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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #825 on: September 26, 2016, 07:09:45 pm »
Purely conjecture on my part but it is based on having seen how the game is played from the inside out myself.

I suspect the conversations went somewhat along the lines of "You are going to be running for your Senate seat again soon aren't you?  Well if you want to see the kind of money then that you saw from us last time we would strongly suggest that you need to ..."

Yeah, I've seen similar comments (in jest) mafia-style...."It would be a shame if something happened to that Senate run of yours"....lol.   Who knows.  Maybe all of the above and then some.  Bottom line, he's voting HIS conscience.  It's just that....his mind and conscience has changed.  We may never know exactly why that occurred....but I'm betting he will 'wish' that he had waited a while to announce that change.  With Trump's history of stabbing his most recent converts in the back (See: Trump makes a fool of Ann Coulter and her "In Trump We Trust" meme).....

I'm fully expecting yet another stab....this time aimed at Cruz.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #826 on: September 26, 2016, 07:14:38 pm »
Purely conjecture on my part but it is based on having seen how the game is played from the inside out myself.

I suspect the conversations went somewhat along the lines of "You are going to be running for your Senate seat again soon aren't you?  Well if you want to see the kind of money then that you saw from us last time we would strongly suggest that you need to ..."

I have heard that Ted C still has $20 million in his campaign funds. He probably doesn't need more to win re-election.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #827 on: September 26, 2016, 07:39:09 pm »
I have heard that Ted C still has $20 million in his campaign funds. He probably doesn't need more to win re-election.

Open Secrets dot org says he has about $500,000, with $360,000 remaining in debt.  That's as of 8/31/16.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #828 on: September 26, 2016, 08:02:22 pm »
It's simple for me.  Trump lies habitually and he hasn't the first clue about conservative principles. 


More than that: In his natural state (when he is not pressured or trying to influence people), he reverts to the liberalism he grew up in. His thinking is toward big government liberalism. If he is asked to fix something he will always be thinking in those terms, and as such, his solutions will more than tend to reflect that.

Go back through his comments over the last decades, when he was not under pressure - When he was 'enlightening' us all with his 'superior' abilities (in 'multi-dimensional chess') - His commentary in such circumstances invariably lean heavily to chunked-and-formed liberal Democrat stock.

It doesn't matter to me, nor does it even figure into my calculations - The single determinant factor for me is his low character and lack of trustworthiness. I don't need to advance the case to matters of philosophy. But for those that do, There it is.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #829 on: September 26, 2016, 08:14:12 pm »
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While this statement was directed to another poster, I will tell you that I read plenty of books.  And I'd like to suggest one to you -- Under the Axe of Fascism -- written by an economist who lived under Mussolini and escaped to become a professor at Harvard: Gaetano Salvemini.  In it, you can see how Mussolini tried out the policies that Mr. Trump loves so much.  And you can see why those of us who do know history have fought so bitterly to try to prevent a repeat here in America.

Thank you for the recommendation.  I love to slog through such books.  It is very difficult for me, but I do find that I learn a lot.  I have added it to my Amazon wish list!

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #830 on: September 26, 2016, 08:32:47 pm »
Principles are immovable and unchangeable, despite what unprincipled zealots insist.  That so many believe principles can be compromised for the sake of the 'better good' explains how it is that the Constitution itself has been eroded to the point of irrelevance and how we lost the Republic to whatever this Statist mobocracy is that we now exist under.

BRAVO! And in that, that so many believe that principles can be compromised explains perfectly how uninformed those exact people are with regard to Conservatism. Principle things are inherently and explicitly TRUE - So in every way, what they defend is the proposition that truth can and should be compromised... The error of which is evident upon it's face.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #831 on: September 26, 2016, 08:35:19 pm »
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #832 on: September 26, 2016, 08:41:01 pm »
Even this cat doesn't like Trump:

That's actually spooky. Critters see things we don't...

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #833 on: September 26, 2016, 08:43:49 pm »
Trump qualifications for POTUS:

Natural born citizen
At least 35 years of age
Inhabitant of the US for at least 14 years

Yup. He qualifies.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #834 on: September 26, 2016, 08:49:01 pm »
Sadly, I think he could have gathered contributions from all over the country to cover that had he stick to his guns. But I wouldn't put it past the GOPe to threaten to fund a primary challenger, either.

