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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1200 on: October 05, 2016, 02:37:24 am »
Yes it's the dreaded NY Times and they Love Hillary...

If you're unable to navigate a financial statement and have to rely on the NY Slimes for your talking points...that's not my problem :shrug:

I'm not going to fact check some reporter from a liberal rag, or engage in a pointless debate about the value of the Trump brand.

Suffice it to say that Trump is very wealthy, his businesses are well run and he is not in 'thrall' to global banks or Saudi princes.


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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1201 on: October 05, 2016, 02:42:00 am »
If you're unable to navigate a financial statement and have to rely on the NY Slimes for your talking points...that's not my problem :shrug:

I'm not going to fact check some reporter from a liberal rag, or engage in a pointless debate about the value of the Trump brand.

Suffice it to say that Trump is very wealthy, his businesses are well run and he is not in 'thrall' to global banks or Saudi princes.

Trump is in hock to the tune of $630 million at interest rates in the double digits. 

Why in the double digits? Because he's a terrible credit risk.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1202 on: October 05, 2016, 02:56:56 am »
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1203 on: October 05, 2016, 03:18:10 am »
@Smokin Joe

I was raised in a family atmosphere that ain't none too fond of the fedgov. My dad was a mountain man reincarnated druid priest. He may have passed on some skills. And I have an uncle on my mom's side that is priceless. Some folks bought a piece of land behind another parcel and those people reneged on the grandfather clause letting a throughway. So my uncle got his Cat and pushed them out a road through BLM ground. That got them froggy. Told him he couldn't do that. They didn't pursue it. It wasn't his first road e o. My great  aunt had my other uncle get her a piece of venison one July. Bragged about what a nice young man he was in church. The F&G showed up. Was gonna arrest her for poaching. She called my uncle. And he called his brother. They come along and suggested that fish cop leave. He got a little froggy. They explained that that old lady had lived her whole life there and that was her way of life. If she wanted venison any time of year she was going to have it. He didn't pursue it. I have more but, you know. If you needed something the public land could provide--then provide. Screw 'em.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1204 on: October 05, 2016, 03:32:18 am »
@Smokin Joe

I was raised in a family atmosphere that ain't none too fond of the fedgov. My dad was a mountain man reincarnated druid priest. He may have passed on some skills. And I have an uncle on my mom's side that is priceless. Some folks bought a piece of land behind another parcel and those people reneged on the grandfather clause letting a throughway. So my uncle got his Cat and pushed them out a road through BLM ground. That got them froggy. Told him he couldn't do that. They didn't pursue it. It wasn't his first road e o. My great  aunt had my other uncle get her a piece of venison one July. Bragged about what a nice young man he was in church. The F&G showed up. Was gonna arrest her for poaching. She called my uncle. And he called his brother. They come along and suggested that fish cop leave. He got a little froggy. They explained that that old lady had lived her whole life there and that was her way of life. If she wanted venison any time of year she was going to have it. He didn't pursue it. I have more but, you know. If you needed something the public land could provide--then provide. Screw 'em.
We managed game just fine. They got thin, we backed off, they got too thick, we thinned 'em out. None of it went to waste. We knew enough poor folks to pass some around. "Do you know anyone who might want some....? We have some extra. " always got a positive response, and was always worded in such a way as to preserve dignity.

When I was working out near the West VA border in VA many years ago, I was hobnobbin' with the local folk who reminded me of watermen I grew up around, only with mountains instead of rivers. We were discussing the virtues of a Ruger .357 and talking about game wardens, and I was informed they had had a few of those 'college boys' who wanted to arrest people for just feeding their families. Mountain terrain is funny stuff, and the weather can change quick...., I was told a couple of those fellows went out one day and plumb disappeared. No one ever found a trace of 'em. They got a new game warden, now, a local fellow (just then a rifle fired up on the ridge). "That's likely to be him, getting one for the larder." I just smiled.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1205 on: October 05, 2016, 04:26:44 am »
Analogies to Weimar Germany don't fit the U.S.. Maybe in 20-30 years, who knows.  But we're not close to that yet.

Only because you don't want to see it.

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Change Socialist and Trade Unionist for No -Trumps and constitutionalist and it would be very up to date. And even you must admit there are even on this board one or two that would relish being in the 'came for No-Trump' group and an even larger number that would stand by and let it happen if it mean they keep a job.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1206 on: October 05, 2016, 01:39:00 pm »
Only because you don't want to see it.

Show me a hundred thousand brownshirts massing, threatening violence, and engaging in organized disruptions of other political parties. 

Okay, ten thousand.

A thousand?

Uh, fifty?

