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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1125 on: October 03, 2016, 02:28:10 pm »
Arguments like the Supreme Court should be judged on their own merits, not on whether or not the person making the argument is a hypocrite.

There are a ton of us who didn't support him in the primary who are stuck with him as the nominee because of those who did, and we're no more responsible for him being the nominee than are the NeverTrumps.  So for those of us in that particular subgroup who have decided to vote for him, it's not disingenuous for us to being up things like the Supreme Court.


You're too rational for a political web forum man. This is taking years off your life. Trump is either the second coming of Christ or a demagog ten thousand times more evil than Hitler and Stalin combined. There's no middle ground (according to the loony toons who post here).


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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1126 on: October 03, 2016, 02:35:54 pm »

You're too rational for a political web forum man. This is taking years off your life. Trump is either the second coming of Christ or a demagog ten thousand times more evil than Hitler and Stalin combined. There's no middle ground (according to the loony toons who post here).


I like welding, I wonder if you find these types of loons in those forums? :)

Don't know about welding, but you do find them in basketball forums, which is the only other forum I frequent.

Use to frequent a forum about a very popular show on HBO, but those folks went way over the edge....

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1127 on: October 03, 2016, 02:42:49 pm »
Arguments like the Supreme Court should be judged on their own merits, not on whether or not the person making the argument is a hypocrite.

There are a ton of us who didn't support him in the primary who are stuck with him as the nominee because of those who did, and we're no more responsible for him being the nominee than are the NeverTrumps.  So for those of us in that particular subgroup who have decided to vote for him, it's not disingenuous for us to being up things like the Supreme Court.

Bingo. You have summed up the situation correctly. We cannot change the past but we can screw up the future by acting as if we can change the past (or just having a hissy fit because we don't like what already happened).

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1128 on: October 03, 2016, 02:45:10 pm »
Trump is a disgrace.  He's a skilled con-man who is very good at telling people what they want to hear; for the past year now, he's done just that, and it's unfortunate that so many have lapped it up and bought into it.  For myself, I still find it nothing short of stunning that they can't see through him, or that they think he has actually changed.

You admitted you were wrong about Cruz, so what makes you so sure Trump isn't sincere?

There's nothing about politics he couldn't get elsewhere, that's for sure.

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« Reply #1129 on: October 03, 2016, 02:56:59 pm »
You admitted you were wrong about Cruz, so what makes you so sure Trump isn't sincere?

His documented history of flip flopping that Romney and Kerry find enviable.

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« Reply #1130 on: October 03, 2016, 03:34:38 pm »
You admitted you were wrong about Cruz, so what makes you so sure Trump isn't sincere?

There's nothing about politics he couldn't get elsewhere, that's for sure.

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I believe Cruz is basically a principled Christian man, but I no longer believe he's been unaffected by his time in Washington.  I think that's a good lesson for me--or a reminder---regarding human nature.

Trump's sleaziness and pathological lying have been a constant since he first became known, and they've kept up, unchanging, during the last year and few odd months of his campaign.  I haven't seen a thing to indicate he's sincere.  He routinely contradicts himself and allows his progressive flag out to fly before his handlers pull it back in.  Much of his agenda and his promises are progressive in nature. 

I disagree with you about what he's getting from politics.  The one thing his enormous ego can receive that he can't get elsewhere is adulation on a mass scale.  He thrives on it.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1131 on: October 03, 2016, 03:45:33 pm »
You admitted you were wrong about Cruz, so what makes you so sure Trump isn't sincere?

There's nothing about politics he couldn't get elsewhere, that's for sure.

What does Cruz have to do with Trump's history?  Other than: "if I make Cruz look bad then maybe Trump won't look so bad".

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« Reply #1132 on: October 03, 2016, 05:22:06 pm »
What does Cruz have to do with Trump's history?  Other than: "if I make Cruz look bad then maybe Trump won't look so bad".

It's all part of the "Lyin' Ted" meme that the Trump folks can't let go of.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1133 on: October 03, 2016, 05:57:26 pm »
So for those of us in that particular subgroup who have decided to vote for him, it's not disingenuous for us to being up things like the Supreme Court.

You can bring up the Supreme Court all you want, it still won't make sense that you'd expect a liberal to appoint a conservative.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1134 on: October 03, 2016, 05:59:00 pm »
You can bring up the Supreme Court all you want, it still won't make sense that you'd expect a liberal to appoint a conservative.

I'm not re-arguing the point.  I'm saying only that the arguments should be judged on their merits, not on who is making them.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1135 on: October 03, 2016, 06:02:11 pm »
Anyone who promises that all of your dreams for your country will come true if you elect them should be locked up in a nuthouse.

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I'm not re-arguing the point.  I'm saying only that the arguments should be judged on their merits, not on who is making them.


Trump is a liberal who surrounds himself with sycophants, he is not going to nominate a conservative Supreme Court who disagrees with him on so many, many issues.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1136 on: October 03, 2016, 08:38:37 pm »

Trump's sleaziness and pathological lying have been a constant since he first became known, and they've kept up, unchanging, during the last year and few odd months of his campaign.  I haven't seen a thing to indicate he's sincere.  He routinely contradicts himself and allows his progressive flag out to fly before his handlers pull it back in.  Much of his agenda and his promises are progressive in nature. 


 



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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1137 on: October 03, 2016, 11:08:56 pm »

If that's your regular doctor, bite the bullet and go for a pro. You get what you pay for, and Lucy isn't even a dime store shrink.
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« Reply #1138 on: October 04, 2016, 07:30:52 am »


Disgusting post, alluding Cat needs psychiatric help.  She is posting the truth, while you prove you are a low life.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1139 on: October 04, 2016, 08:37:37 am »

Direct link: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/22/business/opinion-donald-trump-europe/
Trump: Europe is terrific place for investment
By Donald Trump, special to CNN
updated 8:24 AM EST, Tue January 22, 2013


(Direct quote...)