Has everyone forgotten that Trump himself vowed to make sure that Cruz didn't retain his Senate seat?  He stated that about both Cruz and Kasich.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #835 on: September 26, 2016, 09:09:37 pm »
Trump qualifications for POTUS:

Natural born citizen
At least 35 years of age
Inhabitant of the US for at least 14 years

Yup. He qualifies.

I can't argue with that, Poser.  Those are exactly the qualifications outlined in the Constitution.  What a lot of people call "qualifications" are simply their own personal criteria for deciding a vote.  Let's keep the language clear.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #836 on: September 26, 2016, 09:10:43 pm »
Has everyone forgotten that Trump himself vowed to make sure that Cruz didn't retain his Senate seat?  He stated that about both Cruz and Kasich.

That's just "Lyin' Don" again. 
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #837 on: September 26, 2016, 09:19:20 pm »
Pro aborts? What warm, dark orifice did you pull that out of? If you are calling the people on that list "pro-aborts", yes perhaps moderator intervention is called for. Against you.
Abortion has always been the red herring of phony conservatives. They know full well that there is nothing they can do to change the current stance of the federal courts; even pro-life judges must respect the precedent of Roe v. Wade before the Senate will even consider confirming them. Who we elect as President matters little in that regard.

We cannot change anything regarding abortion until our nation collectively recognizes the cold, hard fact that, regardless of semantics, abortion is killing one's own young in the womb. That is undeniable. We're not at that point; if we were, places like Planned Parenthood would already be out of business. Only then will we have a Senate that will confirm judges that will discard this precedent.

Abortion is a red herring used to divide the conservatives from the libertarians, which serves only one good: the furthering of Big Government statism.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #838 on: September 26, 2016, 09:26:00 pm »
Abortion has always been the red herring of phony conservatives. They know full well that there is nothing they can do to change the current stance of the federal courts; even pro-life judges must respect the precedent of Roe v. Wade before the Senate will even consider confirming them. Who we elect as President matters little in that regard.

We cannot change anything regarding abortion until our nation collectively recognizes the cold, hard fact that, regardless of semantics, abortion is killing one's own young in the womb. That is undeniable. We're not at that point; if we were, places like Planned Parenthood would already be out of business. Only then will we have a Senate that will confirm judges that will discard this precedent.

Abortion is a red herring used to divide the conservatives from the libertarians, which serves only one good: the furthering of Big Government statism.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #839 on: September 26, 2016, 09:47:06 pm »
Abortion has always been the red herring of phony conservatives. They know full well that there is nothing they can do to change the current stance of the federal courts; even pro-life judges must respect the precedent of Roe v. Wade before the Senate will even consider confirming them. Who we elect as President matters little in that regard.

We cannot change anything regarding abortion until our nation collectively recognizes the cold, hard fact that, regardless of semantics, abortion is killing one's own young in the womb. That is undeniable. We're not at that point; if we were, places like Planned Parenthood would already be out of business. Only then will we have a Senate that will confirm judges that will discard this precedent.

Abortion is a red herring used to divide the conservatives from the libertarians, which serves only one good: the furthering of Big Government statism.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #840 on: September 26, 2016, 09:58:21 pm »
But the division is the fault of the baby killers, not those who are pro-life.  The fault is also with the libertarians who are fine and dandy with their own life being protected by do not care if an innocent child is protected.  There is no compromise here.  I will never vote for someone who is fine with abortion.  Never.  The right to life of the innocent is fundamental.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #841 on: September 26, 2016, 09:59:47 pm »
Trump qualifications for POTUS:

Natural born citizen
At least 35 years of age
Inhabitant of the US for at least 14 years

Yup. He qualifies.

mental stability should have been in there. :p

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #842 on: September 26, 2016, 10:03:15 pm »
Has everyone forgotten that Trump himself vowed to make sure that Cruz didn't retain his Senate seat?  He stated that about both Cruz and Kasich.
Nope, I haven't forgotten. Trump even said he'd fund a primary challenge.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #843 on: September 26, 2016, 10:08:11 pm »
But the division is the fault of the baby killers, not those who are pro-life.  The fault is also with the libertarians who are fine and dandy with their own life being protected by do not care if an innocent child is protected.  There is no compromise here.  I will never vote for someone who is fine with abortion.  Never.  The right to life of the innocent is fundamental.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #844 on: September 26, 2016, 10:19:38 pm »
Ted Cruz miss your list? Newt Gingrich? Rick Perry? Scott Walker? 2012 Constitution Candidate Virgil Goode? Jerry Falwell Jr.? Clint Eastwood? Donald Rumsfield?

