeed, heady times, when a nation so bitterly defeated in war less than 20 years before was hosting the Olympics...had the premier transatlantic service, and was highly regarded in the world. It just didn't stop there.

The ugly side didn't come out until later, but the seeds of that ugliness were present in the Party apparatus and the person at the top.

He vilified a particular group as being the source of many of his country's economic ills, and to popular acclaim, set about solving the 'problem'. (We have two such groups, handy scapegoats, and another in the wings should they misbehave. If all else fails, he could always turn on his supporters, whatever would grant the best advantage. That precedent is established.).

Then the ugliness became more open with the seizure of absolute power, military ambitions were stripped bare and war ensued, along with the systematic removal of people who disagreed with him or who were considered disloyal or who were members of scapegoat groups.

Schoolchildren were indoctrinated in the catechism of the State, and knew of nothing wrong unless they knew someone who got the knock on the door in the middle of the night, had a relative who dissented, or ended up as a high school girl 'manning' an 88 mm antiaircraft gun. They were so thoroughly indoctrinated by the end of the war that mere 'kids' of 13 and 14 would not surrender but fought to the death against allied troops. The cult of personality had been rooted that deep by most of a generation of State control.

It would be folly to ignore the economic distress the US currently is in ($20,000,000,000,000.00 in debt), dependent on foreign sources for much of what we consume, high unemployment, inflation masked by cheap foreign products and downsizing of units of food sold, with the poorest of the poor well fed by the onerous burden of taxes on those who are still productive.
It would be silly to ignore the anger, both at illegal immigrants (and the blame for real Americans not having jobs), and at those 'refugees' being brought in who share an ideology with which we are, fundamentally, at war.

Anger, fear, and easily directed animosity all can be whipped to a crescendo in short notice, especially with the media of today, not just technologically, but psychologically adept at goading emotion to the fore, distorting any message, and limiting disclosure, and without the internet or other media (or controlling them), no other narrative would be heard, except in quiet whispers. Other technical advancements since then would have had the agencies of that State waking in pools of nocturnal emissions over newfound ability to track movement, expenditures, income, communications, and behaviour, as well as to eliminate specific targets. No totalitarian state of the past would have enjoyed such control. It would be easier to strip someone of all but their physical assets than ever, to track their movements and seize even those physical assets, to scan crowds for their faces by remote control.
Both candidates have shown support for gun control in the past, and Trump has only recently shown any resistance to that. Where he stands on the issue is not completely clear.

As always, that is the last step.

Under their other layers, both of the major candidates are control freaks. Both have THE solution to the country's problems, and both have the only one. Both stand to make ridiculous fortunes with the ability to invest heavily in situations where they would control the outcome.

We once said that character counts. Neither of them has the appropriate character for the job. Simple as that.

One is pushing the buttons of the 'underclass' to get them to rise against the merchants and the elites, even while being one of the latter.

Another is harnessing the hatred, anger, and angst of the productive masses (or those who desire to be), and focusing that xenophobia on 'undesirables', making that the signature issue, along with a large public works project and renewed employment, and claiming he will restore our nation's prestige in the world, militarily and otherwise.

It isn't just the seed, it's where it lands and takes root.

I get that no one is happy about our options, least of all me, but I don't, from the viewpoint of an original intent Constitutionalist see much difference. Either is toxic to the Republic.

You see it and you get it.

My Opa, who lived exactly what you describe - not only GETS IT - but is busy warning everyone TO GET IT.

There were those who tried to warn the populace the same things we are attempting to warn them about now.  Google the Munich Post.  They valiantly warned the public of the very things that would happen at the hands of the 'Make Germany Great Again' movement, and they were impugned, maligned, hated, ignored, marginalized.  Nearly everyone discounted their warnings, told them they were paranoid.  The Munich Post was eventually destroyed and their editors hung by wire in the streets.  Everything they warned about that the people said could never happen, happened.

And the only reason they predicted what was going to occur, is they researched and listened to what Hitler and his thugs had to say, what they threatened and what their behavior portended.  They were posthumously proven right.

Right now in this country - we have a nation infected with a fatal case of Normalcy Bias, and they will insist on remaining asleep, even beating you in the head to shut up about things, because they not only think it impossible, they do not even want to contemplate the possibility.

But there is nothing new under the sun, and Mussolini's Blackshirts and Hitler's SA and Stalin's NKVD were not the first genocidal thugs in history that wiped out segments of their own population to secure power.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1291 on: October 05, 2016, 08:16:39 pm »
And in addition to @aligncare 's mastery of such bulletproof logic, I am always comforted by his unique gift for edification, consistently bringing out the best in all of us through his pointless and supercilious snark.

People are afraid. They can't believe their good time is at an end. They haven't really planned for it. And they don't know what the future holds but fear it will be bad.

Fear drives the anger.  I've decided to vote another party instead of abstaining and calling it "Intelligent Directed Positive Energy". And keeping with the spirit of that I am voting early and voting often.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1292 on: October 05, 2016, 08:20:39 pm »
No.  Don't want Hillary on the trigger either, so that is a wash.  And I think this "you don't want Trump's finger on the button" argument is ridiculous, because it's not Trump's actual finger on the button.  He can give the orders, but the military must execute it, and I think you are out of your mind if you think senior military officers would follow an order to execute an nuclear strike without an extraordinarily good reason.
It's called the War Powers Act. Failure to carry out a lawful order in time of war? At best, career over. At worst, shot for treason. Because of the nature of strategic response times, Congress will be too busy hauling ass for the nearest hardened hidey-hole to bother to vote on anything, even if they could have mustered a quorum.