A dozen

I mean, I can go online and watch old videos of massive Nazi Party rallies.  Surely, in this age of cell phone videos and the internet, I should be able to see these violence-fueled Trump supporters massing in paramilitary units and intimidating peaceful citizens.  Heck, I can see violent rallies and rioting by BLM members, who presumably far fewer in numbers than the massive number of proto-fascist Trump supporters who are going to send the rest of us to the ovens.

So where are they?  Where is the paramilitary organization?  The pattern of violent disruption of opposition political rallies (again, we can see that from the left....)  Where is the evidence that what you're talking about is anything more than blowing wildly out of proportion the braggadocious stupidity of a few keyboard commandos?

Maybe the reason I'm not seeing it is because this melodramatic hand-wringing is without any rational basis in fact.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1207 on: October 05, 2016, 02:01:04 pm »
If you're unable to navigate a financial statement and have to rely on the NY Slimes for your talking points...that's not my problem :shrug:

I'm not going to fact check some reporter from a liberal rag, or engage in a pointless debate about the value of the Trump brand.

Suffice it to say that Trump is very wealthy, his businesses are well run and he is not in 'thrall' to global banks or Saudi princes.

I'm sorry to keep correcting you, but you totally miss the point of being "here."

You see "here" you get to make up any old crap you want! That's the beauty of the Internet Political Forum. Everybody is an expert on everything! From the cowpoke to the homemaker to the barista, they're all political and financial and foreign policy geniuses!

Listen, know your place – fabricate some outrageous and insulting lie about Trump, then you'll get along just fine "here."

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1208 on: October 05, 2016, 02:07:56 pm »
I'm sorry to keep correcting you, but you totally miss the point of being "here."

You see "here" you get to make up any old crap you want! That's the beauty of the Internet Political Forum. Everybody is an expert on everything! From the cowpoke to the homemaker to the barista, they're all political and financial and foreign policy geniuses!

Listen, know your place – fabricate some outrageous and insulting lie about Trump, then you'll get along just fine "here."
Nice. You just implied everyone on the forum not in the bag for Trump is a liar. Kiss my ass, jerk. Now go whine to the moderators, I dare you!
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1209 on: October 05, 2016, 02:28:24 pm »
Show me a hundred thousand brownshirts massing, threatening violence, and engaging in organized disruptions of other political parties. 

Okay, ten thousand.

A thousand?

Uh, fifty?

A dozen

I mean, I can go online and watch old videos of massive Nazi Party rallies.  Surely, in this age of cell phone videos and the internet, I should be able to see these violence-fueled Trump supporters massing in paramilitary units and intimidating peaceful citizens.  Heck, I can see violent rallies and rioting by BLM members, who presumably far fewer in numbers than the massive number of proto-fascist Trump supporters who are going to send the rest of us to the ovens.

So where are they?  Where is the paramilitary organization?  The pattern of violent disruption of opposition political rallies (again, we can see that from the left....)  Where is the evidence that what you're talking about is anything more than blowing wildly out of proportion the braggadocious stupidity of a few keyboard commandos?

Maybe the reason I'm not seeing it is because this melodramatic hand-wringing is without any rational basis in fact.


The people here are as mentally ill as Glenn Beck.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1210 on: October 05, 2016, 02:29:17 pm »
I'm sorry to keep correcting you, but you totally miss the point of being "here."

You see "here" you get to make up any old crap you want! That's the beauty of the Internet Political Forum. Everybody is an expert on everything! From the cowpoke to the homemaker to the barista, they're all political and financial and foreign policy geniuses!

Listen, know your place – fabricate some outrageous and insulting lie about Trump, then you'll get along just fine "here."

Good to know that we have an actual "authority" in here on Donny Chump!  I'm surprised he hasn't asked you to replace Kellyanne Conway!
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1211 on: October 05, 2016, 02:31:44 pm »

The people here are as mentally ill as Glenn Beck.

There does seem to be a perspective issue among some here that is concerning. The pendulum can swing too far the other way.


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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1212 on: October 05, 2016, 02:33:56 pm »

The people here are as mentally ill as Glenn Beck.
Are you a "people"? You're here... :tongue2:
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1213 on: October 05, 2016, 02:37:13 pm »
Are you a "people"? You're here... :tongue2:


Besides me.  :whistle:


Comparing someone to Hitler who isn't Hitler is a kooky thing to do. Trump is a buffoon, not HItler.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1214 on: October 05, 2016, 02:38:46 pm »

Besides me.
Mmmmmm hmmmm Rules for thee, but not for me?  :silly:
Now, where have I heard that before? :pondering:

Hitler was just a buffoon with a following. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1215 on: October 05, 2016, 02:41:25 pm »
There does seem to be a perspective issue among some here that is concerning. The pendulum can swing too far the other way.