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My concern is that the negligence of a few will adversely affect the majority. I've long been a believer in the "look at the solution, not the problem" theory. In this case, the solution is clear. We will have to leave borders behind and go for global unity when it comes to financial stability.

Better save your nickel...
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1140 on: October 04, 2016, 10:19:15 am »
You can bring up the Supreme Court all you want, it still won't make sense that you'd expect a liberal to appoint a conservative.


Go right ahead and keep telling yourself Trump will appoint activist liberals, meanwhile in the real world.

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Steven Colloton

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Allison Eid

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Thomas Hardiman

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Raymond Kethledge

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Joan Larsen

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Thomas Lee

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David Stras

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Diane Sykes

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1141 on: October 04, 2016, 10:34:47 am »
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1142 on: October 04, 2016, 11:11:54 am »
The list is meaningless and we all know it.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1143 on: October 04, 2016, 12:16:36 pm »
The list is meaningless and we all know it.

Thankfully, so are the people posting it.

Maybe I should Laz it and post a list of beautiful women while claiming that they all want to sleep with me. The odds are that it would be closer to happening than a lifetime liberal appointing conservative anything.

Of course with my Clarke Gable looks and Greek God physique, who could blame them? ;)

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1144 on: October 04, 2016, 01:04:00 pm »
Better save your nickel...

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Not sure what you were hoping to accomplish by posting a snippet of an article that demonstrates Trump's depth of knowledge,  of global economic issues and his business prowess on the world stage ...but thanks.

More Trump:

You ask about Europe in crisis as an opportunity for investment. I see the world in crisis at the moment. I'm a firm believer that there are always opportunities whether the markets or up or down, but it requires insight and sometimes creativity to see those opportunities. I have no doubt that the balance we need will be achieved, but it won't happen overnight.

Europe is a tapestry that is dense, colorful and deserving of continued longevity and prosperity. There are many pieces that must be carefully fitted together in order to thrive.

Our challenge is to acknowledge those pieces and to see how they can form a whole that works together well without losing any cultural flavor in the process. It's a combination of preservation along with forward thinking.

The future of Europe, as well as the United States, depends on a cohesive global economy. All of us must work toward together toward that very significant common goal.




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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1145 on: October 04, 2016, 01:25:10 pm »
@Smokin Joe

Not sure what you were hoping to accomplish by posting a snippet of an article that demonstrates Trump's depth of knowledge,  of global economic issues and his business prowess on the world stage ...but thanks.

More Trump:

You ask about Europe in crisis as an opportunity for investment. I see the world in crisis at the moment. I'm a firm believer that there are always opportunities whether the markets or up or down, but it requires insight and sometimes creativity to see those opportunities. I have no doubt that the balance we need will be achieved, but it won't happen overnight.

Europe is a tapestry that is dense, colorful and deserving of continued longevity and prosperity. There are many pieces that must be carefully fitted together in order to thrive.

Our challenge is to acknowledge those pieces and to see how they can form a whole that works together well without losing any cultural flavor in the process. It's a combination of preservation along with forward thinking.

The future of Europe, as well as the United States, depends on a cohesive global economy. All of us must work toward together toward that very significant common goal.

Just pointing out your boy is a globalist, in thrall to globalist bankers and foreign business partners.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1146 on: October 04, 2016, 02:08:34 pm »
The list is meaningless and we all know it.

See you have no rational argument.

All you can do, when I post some very good reasons to vote Trump, is stamp your feet and say "I don't believe it". Well do you believe Hillary when she says he will grant amnesty to millions of illegals in her first 100 days? Do you believe Hillary when she says she will bring in a 100,000 rapefugees a year for years and years? Do you believe Hillary when she says she will raise our taxes? What kind of judges do you think Hillary will appoint? Pretend all you want but know this President Hillary will kill the Republic. By voting anyone but Trump you are helping to kill the republic.

And just how are you ever going to elect a conservative nationally once those tens of millions of new Marxist voter start voting? I'd really like to hear the #NeverTrump answer to that question.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1147 on: October 04, 2016, 02:41:20 pm »
You can bring up the Supreme Court all you want, it still won't make sense that you'd expect a liberal to appoint a conservative.

Trump and Pence and their campaign gave Cruz a list of 21 people who he was promised a justice would be selected from.  Cruz isn't stupid and he knows not to trust Trump; that is why he's made his decision and the 'list' so public.  The public now knows that IF Trump is elected he promised one of the justices to be on the list.  Doesn't mean it's going to happen and it certainly doesn't mean that Trump will even be our POTUS.  Cruz held out for something positive (if only a very slim positive) for the GOP to hold on to; a reason for the GOP electorate to vote for the candidate that is the very unpopular GOP nominee.  The RNC screwed us with a corrupt convention.  Cruz at least got a promise; pehaps a hollow promise, but what has anyone else done for us??
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #1148 on: October 04, 2016, 02:41:33 pm »
Just pointing out your boy is a globalist, in thrall to globalist bankers and foreign business partners.

Trump understands the globalist world and mindset and uses that knowledge to his advantage.

That doesn't make him a globalist by any objective standard.  :nono:

...and if anyone is 'in thrall' to the wealth and influence of big bankers and foreign business its the Clintons.

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« Reply #1149 on: October 04, 2016, 03:29:53 pm »
Trump understands the globalist world and mindset and uses that knowledge to his advantage.

That doesn't make him a globalist by any objective standard.  :nono:

...and if anyone is 'in thrall' to the wealth and influence of big bankers and foreign business its the Clintons.
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Hint: They are both Globalists, they're both in thrall to the bankers, they both have business in Muslim countries.
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