As far as 'good reason' goes, with Trump's demonstrated penchant to launch a retaliatory strike before finding out who the enemy is, (Liz Mair's PAC, not Ted or Heidi Cruz), lie about it when the facts come out, and double down, any and I mean ANY act of terrorism might be the justification.
I have outlined such scenarios already on this forum.

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There is no question that Trump shoots off his mouth and says some incredibly stupid things.
Agreed.
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On the other hand, there is no way you can acquire the fortune and success he has had if you truly are that erratic when it actually gets to sitting down and doing real business as opposed to shooting off your mouth.
First, what is he worth and how much of that is tied up as equity in leveraged properties subject to variations in valuation? We really don't know how successful he has been. There is also a question of how much of that success comes from screwing over contractors and investors. Bernie Madoff amassed a fortune, too. It is one thing when you focus on the 'win' against people who have no means to fight. In an era of asymmetrical warfare, though, screwing over a head of state might cost the American People dearly. Causing them to lose face by calling their wife a "fat hog" or "ugly" or some such might not be good policy either. Just think of the cost in lives and dollars exacted by 17 guys with some plane tickets and box cutters, and you might get the picture.
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Oh, going after screennames now!  Wow, well, you kind of surprised me with that one, Joe.  Thought you were actually one of the more reasonable folks here even though we disagreed.  I'd make some comment about you must therefore be the real Joe Frazier if you place such an emphasis on the truthfulness behind screennames, but you know...it's not really worth it anymore.  That's as clear a sign as I'm going to get that you're not really interested in substance.
That really was just in fun. As for a boxer, no, the nickname comes from my days as a volunteer firefighter, long ago and far away.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1293 on: October 05, 2016, 08:28:02 pm »
And in addition to @aligncare 's mastery of such bulletproof logic, I am always comforted by his unique gift for edification, consistently bringing out the best in all of us through his pointless and supercilious snark.

Thanks! As always I'm here to help enlighten NeverTrump rabble, who as everyone knows, are so pitifully misinformed that they stupidly risk two generations of liberal progressive rule, secured by the liberal bench appointed by PRESIDENT HILLARY CLINTON. Thank you third-party loones like Castle, Johnson and the other pipsqueak, whose name escapes me...and, 99 percent of the voting public.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1294 on: October 05, 2016, 08:28:34 pm »


I'm with you on the parallels @Smokin Joe , and I think it *could* happen here; we aren't genetically distinct from the Germans of the inter-war period.  Like you, I used to wonder *how* that could have happened, but then I saw the Democrat party fall into lock-step behind Clinton regardless of what he had done, and I saw the hero-worship afforded to Obama regardless of his clear lack of qualification, and I see the same now offered to Trump in spite of the many qualities, statements, and actions which should disqualify him.  And all three instances are characterized by appeal to fear and envy, and by scapegoating others and creating enemies.  American politics are clearly breaking down, or perhaps *have broken down*, into recrimination rather than competing ideas about governance, and I think it does sow the seeds for the kind of future you are describing.

But I think the major sees those same things also, he just sees that they are far more developed on the left, and that not all of the necessary parallels are in place for an American repeat of that history.  Now if, as the major points out, it has happened on the American left it can surely happen on the American right (or whichever direction we ascribe to Trump's supporters) as well, and I agree with you that we can at least see the leading edge of that tendency in some aspects of Trump's campaign.  You're also right that it's the kind of thing we should resist and defeat before it takes root, not after.  But if it hasn't yet taken root, then clearly it's not yet the full grown plant, and I think that is the major's key point.

I just hope that thinkers here on this site who have displayed a lot of insight and critical thought, and I put you and the major in that category, won't fall out with each other when it doesn't seem necessary.  However this election turns out we'll need fellows like both of you helping us find a way forward.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1295 on: October 05, 2016, 08:30:14 pm »
You're forgetting one indisputable fact about Donald Trump: he is a patriot who values America above globalization and multiculturalism - something that I used to believe was a republican value, out of place here at TBR.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/25/before-the-brexit-donald-trump-was-a-transnationalist-who-wanted-to-leave-borders-behind/

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1296 on: October 05, 2016, 08:35:13 pm »
Thanks! As always I'm here to help enlighten NeverTrump rabble, who as everyone knows, are so pitifully misinformed that they stupidly risk two generations of liberal progressive rule, secured by the liberal bench appointed by PRESIDENT HILLARY CLINTON. Thank you third-party loones like Castle, Johnson and the other pipsqueak, whose name escapes me...and, 99 percent of the voting public.

"Thanks AC", I knew I could count on you.  No wonder you're such a strong pro-Trump man, you're just as easily baited as he.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1297 on: October 05, 2016, 08:37:47 pm »
"Thanks AC", I knew I could count on you.  No wonder you're such a strong pro-Trump man, you're just as easily baited as he.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1298 on: October 05, 2016, 08:41:31 pm »
Thanks! As always I'm here to help enlighten NeverTrump rabble, who as everyone knows, are so pitifully misinformed that they stupidly risk two generations of liberal progressive rule, secured by the liberal bench appointed by PRESIDENT HILLARY CLINTON. Thank you third-party loones like Castle, Johnson and the other pipsqueak, whose name escapes me...and, 99 percent of the voting public.

You really bring out the positive in me. I am POSITIVE if you were running for POTUS trillions of sentient beings universe wide would be leaving this universe by any means at hand, tentacle, appendage,  protuberance...   :silly:
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1299 on: October 05, 2016, 08:42:58 pm »
"Thanks AC", I knew I could count on you.  No wonder you're such a strong pro-Trump man, you're just as easily baited as he.

Careful @HoustonSam, you're liable to start some 3:00 a.m. twitter rant, 5 days from now, about some beauty pageant contestant.
They may tell us to watch porn.

Dang, sometimes his supporters make this so easy!