I guess that's what I find so frustrating/astonishing.  There are reasonable arguments against voting for Trump.  So I don't understand why some of those folks feel the need to go so wildly over the top by trying to turn a poorly organized, half-assed populist movement that is crumbling before our eyes into the second coming of the Third Reich.  Trump isn't Hitler, and the U.S. isn't the Weimar Republic.  It makes them seem like they're not living in reality, which discredits their POV.

I know, the response from some of the NeverTrump people is "they started it!", or "do you here the crazy stuff some of those Trumpturds say?!"  But the NeverTrump people are supposed to be the civilized, sober, and rational ones.  The whole basis of their opposition is "we're better/smarter than that."

Well damn, then start acting like it.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1216 on: October 05, 2016, 02:44:48 pm »
Mmmmmm hmmmm Rules for thee, but not for me?  :silly:
Now, where have I heard that before? :pondering:

Hitler was just a buffoon with a following. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.


You mean like #NeverTrump, or AlwaysTrump, or maybeTrump, or liberals, or democrats, or conservatives, or republicans?

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1217 on: October 05, 2016, 02:50:43 pm »
I guess that's what I find so frustrating/astonishing.  There are reasonable arguments against voting for Trump.  So I don't understand why some of those folks feel the need to go so wildly over the top by trying to turn a poorly organized, half-assed populist movement that is crumbling before our eyes into the second coming of the Third Reich.  Trump isn't Hitler, and the U.S. isn't the Weimar Republic.  It makes them seem like they're not living in reality, which discredits their POV.

@Maj. Bill Martin

Well stated :beer:

There is plenty of reasons for conservatives to not vote for Trump. But some of the statements have been over the top. "Hunting us down with dogs" was one of my favorites...lol

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1218 on: October 05, 2016, 02:55:44 pm »
I guess that's what I find so frustrating/astonishing.  There are reasonable arguments against voting for Trump.  So I don't understand why some of those folks feel the need to go so wildly over the top by trying to turn a poorly organized, half-assed populist movement that is crumbling before our eyes into the second coming of the Third Reich.  Trump isn't Hitler, and the U.S. isn't the Weimar Republic.  It makes them seem like they're not living in reality, which discredits their POV.

I know, the response from some of the NeverTrump people is "they started it!", or "do you here the crazy stuff some of those Trumpturds say?!"  But the NeverTrump people are supposed to be the civilized, sober, and rational ones.  The whole basis of their opposition is "we're better/smarter than that."

Well damn, then start acting like it.
Let's put it this way. The comparisons have been done, and the fact has been pointed out that the essential elements in the rise to power of such dictators are a willing dictator and a willing populace. There have been some serious indications that the candidate neither knows nor cares about the governing Supreme Law of the nation, and that contempt is cause for concern that he might not follow it. Ordinarily, not only would that candidate have failed to progress to the nomination, but would have been out early. Add to that, however, a vocal, angry, cult of personality, one which advocates ignoring rules to 'get things done', whose members often promise vengeance against those who do not support it, and suddenly that person becomes more dangerous than they would ever have been in more ordinary times, with such assertions as they could gun people down on 5th Avenue and his supporters would not care or would applaud the act.

It is the confluence of a significant number of people bearing such attitudes and the right personality to rally that which made some of the worst despots of the last century. Yes, many of the warning signs are present, though that is no guarantee of results.

Noticing those warning signs is possibly sufficient, along with some other differences, to ward off such an outcome. Hardly hyperbolic, any more than a sign which says serious injury or death may result from...stuck to the side of a ladder or hair dryer.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1219 on: October 05, 2016, 02:56:46 pm »

Never underestimate the power of hate...for DONALD J TRUMP!   888high58888
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« Reply #1220 on: October 05, 2016, 02:59:51 pm »
Never underestimate the power of hate...for DONAL J TRUMP!   888high58888
Your tagline reminds me that the guys still in caves on Iwo weren't home in Hiroshima or Nagasaki for the fireworks.


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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1221 on: October 05, 2016, 03:13:47 pm »
I guess that's what I find so frustrating/astonishing.  There are reasonable arguments against voting for Trump.  So I don't understand why some of those folks feel the need to go so wildly over the top by trying to turn a poorly organized, half-assed populist movement that is crumbling before our eyes into the second coming of the Third Reich.  Trump isn't Hitler, and the U.S. isn't the Weimar Republic.  It makes them seem like they're not living in reality, which discredits their POV.