What a joke, thanks for the laughs.

I guess, we should call that kind of a list a list of pro-aborts what Kartographer did if this is tit-for-tat. And I would ask for moderator intervention possibly on K posting this kind of stuff that belies any conservative foundation in my view; and is name calling once again.

Per "sepia shirt" wearing, this is real hate mongering. The usual "lesser of evils" argument wasn't enough.

No-Trumps aren't making list aren't talking about revenge and retribution, aren't asking for people to banned, don't require 'safe places'. What do you call such behavior? Don't bother your tone and the content of your post are enough for anyone to see you for what you are. I was just helping you so you don't miss any 'traitors' when it comes time for the round up and reeducation. I wouldn't want you to miss anyone.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #845 on: September 26, 2016, 10:40:12 pm »
I locked this thread down for a couple hours Saturday because discussion wandered off into who needs to be banned.  I see it's heading there again.  I suggest we knock it off and get back on track.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #846 on: September 26, 2016, 10:52:06 pm »
I was speaking for myself, I did not intend to characterize anyone else.

I look at Cruz's behavior differently - it seems as though he IS acting from principle. The SCOTUS is his thing, and he's trying to do whatever is within his power at this point to see that constitutionalists have a voice on it.

Of course he's running the risk of looking foolish or duplicitous here, given what has gone on before. He is in a very difficult political position.

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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #848 on: September 26, 2016, 11:04:58 pm »
But the division is the fault of the baby killers, not those who are pro-life.  The fault is also with the libertarians who are fine and dandy with their own life being protected by do not care if an innocent child is protected.  There is no compromise here.  I will never vote for someone who is fine with abortion.  Never.  The right to life of the innocent is fundamental.
I understand this. There comes a point, however, where one has to consider the best way to protect those rights and increase our ability to do so. Right now the "cudgel" approach simply outlawing it isn't yet viable.

What we can—and should—do from a government standpoint is defund to the greatest extent possible. Here is where libertarians and conservatives have common ground: libertarians (even those who are "pro-choice") see it as a waste of money, and conservatives see it as a travesty. The courts have next to no authority to allocate federal funds.

I would never support a candidate who makes it part of their platform to explicitly support and subsidize abortion. Believe it or not, there are a few politicians (ahem, Andrew Cuomo) who hold that stance. But if it came down to a big-government statist who passed himself or herself off as "pro-life" and a limited-government libertarian who is more or less indifferent to abortion, I'd be much more inclined to vote for the libertarian—not because I think the life of the young is any less important, but because the numerous problems we have with government that can be fixed through policy changes are better suited to the libertarian's strengths.

The fight for life is going to be a long war. Sadly, we'll lose some along the way while it is fought. However, I would rather set the stage for a total victory than rush into a Pyrrhic one that we ultimately lose for good.
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Re: Cruz: I'm voting for Trump
« Reply #849 on: September 26, 2016, 11:07:48 pm »
Abortion has always been the red herring of phony conservatives. They know full well that there is nothing they can do to change the current stance of the federal courts; even pro-life judges must respect the precedent of Roe v. Wade before the Senate will even consider confirming them. Who we elect as President matters little in that regard.

We cannot change anything regarding abortion until our nation collectively recognizes the cold, hard fact that, regardless of semantics, abortion is killing one's own young in the womb. That is undeniable. We're not at that point; if we were, places like Planned Parenthood would already be out of business. Only then will we have a Senate that will confirm judges that will discard this precedent.

Abortion is a red herring used to divide the conservatives from the libertarians, which serves only one good: the furthering of Big Government statism.

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