I know, the response from some of the NeverTrump people is "they started it!", or "do you here the crazy stuff some of those Trumpturds say?!"  But the NeverTrump people are supposed to be the civilized, sober, and rational ones.  The whole basis of their opposition is "we're better/smarter than that."

Well damn, then start acting like it.


As a #NeverTrump, it's not that Trump is Hitler, it is the fact that he possesses many characteristics that Hitler did.  There is no denying that like Hitler, Trump is a narcissist.  There is no denying that like Hilter, Trump is a demagogue.  There is no denying that Hitler and Trump have demonstrated psychopathic and sociopath personalities. There have been numerous comparisons done and articles written with the latest from the Guardian entitled "The New Furor".  Unfortunately, Trump supporters (and I am judging by observation) have acquired his bombastic, 'holier than thou' personna.  They seem to forget and perhaps don't care what exactly is at stake. 

Either way, with Clinton or Trump we lose.  Hope and pray that we keep the Senate.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/oct/03/hitler-speeches-published-with-donald-trump-as-cover-illustration

http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-edition-of-hitler-speeches-book-slaps-trump-on-cover/

http://www.thewrap.com/trump-hitler-roundup-heres-whos-compared-donald-trump-to-hitler-this-weekend/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3753399/Donald-Trump-psychopathic-traits-Adolf-Hitler-Hillary-Clinton-shows-machiavellian-egocentricity-Scientists-conclude-presidential-candidates-psychopaths-claim-good-thing.html
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1222 on: October 05, 2016, 03:17:34 pm »
I'm sorry to keep correcting you, but you totally miss the point of being "here."

You see "here" you get to make up any old crap you want! That's the beauty of the Internet Political Forum. Everybody is an expert on everything! From the cowpoke to the homemaker to the barista, they're all political and financial and foreign policy geniuses!

Listen, know your place – fabricate some outrageous and insulting lie about Trump, then you'll get along just fine "here."

Gotta be one of two things going on with you, @aligncare .  Either you're a glutton for punishment or you're a troll.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1223 on: October 05, 2016, 03:31:26 pm »
Gotta be one of two things going on with you, @aligncare .  Either you're a glutton for punishment or you're a troll.

Try to cut A/C some slack.  He's been a poster in this forum for quite awhile and at one point in time he actually demonstrated some logic, made some very good points and had some decent posts.  'Trumpism' you know, does very strange things to people.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1224 on: October 05, 2016, 03:42:17 pm »
Let's put it this way. The comparisons have been done, and the fact has been pointed out that the essential elements in the rise to power of such dictators are a willing dictator and a willing populace.

You also need a willing military and no other strong institutions.  Nor is there any evidence that the "willing populace" actually exists.  Again, true fascists develop pseudo-military organizations that actively use violence to eliminate rivals.  They have organized street gangs, often uniformed, and sufficient goon lieutenants to serves as sub-commanders and willing leaders.

Trump has none of that.  There is zero evidence of actual street level gangs or violence on anything other than a negligible scale.  Rather than pointing to actual violence, or anything remotely resembling something like the Sturmabteilung, you're pointing to ridiculous threats made by keyboard commandos in their basements.   KellyAnne Conway is not Ernst Roehm.  Sean Hannity is not Joseph Goebbels.  Mike Pence is not Heinrich Himmler. 

If you really want to be honest about this, the only demonstrated potential for such a movement lies on the left.  There, we actually do have large street gangs using physical intimidation to suppress rivals.  There is BLM, and radical Latino gangs/movements on the West Coast.  There are SJW actually growing violent, shutting down attempts by conservatives to speak, and in many cases physically assaulting political opponents -- including Trump supporters -- with whom they disagree.  Do I need to post those videos?

There is your real threat of fascism.  Not just threats, but actual violence to back up those threats.  Political opponents beaten up, law enforcement officers [/I]murdered.[/I]  And those groups have an actual ally running for office.  They'll have control of the Justice Department, which may well turn an institutional blind eye to acts of voter intimidation and violence by the left.  You'll have a leftist dominated federal court system that will likely give them comparatively free rein as long as they can make anything other than a laugh out loud argument.  All of this is real.

Why aren't you concerned and posting about that?  Objectively, there is your true, real threat of fascism, and it's not even that far away.  It is an infinitely more credible and realistic threat than some clown making a stupid remark about dogs.  The leftist thugs are real, and active.

When someone asks how it was that we let actual fascists come to power, I guess you can at least say "well, it's better than having a guy who was in a porn video.

@Smokin Joe , if you are truly concerned about fascism in this country, and aren't just using that as a cheap political argument against Trump, then you are currently aiming your fire in the wrong direction.